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The Israel of God
(Galatians 6:16)

by Michael Marlowe, Dec. 2004.

14 ἐμοὶ δὲ μὴ γένοιτο καυχᾶσθαι εἰ μὴ ἐν τῷ σταυρῷ τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ, δι᾽ οὗ ἐμοὶ κόσμος ἐσταύρωται κἀγὼ κόσμῳ. 15 οὔτε γὰρ περιτομή τί ἐστιν οὔτε ἀκροβυστία, ἀλλὰ καινὴ κτίσις. 16 καὶ ὅσοι τῷ κανόνι τούτῳ στοιχήσουσιν, εἰρήνη ἐπ᾽ αὐτοὺς καὶ ἔλεος, καὶ ἐπὶ τὸν Ἰσραὴλ τοῦ θεοῦ.

14 But far be it from me to boast, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world hath been crucified unto me, and I unto the world. 15 For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation. 16 And as many as shall walk by this rule, peace be upon them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.




The proper interpretation and translation of the last phrase in Galatians 6:16 has become a matter of controversy in the past century or so. Formerly it was not a matter of controversy. With few exceptions, "The Israel of God" was understood as a name for the Church here. [1] The καὶ ("and") which precedes the phrase ἐπὶ τὸν Ἰσραὴλ τοῦ θεοῦ ("upon the Israel of God") was understood as an explicative καὶ. This understanding of the grammar is reflected in the Revised Standard Version's "Peace and mercy be upon all who walk by this rule, upon the Israel of God," and in the New International Version's "even to the Israel of God." It is not necessary, however, to understand the καὶ as an explicative in order to get substantially the same sense. If it be regarded as an ordinary connective καὶ, as Marvin Vicent says, "The ὅσοι ['as many as'] will refer to the individual Christians, Jewish and Gentile, and Israel of God to the same Christians, regarded collectively, and forming the true messianic community." (Word Studies in the New Testament vol. 4, p. 180). So the rendering "and upon the Israel of God" (KJV and others) is acceptable enough, if it is not misunderstood. In any case, it seems clear that in this verse Paul cannot be pronouncing a benediction upon persons who are not included in the phrase "as many as shall walk by this rule" (the rule of boasting only in the cross). The entire argument of the epistle prevents any idea that here in 6:16 he would give a blessing to those who are not included in this group.

The phrase has become controversial because the traditional interpretation conflicts with principles of interpretation associated with Dispensationalism. Dispensationalists are interested in maintaining a sharp distinction between "Israel" and "the Church" across a whole range of theological matters pertaining to prophecy, ecclesiology, and soteriology. They are not comfortable with the idea that here Paul is using the phrase "Israel of God" in a sense that includes Gentiles, because this undermines their contention that "the Church" is always carefully distinguished from "Israel" in Scripture. This is a major tenet of dispensationalist hermeneutics. C.I. Scofield in his tract, Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth (New York, Loizeaux Brothers, 1888) wrote, "Comparing, then, what is said in Scripture concerning Israel and the Church, [a careful Bible student ] finds that in origin, calling, promise, worship, principles of conduct, and future destiny--all is contrast." Likewise Charles Ryrie in his book Dispensationalism Today (Chicago, 1965) explained that the "basic premise of Dispensationalism is two purposes of God expressed in the formation of two peoples who maintain their distinction throughout eternity." (pp. 44-45).

The Israel of God (Galatians 6:16) < click


etc etc

do we have this sorted out yet?

 
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​The Israel of god is his people, Jew and gentile, there is no difference now, But all one in Christ ,the ONE body.the ONE faith ,ONE baptism into Christ,and the ONE testimony of Christ to the world. This has been on my mind all week. For what advantage hath the Jew? .... chiefly, because unto them were committed the oracles of God. ( God spoke his word through them ) For if they that be of the law are heirs ,faith is made void , and the promise made of no effect. See that ye refuse him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven.
 
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I think people are waking up no more lies this is so awesome I never thought there would be a time this earth would see true equality until Yeshua returns but there is another form equality when finally the body of Christ holds hands and says we have all been made equal through Yeshua I thank GOD for the brothers and sisters I have met here on CC.
 
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Somethin like this???

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I wonder if people understand it is 70 weaks 490 days not 3 1/2 years. Yeshua was 30 years old not 33 when HE gave his life as THE HIGH PRIEST. Daniel 9;24 is 70 weeks means 490 days GOD says what HE means. Just one more lie people are taught. People are waking up not settleing for the same old same old. It is as if Jer. 16;19-21 and Rev. 12;9 are coming to life no more lies. I just found out that some of you know one of the biggest lies ever told has been destroyed. The word of GOD proves it. There is coming a time that you are going to have to choose between what the word of GOD says or the false science and perverted education system teaches. When you question what GOD says HE did like, 6 24 hours days of creation well it doesnt turn out well for those people.
 

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​The Israel of god is his people, Jew and gentile, there is no difference now, But all one in Christ ,the ONE body.the ONE faith ,ONE baptism into Christ,and the ONE testimony of Christ to the world. This has been on my mind all week. For what advantage hath the Jew? .... chiefly, because unto them were committed the oracles of God. ( God spoke his word through them ) For if they that be of the law are heirs ,faith is made void , and the promise made of no effect. See that ye refuse him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven.
One cultivated olive tree...
 
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The Israel of God is the Church, Abraham's Spiritual Children or Seed, which belong to Christ Gal 3:29

29 And if ye be Christ's[His Body the Church], then are ye Abraham's seed[Israel], and heirs according to the promise.

In scripture, the phrase Abraham'sSeed refers only to Israel ! And we know that them who belong to Christ are not limited to jews !
 
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The Israel of God
(Galatians 6:16)

by Michael Marlowe, Dec. 2004.

14 ἐμοὶ δὲ μὴ γένοιτο καυχᾶσθαι εἰ μὴ ἐν τῷ σταυρῷ τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ, δι᾽ οὗ ἐμοὶ κόσμος ἐσταύρωται κἀγὼ κόσμῳ. 15 οὔτε γὰρ περιτομή τί ἐστιν οὔτε ἀκροβυστία, ἀλλὰ καινὴ κτίσις. 16 καὶ ὅσοι τῷ κανόνι τούτῳ στοιχήσουσιν, εἰρήνη ἐπ᾽ αὐτοὺς καὶ ἔλεος, καὶ ἐπὶ τὸν Ἰσραὴλ τοῦ θεοῦ.

14 But far be it from me to boast, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world hath been crucified unto me, and I unto the world. 15 For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation. 16 And as many as shall walk by this rule, peace be upon them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.




The proper interpretation and translation of the last phrase in Galatians 6:16 has become a matter of controversy in the past century or so. Formerly it was not a matter of controversy. With few exceptions, "The Israel of God" was understood as a name for the Church here. [1] The καὶ ("and") which precedes the phrase ἐπὶ τὸν Ἰσραὴλ τοῦ θεοῦ ("upon the Israel of God") was understood as an explicative καὶ. This understanding of the grammar is reflected in the Revised Standard Version's "Peace and mercy be upon all who walk by this rule, upon the Israel of God," and in the New International Version's "even to the Israel of God." It is not necessary, however, to understand the καὶ as an explicative in order to get substantially the same sense. If it be regarded as an ordinary connective καὶ, as Marvin Vicent says, "The ὅσοι ['as many as'] will refer to the individual Christians, Jewish and Gentile, and Israel of God to the same Christians, regarded collectively, and forming the true messianic community." (Word Studies in the New Testament vol. 4, p. 180). So the rendering "and upon the Israel of God" (KJV and others) is acceptable enough, if it is not misunderstood. In any case, it seems clear that in this verse Paul cannot be pronouncing a benediction upon persons who are not included in the phrase "as many as shall walk by this rule" (the rule of boasting only in the cross). The entire argument of the epistle prevents any idea that here in 6:16 he would give a blessing to those who are not included in this group.

The phrase has become controversial because the traditional interpretation conflicts with principles of interpretation associated with Dispensationalism. Dispensationalists are interested in maintaining a sharp distinction between "Israel" and "the Church" across a whole range of theological matters pertaining to prophecy, ecclesiology, and soteriology. They are not comfortable with the idea that here Paul is using the phrase "Israel of God" in a sense that includes Gentiles, because this undermines their contention that "the Church" is always carefully distinguished from "Israel" in Scripture. This is a major tenet of dispensationalist hermeneutics. C.I. Scofield in his tract, Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth (New York, Loizeaux Brothers, 1888) wrote, "Comparing, then, what is said in Scripture concerning Israel and the Church, [a careful Bible student ] finds that in origin, calling, promise, worship, principles of conduct, and future destiny--all is contrast." Likewise Charles Ryrie in his book Dispensationalism Today (Chicago, 1965) explained that the "basic premise of Dispensationalism is two purposes of God expressed in the formation of two peoples who maintain their distinction throughout eternity." (pp. 44-45).

The Israel of God (Galatians 6:16) < click


etc etc

do we have this sorted out yet?


done and (WELL) done, Kath. :)
 
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WOW this has been one long week. Like its been going on for years..........
 

zone

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WOW this has been one long week. Like its been going on for years..........
LOL@stek!!!:D


yup it has. like....2000 years?


let's break for a snack.

 
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LOL@stek!!!:D


yup it has. like....2000 years?


let's break for a snack.

This is awesome you guys are killing me LOL How do you do these posts Zone????????
 

zone

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william.

let's say somebody posted something ridiculous...like....uh....oh i know!

Old Testament Wineskin Jews are saved by not having the New Wine of the New Covenant poured into them (cuz they'd blow up).

so, you go to yourself..."what? did that guy just say that? serious?"

then you google something like:

Epic+ Fail+ animated gif

see what happens....careful though....



the innernet is like a box a choklits
you never know wat yer gonna get.
 
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1still_waters

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william.

let's say somebody posted something ridiculous...like....uh....oh i know!

Old Testament Wineskin Jews are saved by not having the New Wine of the New Covenant poured into them (cuz they'd blow up).

so, you go to yourself..."what? did that guy just say that? serious?"

then you google something like:

Epic+ Fail+ animated gif

see what happens....careful though....



the innernet is like a box a choklits
you never know wat yer gonna get.
ooo like this???

http://actionterritory.com/files/water_balloon.gif

water_balloon.jpg
 

zone

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lol still......



maybe like this
 

Agricola

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WHat Would Jesus Do With This?

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The Church is New Covenant Israel! It has nothing to do with being Jew or Gentile. This is the second phase of Covenant Israel. It went from being the Church (or Light) in the Wilderness, to the Church (or Light) set upon a hill. So Paul calling it the Israel of God is appropriate. This was a unique 40 year generation (30ad to 70ad), it was apart of the last great prophetic move of God; it was the last generation of Old covenant Israel and the 1st generation of New Covenant Israel. Let's remember in the Old Covenant an Israelite could be cut off from the Israel of God. When Jesus prophesied of the judgement upon those who had murdered God's prophets and priests;{ '.....from the righteous blood of Abel to the Priest Zacharias.... }, these were all Israelite or Jews. Paul was not speaking here of nationalities but of a Kingdom in Christ Jesus, and this included the righteous dead of Israel. Of course it meant either Jew or Gentile found in Christ Who was and is the New Creation. You are correct that Dispensationalism through it's own theology rejects the true church, the Israel of God!
 
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FORHISGLORY

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We are Jews ! We are spiritual descendants of Abraham. Check Galatians chapter 3. I reject dispensationalism.