Harry Potter bad?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
L

lost1972

Banned
#101
Sep 13, 2012
619
1
0
#101
I have friends who were formally involved, these types of shows and movies are basically gateways to young people, if they knew what real witchcraft was about they would be scared away, its the hook so to speak,
 
tribesman

tribesman

Senior Member
#102
Oct 13, 2011
4,621
281
83
#102
lost1972 said:
the point of the Narnia series was to help explain Christian beliefs to children, Everything in the series goes back to the bible, the idea was some of the concepts were difficult to explain to small children
Click to expand...
Oh, really? Have you gone into the detail of Narnia imagery? What do you know about what C.S. Lewis believed? Might want to do a search engine research on the known heresies he adhered to. Did you know that J.K. Rowling named him as one of her two favorite authors, the other being Jane Austen? How can that be you'd think?

Exposing Narnia <-link
 
Last edited:
RickShafer

RickShafer

Banned
#103
Sep 8, 2012
4,367
59
0
#103
SunnyDucks said:
I don't think he was trying to say that Harry Potter is gospel, rather that it is too much of a contrast to compare Pornography, which demeans the human body and breeds lust, to children's literature that promotes moral values.
Click to expand...
Please read my earlier posts.
And please leave behind your preconceived notions about what is inherently good.
 
J

jonrambo

Guest
#104
#104
think i heard cs lewis books are read for initiation into some heavily satanic groups on a john todd tape so i cant confirm it. I thought they were slightly undertoned christian linked books untill I heard that. Google actors of star wars satanists im sure theres plenty about it on there
 
JGPS

JGPS

Banned
#105
Jan 11, 2013
629
0
0
#105
RickShafer said:
JGPS said:
This topic needs its ante upped with a Song of Fire and Ice reference.

Anyway. I'm with Tintin. It's laughable that anyone thinks the works of Harry Potter bear any resemblance to witchcraft proper... They must either no nothing of the book, or nothing of witchcraft. (You obviously are the expert, please tell us)Most likely both.

And we have people chiming in here so far gone they oppose Lewis for writing fiction. Beautiful.(No we havn't, please explain witchcraft proper?)
Do you have a clue? You said you did.
Explain.
Please explain the differences between the symbols in the fictional series and "witchcraft proper"?
Click to expand...
It typically involves calling on things which we would call demons and they would call gods and goddesses. Narcotics are also often involved, as is necromancy. Harry Potter has none of those things, save some necromancy which is considered evil in its world. It does have arithmancy, which Christians use in the form of numerology, astrology which is not particularily good and one could raise objection too. Though even astrology it downplays the value of.

Syobolism is a matter of interpretation. Wands and robes are more of a farce of witchcraft than a tribute to the real thing, which other symbols you may be talking about I don't know.

I'm not an expert but I have at least ministered to a number of neo-pagans and even a couple satanists, the difference is plain as day when you know what a real witch is all about. That all carries idolatry and false gods with it. Harry Potter itself is actually quite secular (meaning god neutral), and as such not in line with real witchcraft.

. (not one over 30; who hasn't been infected by it agrees with you)
Click to expand...
It's rather foolish to tout age when it doesn't come with experience on the matter... As I asserted in another thread I still maintain you are somewhat reprobate in your actions, that was a point to which I could not even get a reply too. Don't speak of Logic without knowing the Logos.
Click to expand...
 
J

jonrambo

Guest
#106
#106
satan is the prince of this world and he influences most movies tv shows mass media pretty much everything else too. were going home soon guys dont stress
 
JGPS

JGPS

Banned
#107
Jan 11, 2013
629
0
0
#107
tribesman said:
Oh, really? Have you gone into the detail of Narnia imagery? What do you know about what C.S. Lewis believed? Might want to do a search engine research on the known heresies he adhered to. Did you know that J.K. Rowling named him as one of her two favorite authors, the other being Jane Austen? How can that be you'd think?

Exposing Narnia <-link
Click to expand...
Narnia has many Pagan themes, this is because a theme of Lewis's work is that we are converted pagans... Such is the way of our holidays too. Christ is highest in his works, and all things submit to him, that is part of his point...
 
RickShafer

RickShafer

Banned
#108
Sep 8, 2012
4,367
59
0
#108
[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD]
Harry Potter Books 1, 2 & 3
​
[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%, bgcolor: #DBDBDB"]
The Occult Parallel​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"] Book 1, page 51: Harry is invited to attend Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry where:
  • Harry is an initiate
  • Harry is learning witchcraft
  • Harry is learning to conquer fear.
[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"] A person is INVITED to join an occult order
  • The story line aligns with real occult books written by renowned occultist Gavin and Yvonne Frost.
  • The Training Work of the Initiate, by William Gray
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"] The first book is called, “Harry Potter and The Sorcerer’s Stone.” [/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"] Occultists use sorcerers’ stones to transmute substances from one to another.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"] Book 1, page 66. Harry is informed about how much work goes into becoming a wizard and about how much there is to study. The book tittles listed, while not actual books, are significant. [/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"] The content Harry has to study includes: Astrology, Herbology, Astronomy (book 1, p. 133), Channeling power, how to use magick wands and practicing rituals. The titles of the books listed closely align to actual occult book. [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"]Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry:Book 1, page 90-94 to get to the school, people have to go through a portal and get on a train.
Book 1, p. 131-133. The rooms shift places until the students can lock them down through visualization.
[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]The entire school of Wizardry and Witchcraft is a creative visualization and exists on the astral plane- not on the physical plane. You can't get to it unless you go through the portal at the train station. This is why the rooms in the school move around. See Role-Playing Games & Popular Occultism[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"]Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry is organized:
  • Dumbledore (a man) (#1)) Supreme Mugwump
  • Snape (a man) (#2)
  • Professor Minerva McGonagall (a woman) (#2) Deputy Headmistress (book 1, p. 51)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]Parallels any occult order:
  1. Imperitor (a man) (#1)
  2. Temple Master (a man) (#2)
  3. Cancellareous (a woman) (#2)
No one confronts the power of an Imperator. No one is more powerful than he. He rules the order.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"]Harry learns how to cast spells.[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]Occultists manipulate elemental spirits, demonic entities, servitors, etc., as well as circumstances and people through spells, acts of will, creative visualizations, and ritual spells for their own benefit. (destruction spells, death spells)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"]Book 1, p. 114: There are four houses within the Hogwarts School: Slytherin, Ravenclaw, Gryffindor and Hufflepuff. [/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]Each one probably represents an element. Air. Earth. Water. Fire. Since Hogwarts exists on the astral plane, that takes care of the fifth element - ethers. We do not know this yet by the end of book three.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"]Book 1, 66. Harry has a spell book[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]Grimore -- and occultist's personal book of incantations.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"]Voldemort wants the sorcerer's stone so he can "create" a new body for himself.[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]There really is a sorcerer's stone -- no comment on what it does or how it's used -- just know that it IS![/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"]In Harry Potter, the "will in action" is a strong theme that runs throughout the story line.[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]The will in action is a direct reference tot he laws of Thelma, more specifically, the first law upon which all other laws hinge: "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. Nothing supersedes the will. The supreme will rules."[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"]
Voldemort wants the sorcerer's stone so he can "create" a new body for himself.​
[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]There really is a sorcerer's stone - no comment on what it does or how it's used -- just know that it IS![/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"]
In Harry Potter, the "will in action" is a strong theme that runs throughout the story line.​
[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]The will in action is a direct reference to the laws of Thelema, more specifically, the first law upon which all other laws hinge: "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. Nothing supersedes the will. the supreme will rules."[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"] Book 1, p. 53. Harry was told that his parents died in a car crass. Actually they were psychically murdered.[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]In the occult world, people "die" by "accident" or "natural causes."[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"] Book 1, p.164. Hedwig- Harry's pet owl. All the students at Hogwarts get and send their messages by owl.[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]Actually, Hedwig and all the other owls are familiar spirits. In the occult -- familiar spirits are used to convey messages from one occultist to others.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"] Book 1, p.130-133. Harry returns to his dormitory room through a "portrait hole." The portrait asks for a password.Book 2, p. 300. The sink - another example of a portal and how to open it up.[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]Portrait hole = portal - the opening between the physical plane and the astral plane through which entities move back and forth. Portals open with the correct words.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"] Book 1, p. 138 and Book 3, p. 2. Harry uses a quill pen, ink and parchment paper to document his magical spells.[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]Standard occult practice -- all occultists learn to document their spells in the initial stages of their training.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"] Book 1, p. The author gives a description of what is referred to as Quirrell's master. Harry could see a face on the back of Quirrell's head.
Quirrell is strengthened by unicorn blood, the Elixir of Life (book 1, p. 293). He drinks blood. [/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]This is a description of a real psychic vampire. The face says, "See what I have become, mere shadow and vapor. I have form only when I can share another's body. But there have always been those willing to let me into their hearts and minds." (Book 1, p. 293)Psychic vampires are real. Drinking blood is strictly forbidden in the Scriptures.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"] Book 1, p. 291. "There is no good and evil, there is only power and those too weak to seek it."[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]Power is the greatest central them in the occult world. There is no god and no devil in the occult world. There is ONLY POWER.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"] Book 1, p. "Always use the proper name for things -- fear of a name of anything increases fear of the thing itself."[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]Harry is being instructed in how to purge fear. All emotion, in the occult world is purged out of a person. Fear could mean death.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"] Book 2, p. 20-21. Harry broke the decree for the restriction of underage wizardry because he had just done serious magick. He gets a reprimand. He does it again in book 3 when he attacks Aunt Marge. (p. 28-30)[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]AKA - he broke the rules of discretion that every occultists is well aware of. Occultist NEVER break the rules of discretion.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"] End of book 2 (p. 317, 322) A young girl gets possessed; you see a conjurative being that threatens to kill. Harry kills a certain conjured spirit (a snake) with a special sword.[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]These passages are an indirect reference to Kaballah, the Tree of Life, the Kundalini (snake) and the Sword of Kerubum. "SELF" is the source of power.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"] Book 2, p. 52 mentions a "Hand of Glory." Book 3, p. 208. Hit Wizards.[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]These are references to items used in VERY NEGATIVE magick.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"] Book 2 explains why Voldemort is the way he was (a psychic vampire) in book one. Harry doesn't understand Voldemort until Dumbledore explains him. In trying to protect Harry from a psychic attack on his life by Voldemort, Harry's mother took the attack on herself and she died. When she took on the full brunt to the attack, she absorbed most of the energy.
Harry absorbed some to the knowledge of Voldemort, but when the energy returned to Voldemort, it destroyed his body. That is why, in book 1, we see him as a psychic vampire -- he needs to have a host body.[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]Rowling gives a perfect description of the difference between demons and fallen angels on the physical plane in this example of Voldemort. She writes that Voldemort once had a body, then he didn't now he does when he attaches himself to other people. This is the way demonic entities exist in the physical world. They need a physical body in which to manifest. Angels, holy or fallen, do not need physical bodies to manifest -- they can make their own bodies on the physical plane.
When occultists repel a psychic attack, they absorb some of the knowledge of the individual that attacked them. In Harry's case, he absorbed the ability to speak snake (and other special capacities) from Voldemort. [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"] Book 2, p. 314-322. Rowlings describes an occult war: Voldemort says he's the greatest sorcerer in the world and Harry says that Dumbldore is the greatest wizard in the world. Then a fawkes, a phoenix and a sorting hat show up to defend and fight for Harry. Voldemort gave Harry permission to use the tools Dumbledore sent him. Harry defeats Voldemort. [/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]Occult wars are fought on the spiritual level. This story line is straight psychic metaphor. Harry found the weakness in Voldemort's existence and capitalized on it. There are references to items used in VERY NEGATIVE magic.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"] Book 3, p. 247. The Dementor's kiss.[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]Lupin explains that when dementors wish to destroy someone utterly, they suck the soul out of the person through their mouth. "You can exist without your soul, you know, as long as your brain and heart are still working."[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"] Book 3, p. 250, 251. Hermione is reading a Rune translation.[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"] Book 3, p. 426, 427. Harry has a conversation with Dumbldore regarding saving Pettigrew's life. Dumbledore tells Harry that when one wizard "saves another wizard's life, it creates a bond between them. This is magic at its deepest and most impenetrable." [/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]This bond and debt is called an ON in the occult world.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"] Harry does not know that he can talk in the language of snakes. You get an inkling of this in books 1, page 28. When Harry has a conversation with the boa constrictor, he thinks the snake is talking English, when, in fact, it is Harry that is talking "snake." The conversation with a snake comes up again in book 2, page 194. In a class titled "Defense Against the Dark Arts," a snake is ready to attack one of the members of his group, Justin, and Harry tells the snake to stop. The snake obeys immediately. People were astounded that Harry could speak snake.[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]Those who practice the many forms of familiar magick have the ability to communicate with animals. I.e.: horse whisperers, medicine men, etc.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"] Book 3, p. 28-30. Harry attacks his aunt Marge for her disparaging comments about him and his family by placing a swelling spell on her.[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]This is a psychic attack. Harry's lightening bolt scar on his forehead is a symbol of his psychic strength. The lightening bolt is similar in nature to the occult "Sword of the Cherubim."[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"] Book 3, p. 133. Harry's class practices on a bogart to remove whatever fear they have. A bogart is an entity which morphs into whatever anyone is afraid of. It is a shape shifter and will change itself into "whatever it thinks will frighten us most."[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]Bogarts, called something else in the occult world, are real. They are used in occult training as practice for conquering fear and for perfecting their craft.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"] Book 3, p. 83. Harry has a confrontation with several dementors. These creatures are similar to vampires that can suck the positive energy out of a person. They cause a person to be confronted with their own evil and what the person fears. Harry is not successful in deriving the dementors away on his own. In book 3, p. 236-237, Lupin teachers him a spell to put a barrier between him and the dementors.[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]In the occult, psychic vampires are similar to dementors. They feed on the emotional energy of people. Fear is a strong emotion that dementors feed on.[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
JGPS

JGPS

Banned
#109
Jan 11, 2013
629
0
0
#109
jonrambo said:
satan is the prince of this world and he influences most movies tv shows mass media pretty much everything else too. were going home soon guys dont stress
Click to expand...
You give him way too much credit...
 
L

loveme1

Senior Member
#110
Oct 30, 2011
8,090
191
63
#110
I remember first being likened to a Pharisees when speaking against the likes of narnia.

I did not know what "Pharisee" meant at the time.
 
JGPS

JGPS

Banned
#111
Jan 11, 2013
629
0
0
#111
RickShafer said:
[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD]
Harry Potter Books 1, 2 & 3
​
[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%, bgcolor: #DBDBDB"]
The Occult Parallel​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"] Book 1, page 51: Harry is invited to attend Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry where:
  • Harry is an initiate
  • Harry is learning witchcraft
  • Harry is learning to conquer fear.
[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"] A person is INVITED to join an occult order
  • The story line aligns with real occult books written by renowned occultist Gavin and Yvonne Frost.
  • The Training Work of the Initiate, by William Gray
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"] The first book is called, “Harry Potter and The Sorcerer’s Stone.” [/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"] Occultists use sorcerers’ stones to transmute substances from one to another.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"] Book 1, page 66. Harry is informed about how much work goes into becoming a wizard and about how much there is to study. The book tittles listed, while not actual books, are significant. [/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"] The content Harry has to study includes: Astrology, Herbology, Astronomy (book 1, p. 133), Channeling power, how to use magick wands and practicing rituals. The titles of the books listed closely align to actual occult book. [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"]Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry:Book 1, page 90-94 to get to the school, people have to go through a portal and get on a train.
Book 1, p. 131-133. The rooms shift places until the students can lock them down through visualization.
[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]The entire school of Wizardry and Witchcraft is a creative visualization and exists on the astral plane- not on the physical plane. You can't get to it unless you go through the portal at the train station. This is why the rooms in the school move around. See Role-Playing Games & Popular Occultism[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"]Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry is organized:
  • Dumbledore (a man) (#1)) Supreme Mugwump
  • Snape (a man) (#2)
  • Professor Minerva McGonagall (a woman) (#2) Deputy Headmistress (book 1, p. 51)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]Parallels any occult order:
  1. Imperitor (a man) (#1)
  2. Temple Master (a man) (#2)
  3. Cancellareous (a woman) (#2)
No one confronts the power of an Imperator. No one is more powerful than he. He rules the order.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"]Harry learns how to cast spells.[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]Occultists manipulate elemental spirits, demonic entities, servitors, etc., as well as circumstances and people through spells, acts of will, creative visualizations, and ritual spells for their own benefit. (destruction spells, death spells)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"]Book 1, p. 114: There are four houses within the Hogwarts School: Slytherin, Ravenclaw, Gryffindor and Hufflepuff. [/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]Each one probably represents an element. Air. Earth. Water. Fire. Since Hogwarts exists on the astral plane, that takes care of the fifth element - ethers. We do not know this yet by the end of book three.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"]Book 1, 66. Harry has a spell book[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]Grimore -- and occultist's personal book of incantations.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"]Voldemort wants the sorcerer's stone so he can "create" a new body for himself.[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]There really is a sorcerer's stone -- no comment on what it does or how it's used -- just know that it IS![/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"]In Harry Potter, the "will in action" is a strong theme that runs throughout the story line.[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]The will in action is a direct reference tot he laws of Thelma, more specifically, the first law upon which all other laws hinge: "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. Nothing supersedes the will. The supreme will rules."[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"]
Voldemort wants the sorcerer's stone so he can "create" a new body for himself.​
[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]There really is a sorcerer's stone - no comment on what it does or how it's used -- just know that it IS![/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"]
In Harry Potter, the "will in action" is a strong theme that runs throughout the story line.​
[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]The will in action is a direct reference to the laws of Thelema, more specifically, the first law upon which all other laws hinge: "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. Nothing supersedes the will. the supreme will rules."[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"] Book 1, p. 53. Harry was told that his parents died in a car crass. Actually they were psychically murdered.[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]In the occult world, people "die" by "accident" or "natural causes."[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"] Book 1, p.164. Hedwig- Harry's pet owl. All the students at Hogwarts get and send their messages by owl.[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]Actually, Hedwig and all the other owls are familiar spirits. In the occult -- familiar spirits are used to convey messages from one occultist to others.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"] Book 1, p.130-133. Harry returns to his dormitory room through a "portrait hole." The portrait asks for a password.Book 2, p. 300. The sink - another example of a portal and how to open it up.[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]Portrait hole = portal - the opening between the physical plane and the astral plane through which entities move back and forth. Portals open with the correct words.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"] Book 1, p. 138 and Book 3, p. 2. Harry uses a quill pen, ink and parchment paper to document his magical spells.[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]Standard occult practice -- all occultists learn to document their spells in the initial stages of their training.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"] Book 1, p. The author gives a description of what is referred to as Quirrell's master. Harry could see a face on the back of Quirrell's head.
Quirrell is strengthened by unicorn blood, the Elixir of Life (book 1, p. 293). He drinks blood. [/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]This is a description of a real psychic vampire. The face says, "See what I have become, mere shadow and vapor. I have form only when I can share another's body. But there have always been those willing to let me into their hearts and minds." (Book 1, p. 293)Psychic vampires are real. Drinking blood is strictly forbidden in the Scriptures.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"] Book 1, p. 291. "There is no good and evil, there is only power and those too weak to seek it."[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]Power is the greatest central them in the occult world. There is no god and no devil in the occult world. There is ONLY POWER.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"] Book 1, p. "Always use the proper name for things -- fear of a name of anything increases fear of the thing itself."[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]Harry is being instructed in how to purge fear. All emotion, in the occult world is purged out of a person. Fear could mean death.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"] Book 2, p. 20-21. Harry broke the decree for the restriction of underage wizardry because he had just done serious magick. He gets a reprimand. He does it again in book 3 when he attacks Aunt Marge. (p. 28-30)[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]AKA - he broke the rules of discretion that every occultists is well aware of. Occultist NEVER break the rules of discretion.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"] End of book 2 (p. 317, 322) A young girl gets possessed; you see a conjurative being that threatens to kill. Harry kills a certain conjured spirit (a snake) with a special sword.[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]These passages are an indirect reference to Kaballah, the Tree of Life, the Kundalini (snake) and the Sword of Kerubum. "SELF" is the source of power.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"] Book 2, p. 52 mentions a "Hand of Glory." Book 3, p. 208. Hit Wizards.[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]These are references to items used in VERY NEGATIVE magick.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"] Book 2 explains why Voldemort is the way he was (a psychic vampire) in book one. Harry doesn't understand Voldemort until Dumbledore explains him. In trying to protect Harry from a psychic attack on his life by Voldemort, Harry's mother took the attack on herself and she died. When she took on the full brunt to the attack, she absorbed most of the energy.
Harry absorbed some to the knowledge of Voldemort, but when the energy returned to Voldemort, it destroyed his body. That is why, in book 1, we see him as a psychic vampire -- he needs to have a host body.[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]Rowling gives a perfect description of the difference between demons and fallen angels on the physical plane in this example of Voldemort. She writes that Voldemort once had a body, then he didn't now he does when he attaches himself to other people. This is the way demonic entities exist in the physical world. They need a physical body in which to manifest. Angels, holy or fallen, do not need physical bodies to manifest -- they can make their own bodies on the physical plane.
When occultists repel a psychic attack, they absorb some of the knowledge of the individual that attacked them. In Harry's case, he absorbed the ability to speak snake (and other special capacities) from Voldemort. [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"] Book 2, p. 314-322. Rowlings describes an occult war: Voldemort says he's the greatest sorcerer in the world and Harry says that Dumbldore is the greatest wizard in the world. Then a fawkes, a phoenix and a sorting hat show up to defend and fight for Harry. Voldemort gave Harry permission to use the tools Dumbledore sent him. Harry defeats Voldemort. [/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]Occult wars are fought on the spiritual level. This story line is straight psychic metaphor. Harry found the weakness in Voldemort's existence and capitalized on it. There are references to items used in VERY NEGATIVE magic.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"] Book 3, p. 247. The Dementor's kiss.[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]Lupin explains that when dementors wish to destroy someone utterly, they suck the soul out of the person through their mouth. "You can exist without your soul, you know, as long as your brain and heart are still working."[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"] Book 3, p. 250, 251. Hermione is reading a Rune translation.[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"] Book 3, p. 426, 427. Harry has a conversation with Dumbldore regarding saving Pettigrew's life. Dumbledore tells Harry that when one wizard "saves another wizard's life, it creates a bond between them. This is magic at its deepest and most impenetrable." [/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]This bond and debt is called an ON in the occult world.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"] Harry does not know that he can talk in the language of snakes. You get an inkling of this in books 1, page 28. When Harry has a conversation with the boa constrictor, he thinks the snake is talking English, when, in fact, it is Harry that is talking "snake." The conversation with a snake comes up again in book 2, page 194. In a class titled "Defense Against the Dark Arts," a snake is ready to attack one of the members of his group, Justin, and Harry tells the snake to stop. The snake obeys immediately. People were astounded that Harry could speak snake.[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]Those who practice the many forms of familiar magick have the ability to communicate with animals. I.e.: horse whisperers, medicine men, etc.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"] Book 3, p. 28-30. Harry attacks his aunt Marge for her disparaging comments about him and his family by placing a swelling spell on her.[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]This is a psychic attack. Harry's lightening bolt scar on his forehead is a symbol of his psychic strength. The lightening bolt is similar in nature to the occult "Sword of the Cherubim."[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"] Book 3, p. 133. Harry's class practices on a bogart to remove whatever fear they have. A bogart is an entity which morphs into whatever anyone is afraid of. It is a shape shifter and will change itself into "whatever it thinks will frighten us most."[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]Bogarts, called something else in the occult world, are real. They are used in occult training as practice for conquering fear and for perfecting their craft.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 49%"] Book 3, p. 83. Harry has a confrontation with several dementors. These creatures are similar to vampires that can suck the positive energy out of a person. They cause a person to be confronted with their own evil and what the person fears. Harry is not successful in deriving the dementors away on his own. In book 3, p. 236-237, Lupin teachers him a spell to put a barrier between him and the dementors.[/TD]
[TD="width: 51%"]In the occult, psychic vampires are similar to dementors. They feed on the emotional energy of people. Fear is a strong emotion that dementors feed on.[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Click to expand...
Ah, you've learned to copy and paste long articles without absorbing or mentally criticism them.

Interestingly enough C.S. Lewis himself would say you haven't learned something until you can express it in your own words. That's as a professor as much as a Christian.

Did you seriously bold studying herbology and astronomy as being evil witchcraft? Both Herb lore and Astronomy are quite legitimate areas of study....

Do you have any objectivity when reading an article? Look at this insantiy

Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry is organized:
  • Dumbledore (a man) (#1)) Supreme Mugwump
  • Snape (a man) (#2)
  • Professor Minerva McGonagall (a woman) (#2) Deputy Headmistress (book 1, p. 51)


     [TABLE]
    [TR]
    [TD="width: 51%"]Parallels any occult order:
    1. Imperitor (a man) (#1)
    2. Temple Master (a man) (#2)
    3. Cancellareous (a woman) (#2)
    No one confronts the power of an Imperator. No one is more powerful than he. He rules the order.
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]

That Minerva is a woman is incidental... Dumbledore was a deputy headmaster before her, that totally breaks the parallel there. Snape had no special position and so parallels nothing, certainly not a temple master... And Dumbledore was confronted many times, by both antagonist and protagonists. Like all of the parallels you posted, the parallel is non-existent... You should critque a source before parroting it. All the parrells listed there have similar problems...

The very few actual parrelels are incedental, bad guys looks like demons, duh... Think and read before you repost garbage such as that...
 
L

loveme1

Senior Member
#112
Oct 30, 2011
8,090
191
63
#112
Some have done their homework.

the kid with a wand and using a broom is enough for miss simpleton here.
 
RickShafer

RickShafer

Banned
#113
Sep 8, 2012
4,367
59
0
#113
JGPS said:
"It's rather foolish to tout age when it doesn't come with experience on the matter... As I asserted in another thread I still maintain you are somewhat reprobate in your actions, that was a point to which I could not even get a reply too. Don't speak of Logic without knowing the Logos."


What an abject fool.
Logic is reasoning, Logos is the written Word of God. (as opposed to Rhema: inspiration)
To compare the english term for intellectual reason with the greek term for God's Word is nonsensical to a hilarious degree.

(To all others, see my post above for the truth concerning the similarities between the fictional work and real occultism.)
Click to expand...
 
L

loveme1

Senior Member
#114
Oct 30, 2011
8,090
191
63
#114
i admit being influenced by things i have seen on television in my life.

At the time one is not aware of the "subliminal"...

Go into any night club and watch people dance differently to the type of music being played....

People imitate things...

They can influence dress and behaviour of the young through it all.....
 
J

jonrambo

Guest
#115
#115
JGPS said:
You give him way too much credit...
Click to expand...
prince of this world, ruler of the air, its all in the bible bro
and he does control most of the world thats why our path is so narrow
 
L

loveme1

Senior Member
#116
Oct 30, 2011
8,090
191
63
#116
They can have ceremonies right in front of people now a days and they will all clap and think it is part of the act, claiming it was "amazing"....

of course we can give it too much credit but for those in the darkness it is worrying to watch.
 
J

jonrambo

Guest
#117
#117
tribesman you continually impress me with your insight be great to chat to you sometime
 
J

jonrambo

Guest
#118
#118
ahh 66 posts not cool thats better 67...
 
RickShafer

RickShafer

Banned
#119
Sep 8, 2012
4,367
59
0
#119
JGPS said:
Ah, you've learned to copy and paste long articles without absorbing or mentally criticism them.

Interestingly enough C.S. Lewis himself would say you haven't learned something until you can express it in your own words. That's as a professor as much as a Christian.

Did you seriously bold studying herbology and astronomy as being evil witchcraft? Both Herb lore and Astronomy are quite legitimate areas of study....

Do you have any objectivity when reading an article? Look at this insantiy

Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry is organized:
  • Dumbledore (a man) (#1)) Supreme Mugwump
  • Snape (a man) (#2)
  • Professor Minerva McGonagall (a woman) (#2) Deputy Headmistress (book 1, p. 51)


     [TABLE]
    [TR]
    [TD]Parallels any occult order:
    1. Imperitor (a man) (#1)
    2. Temple Master (a man) (#2)
    3. Cancellareous (a woman) (#2)
    No one confronts the power of an Imperator. No one is more powerful than he. He rules the order.[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]

That Minerva is a woman is incidental... Dumbledore was a deputy headmaster before her, that totally breaks the parallel there. Snape had no special position and so parallels nothing, certainly not a temple master... And Dumbledore was confronted many times, by both antagonist and protagonists. Like all of the parallels you posted, the parallel is non-existent... You should critque a source before parroting it. All the parrells listed there have similar problems...

The very few actual parrelels are incedental, bad guys looks like demons, duh... Think and read before you repost garbage such as that...
Click to expand...
Anything you have to say is superfluous after you compare human reason with God's word.
You should learn what Greek words ACTUALLY mean before you use them.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.