God or Guns?

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iog

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In light of the 2nd amendment and gun laws, what is Jesus word on the matter?

should we christians be against guns of for guns? OR should our faith(protection) only be with God?

Ephesians 6:11-16


11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;

16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

 
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iog

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why have a weapon is vengeance is the Lord?


Romans 12:19
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
 
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iog

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i don't know much about guns but I do know that guns = death and not life

I do know God is life, God word is Life

John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
 
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iog

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is the word of God our weapon ?
is the word of God our offence and defence before man?

The Lord commanded us to put on the whole armour of God

this armour protects us
 
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i choose GOD, GOD is more powerful than any gun, live by the sword die by the sword. If it's our time to die, it's our time, nothing can change that. Could be eating an apple and choke on it. my faith is in GOD, guns won't save me.
 
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MidniteWelder

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Personally Id rather have the right to have a gun and choose not to use it, rather than have the right be taken and have no choice
 
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BishopSEH

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Luke 22:36 He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.

There is a big difference between living by the sword or gun and being prepared. In the US alone guns were used over 2 million times to stop the taking of innocent life being taken by those that would prey on those thought to be weak.

Some may point to Peter use of a sword in the garden when the temple guards came to arrest Jesus. In this case the temple guards where obeying a lawful order to arrest Jesus. Peter drew his sword and struck and by rights the guard could have arrested him or even killed Peter for his attack. This is a case of using it at the wrong time. That Jesus healed the struck man is likely the only reason Peter was not arrested or killed on the spot.

Like the sword a gun can be used defensively. It can be used to protect yourself and your family from harm by killing or injuring an attacker. It can also be used as a club knocking out an attacker under the right circumstances.

What is comes down to is this. You can have a gun and not live by it. Having a gun does not mean you wil die by it either. Just stop for a moment and thing about who really does live by their weapon be it sword or gun.

The Military, Police, Armed Security, Mercenaries/Soldiers of Fortune and Criminals. Because they live by their weapon they will usually die by a weapon. Some do so honorably like the military and some dishonorably like criminals. But, both live by their weapon and will likely die by a weapon. However the person who has a gun for hunting or self defense will likely never die by a weapon in the common course of life.

In Christ,

Bishop SEH
 
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Therapon

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BishopSEH said:
Luke 22:36 He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.

There is a big difference between living by the sword or gun and being prepared. In the US alone guns were used over 2 million times to stop the taking of innocent life being taken by those that would prey on those thought to be weak.

Some may point to Peter use of a sword in the garden when the temple guards came to arrest Jesus. In this case the temple guards where obeying a lawful order to arrest Jesus. Peter drew his sword and struck and by rights the guard could have arrested him or even killed Peter for his attack. This is a case of using it at the wrong time. That Jesus healed the struck man is likely the only reason Peter was not arrested or killed on the spot.

Like the sword a gun can be used defensively. It can be used to protect yourself and your family from harm by killing or injuring an attacker. It can also be used as a club knocking out an attacker under the right circumstances.

What is comes down to is this. You can have a gun and not live by it. Having a gun does not mean you wil die by it either. Just stop for a moment and thing about who really does live by their weapon be it sword or gun.

The Military, Police, Armed Security, Mercenaries/Soldiers of Fortune and Criminals. Because they live by their weapon they will usually die by a weapon. Some do so honorably like the military and some dishonorably like criminals. But, both live by their weapon and will likely die by a weapon. However the person who has a gun for hunting or self defense will likely never die by a weapon in the common course of life.

In Christ,

Bishop SEH
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Yours is the only sensable post on this whole thread. Guns in the hands of responsible citizens are the greatest force for law and order that has ever been invented. A gun makes that five months pregnant, 95 pound lady, walking to her car in a poorly lighted mall parking lot, equal to that 6’-5”, 220 pound degenerate with rape on his mind.
 
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BarlyGurl

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Brother_Don said:
i choose GOD, GOD is more powerful than any gun, live by the sword die by the sword. If it's our time to die, it's our time, nothing can change that. Could be eating an apple and choke on it. my faith is in GOD, guns won't save me.
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You are very mistaken that you cannot be killed before your TIME... If that were the case... there would be no need to pray for safety, or healing... there would be no murder ... and the devil would be very bored. Your passivistic attitude means you are entirely unprepared to protect you wife, your children, your neighbor... I feel bad for them.
 
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HumbledOutright

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Christians need to understand the meaning of a 'just war', and this also includes 'just defence'.
Christianity spread around the known world by compassion and understanding, because it is the truth, but that does not mean that Christians allowed themselves to be defenceless. God's word would have been destroyed if Christians had not protected themselves and their families.
Without the crusades, the battle of Tours and numerous other incidents I could mention, there would be no Christianity. There would have been no cistine chapel, no St. Paul's cathedral, no advancements in medicine, no motor cars, no aeroplanes and everyone in Europe would be reading the Koran today.
No native Americans would have found salvation in the Lord, because it's very likely that the American continent would have remained undiscovered.
Jumping forwards in time - if Christians had decided to say no to weapons, Hitler would be ruling over a Nazi Europe and a Nazi Great Britain.
Jumping forward to today - if Christian Americans say no to guns then America becomes helpless, not just the god-fearing Christians who said no, but also their children, their families, their friends and their neighbours.
Someone who lives by the sword is someone who uses violence as a rule of thumb for his life, someone who uses his sword to do the talking for him and who makes decisions based on his sword.
Jesus told Peter not to use his sword to make hasty decisions based on anger, at no point did he tell Peter to get rid of his sword, but told him to put it away or put it back in it's place.
There may be a case for some Christians never defending themselves, maybe monastics or certain leaders, (but the rest of the Christian community should protect them) just as there is a case for some Christians leaving their wives to go preaching, or chosing lifetime celibacy. If every Christian chose celibacy however, there would be no reproduction and the Christian community would become extinct.
The Christian community will also become extinct if we all make our selves defenceless.
 
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Grandpa

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iog said:
i don't know much about guns but I do know that guns = death and not life

I do know God is life, God word is Life

John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
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Guns don't equal death. That is the misconception painted by the media and the govt.

The intent of the heart determines what the tool will do in the hands of the person.

Guns can very well equal life when the intent of the heart is life.

Now you have to ask yourself what is the intent of the heart of a govt. that wishes to disarm law-abiding citizens???

Just look to Nazi Germany and Communist Russia for the answer to that question.
 
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Biblically speaking. it's a matter of conscience and a. matter of law.
1. Conscience, there should be a choice to bare or not to bare.
2. Law , the 2nd. amendment ought to be respected for as Christians we are to obey laws that do not directly contradict Scripture..
 
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See_KING_Truth

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BarlyGurl said:
You are very mistaken that you cannot be killed before your TIME... If that were the case... there would be no need to pray for safety, or healing... there would be no murder ... and the devil would be very bored. Your passivistic attitude means you are entirely unprepared to protect you wife, your children, your neighbor... I feel bad for them.
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I can't believe this post, first of all this is my dad you are talking to, second of all your comment is just low. You don't know him or anything about him. He has done an exceptional job of protecting our family, without guns! You don't have to feel bad for any of us, we are all very happy and trust in God for our protection rather than guns.
 
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1still_waters

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How far do we take the "trustin God" concept?

Do we leave doors unlocked cuz we're "trustin God"?
Do we not wear a seat belt cuz we're "trustin God"?
Do we not have anti-virus cuz we're "trustin God"?

Do we not have a firearm to protect our family cuz we're "trustin God"?

How far do we take it?

I find many of the "trustin God"ers are very inconsistent in their application of their ideal.
 
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See_KING_Truth

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1still_waters said:
How far do we take the "trustin God" concept?

Do we leave doors unlocked cuz we're "trustin God"?
Do we not wear a seat belt cuz we're "trustin God"?
Do we not have anti-virus cuz we're "trustin God"?

Do we not have a firearm to protect our family cuz we're "trustin God"?

How far do we take it?

I find many of the "trustin God"ers are very inconsistent in their application of their ideal.
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Don't be ridiculous, there is a difference between trusting in God and living carelessly. I feel like you are just trying to insult my faith...
 
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1still_waters

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See_KING_Truth said:
Don't be ridiculous, there is a difference between trusting in God and living carelessly. I feel like you are just trying to insult my faith...
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Is living without a defense against someone who wants to harm you careless?

What exactly defines careless living?

If you know people exist who want to do you/your family harm, and you don't have the ONE thing to prevent that, why isn't that considered just as careless as not locking a door or putting on a seatbelt?
 
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1still_waters

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Again, it's very inconsistent application in my opinion.
 
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MarkayMrk777

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Isaiah 54:17

New King James Version (NKJV)

17 No weapon formed against you shall prosper
 
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See_KING_Truth

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1still_waters said:
Is living without a defense against someone who wants to harm you careless?

What exactly defines careless living?

If you know people exist who want to do you/your family harm, and you don't have the ONE thing to prevent that, why isn't that considered just as careless as not locking a door or putting on a seatbelt?
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Is a gun really the one thing that will prevent a person from doing my family harm? NO, God is the ONE that will prevent that.
 
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1still_waters

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See_KING_Truth said:
Is a gun really the one thing that will prevent a person from doing my family harm? NO, God is the ONE that will prevent that.
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The question still remains.
How far do you carry that principle?

No locked doors?
No fire insurance?
Not calling the police if you hear a noise downstairs in the middle of the night?

I find peoples' application of this principle very inconsistent, and it would be interesting to know where and why people draw the lines where they do.
 
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