What Does, UNCOVER YOUR FATHER'S NAKEDNESS MEAN ? my notes.

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[size=+]What is a Figure of speech?
a word or phrase used in a nonliteral sense to add rhetorical force to a spoken or written passage:


example : calling her a crab is just a figure of speech



You see the figure above is about, someone , but calling her a crab, denotes, she is maybe, a cranky person, or something,

So, when you call Satan, a serpent or snake, he is a morally low person. Get it ? The situation and history is literal . But the figures themselves are not, they are just used to describe what is happening , without saying it bluntly.

Definition of Euphemism
noun

a mild or indirect word or expression substituted for one considered to be too harsh or blunt when referring to something unpleasant or embarrassing:“downsizing” as a euphemism for cuts




Euphemism

When I was a kid, people bought used cars. These days, people buy fine pre-owned cars. There is no difference between the meaning of “used car” and “pre-owned car”—both refer to the same thing, namely a car someone else has owned and used. However, “used” sounds a bit nasty, perhaps suggesting that the car might be a bit sticky in places. In contrast, “pre-owned” sounds rather better. By substituting “pre-owned” for “used”, the car sounds somehow better, although it is the same car whether it is described as used or pre-owned.

If you need to make something that is negative sound positive without actually making it better, then a euphemism should be your tool of choice. A euphemism is a pleasant or at least inoffensive word or phrase that is substituted for a word or phrase that means the same thing but is unpleasant, offensive otherwise negative in terms of its connotation. To use an analogy, using a euphemism is like coating a bitter pill with sugar, making it easier to swallow.

The way to use a euphemism is to replace the key words or phrases that are negative in their connotation with those that are positive (or at least neutral). Naturally, it helps to know what the target audience regards as positive words, but generically positive words can do the trick quite well.

The defense against a euphemisms is to replace the positive term with a neutral term that has the same meaning. For example, if someone say “An American citizen was inadvertently neutralized during a drone strike”, the neutral presentation would be “An American citizen was killed during a drone strike.” While “killed” does have a negative connotation, it does describe the situation with more neutrality.

In some cases, euphemisms are used for commendable reasons, such as being polite in social situations or to avoid exposing children to “adult” concepts. For example, at a funeral it is considered polite to refer the dead person as “the departed” rather than “the corpse.”

The Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary has defined a Euphemism as so:

"...an indirect word or phrase that people often use to refer to something embarrassing or unpleasant, sometimes to make it seem more acceptable than it really is."



Examples of Euphemisms




He/She is dead He/She-

Kicked the bucket
Passed away
Passed on
asleep
Is pushing up the daisies
no more
resting in peace
six feet under
departed

Have Intercourse-

Make love
Sleep with
Get it on
Act like rabbits
Do it
Get laid


communists -

“democrats”





Here are some, of the euphemisms in the Bible:



Return to the ground = die

Genesis 3:19

King James Version (KJV)

19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.


knew = have sex with (also 1 Kings 1:4)

Genesis 4:1

4 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord.

To Uncover your fathers nakedness = is to have intercourse with ones mother

Genesis 9:

21 And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.

22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.

23 And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness.

24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.

Leviticus 20:11

And the man that lieth (intercourse) with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

For more read: ( Leviticus 18:6-30 )





seed = sperm

Leviticus 15:16
16 And if any man's seed of copulation go out from him, then he shall wash all his flesh in water, and be unclean until the even.

from 'zara`' (2232); seed; figuratively, fruit, plant, sowing-time, posterity:--X carnally, child............




Slept with his fathers = died

1 Kings 2:

10 So David slept with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David.



Sleep meaning Dead =

John 11:

11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleeps; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.

12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.

13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.

14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.



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Definition of metaphor
noun

a figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action to which it is not literally applicable:“I had fallen through a trapdoor of depression,” said Mark, who was fond of theatrical metaphors her poetry depends on suggestion and metaphor
a thing regarded as representative or symbolic of something else, especially something abstract:the amounts of money being lost by the company were enough to make it a metaphor for an industry that was teetering


Hebrews 12:1


12 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

The metaphor here is the Cloud. Cloud used to describe a great gathering of Christian witnesses.




Serpent =Another name for Satan.

Genesis 3


3 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made.And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?



beast simply can mean a living thing; Anything living or alive.
chay
khah'-ee

from 'chayah' (2421); alive;


Definition of symbolism
noun
the use of symbols to represent ideas or qualities


Revelation 12:9


And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.




Revelation 12:9


9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.


Genesis 3


3 Now the
serpent [/color]was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made.

Ezekiel 28:

13] Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God

14You are the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so:thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that you were created, till iniquity was found in thee







And I will not get into the Symbolism of Trees and its use in God's word.

What happened in the garden is 100% factual history. The thing is, it is related in figures of speech, for example one being type is euphemisms. Because its not meant perhaps that everyone understand, but the wise and mature Christians that want to eat the meat meat of God's word will continue to study:

Hebrews 5:

11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.

12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

13 For every one that uses milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

14 But strong meat belongs to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.[/size][/color]
 
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Just wanted to add this link to a online book. That relates to this thread. A good book about figures of speech used in the Bible. It is impossible to understand some things in the Bible if you do not know about figures of speech .


'Figures of speech used in the Bible:' by Bullinger, E. W. (Ethelbert William), 1837-1913 - Page %CURPAGENUM% of %LASTPAGENUM%

( give time to learn how to navigate the pages )

the article in the Thread about
Euphemisms & used cars; is by Mike LaBossiere on February 18, 2013
 
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Take the Bible literally first because it is literal. He really did reveal his father's nakedness. The nakedness was his sin and he should not have gone around gossiping or slandering it to the world. Do not reveal what is GOD's to reveal.
 
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Take the Bible literally first because it is literal. He really did reveal his father's nakedness. The nakedness was his sin and he should not have gone around gossiping or slandering it to the world. Do not reveal what is GOD's to reveal.

Why wont you address what is acutually written ? There is no multiple choice, Levi 20: 11.. lets mature, and put aside tradtions, of people and lets start talking about what is written in God's word. instead of what we want to see, lets see what is acutally there written.

Revealing a fathers nakedness is a Figure or Ephemism that means to sleep with your mother.
 
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Why wont you address what is acutually written ? There is no multiple choice, Levi 20: 11.. lets mature, and put aside tradtions, of people and lets start talking about what is written in God's word. instead of what we want to see, lets see what is acutally there written.

Revealing a fathers nakedness is a Figure or Ephemism that means to sleep with your mother.
I have to tell you, I am a little confused by what you said. Are you agreeing with me or what? I can't tell.
 
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Interesting thread. Thanks For Posting.
 
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I have to tell you, I am a little confused by what you said. Are you agreeing with me or what? I can't tell.
Okay, lets back track.

Just to try to respond to some of the things you posted :

""Noel:
1 Take the Bible literally first because it is literal. ""



The reason I posted this is to try to get people to know, there are differences in how something in the Bible is written or the ways, in which something is communicated to the reader. And I posted verses, to start everyone talking about them. So, then we can put, what is a figure of speech and what is not.I want to just say, that because a figure of speech is used , does not mean that the subject itself is not a literal thing; though, the Bible is using figure of speech to teach it. That where I want to put the attention .

""Noel
2 He really did reveal his father's nakedness. ""


This statement here confused me. What do you think, reveal his father's nakedness means? And, did you come to that conclusion before, or after you read the Post for this thread ? Did you read Leviticus 20:11 ? And what are your thoughts there?




""Noel
3 The nakedness was his sin ""


I'm just asking again the same thing here, as above, what did you understand "the nakedness" to mean ? And did you read the 1st post for this thread ? And the scriptures posted ?

""Noel
4 and he should not have gone around gossiping or slandering it to the world.""



Now, this was in hind sight, after the act of uncovering his father's nakedness. The uncovering part I wanted us all to address.

""Noel
5 Do not reveal what is GOD's to reveal. ""



I do not understand this last line you wrote, How does this relate to the scriptures posted ?

Basically I'm wondering, did not read the original post ?
 
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I'm going to try to be clear again :

a figure of speech is used to teach often in the Bible, about actual real historical people places and events, in real life .

The figure is used, to teach and reveal the facts, but not being blunt or for the sake of people ,, that are not nessisarly ready to receive them... On the other hand, those that do take the time,can learn and understand, that care for the meat of truth. God knows. That is just one of the main reasons, that God uses this teaching method

Mark 4:

10 And when he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of him the parable.

11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

13 And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables?
 
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Revelation 3:18I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see.

Revelation 16:15
“Look, I come like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake and remains clothed, so as not to go naked and be shamefully exposed.”




 
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Revelation 3:18I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see.

Revelation 16:15
“Look, I come like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake and remains clothed, so as not to go naked and be shamefully exposed.”




This is looks like analogy . Here we have God's truth, being compared to gold that is refined in fire. Gold when heated will remain gold, but all impurities are worked out through the fire So that is pure. So Christ is saying, take the truth, that is pure .
And the eye salve, is meant to draw out poisons . In the sense Christ is using it. It will draw out all the darkness out of some ones spirit, so that they can see or know the truth that he is offering that has, been tried in the fire.
Reminds me of Proverbs and

Zechariah 13:9
And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.


Revelation 19:8

8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

The white cloths are our righteous acts, that weave the fine linen we wear in heaven. That is a place we can read of white cloths to wear so that our shameful nakedness does not show in the presence of Christ .



A scripture of a way to draw poison
Isaiah 38

21 For Isaiah had said, Let them take a lump of figs, and lay it for a plaister upon the boil, and he shall recover.
 
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I think post #4 is zeroing in.
How many have even noticed that the almost same terminology is used in both accounts?
"saw his father's nakedness"
and
"uncovered his father's nakedness"

Here's some other overlooked details.
Noah was not asleep when people went in and out of the tent. He was drunk. He woke from his drunkenness, not from sleep. re: other uses of "wake" in Genesis.
Noah was uncovered, but Ham saw "nakedness". It is not, nor has it ever been, a sin to be naked, especially in private where Ham should not have nonchalantly came in. He went outside as if to make drama out of it. Nudity is just embarrassing because that idea has been beat into our brains by society, against our control. A demon.
The other brothers didn't see Noah as if it should be embarrassing to Noah. Their faces were backward. They remembered the errors of the recently destroyed social order, and took precaution to avoid falling into the same idea. They didn't want to put their selves to the same temptation of judgment, a judgment that they wouldn't have thought to even make, had it not been for Ham reviving society's drama and putting the thought back into their heads.

Finally, here's the part that's really hard to notice.
Noah didn't curse anyone, particularly Ham.
He just pointed out a curse was now in effect because of Ham's actions.
The curse was for Canaan to be stuck with Ham as a father figure.

In Leviticus, "uncovering Father's nakedness" isn't precisely equated to "sleeping with his wife" - it is a result of it.
Think of the kinds of rumors people would say if they found out your neighbor's son was sleeping with the neighbor's wife.
He is embarrassed more than the transgressors by society's standards, but was at no fault. He is the one that the onlookers strip the clothes off of first, because they think it's all his fault for not keeping his wife in check, or not having instructed his son properly. Though he might have done his best.

Point of the whole scene is that sin took the first and most trivial opportunity to blow up a new chance at paradise.

Men in the locker room, laughing at the guy with the small package.
Making him feel "naked" - "ashamed" for no reason.
Not even considering the fact that he might yet be more pleasing to his wife than they could ever be to their own.
 

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Gen 9:23 gives your answer. The two brothers covered their father's nakedness not Ham's.
 
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Gen 9:23 gives your answer. The two brothers covered their father's nakedness not Ham's.
Me? Sorry if my wall of text looks crazy. No, I know they covered Noah's nakedness.
I don't think Ham was naked, nor having sex with Noah's wife.
Ham was fabricating Noah's embarrassment. Noah had done nothing wrong by being drunk and naked in private. The same kind of thing happens when someone has slept with his father's wife. It embarrasses the father more than the son or the wife, though the father is not at fault.
 

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Me? Sorry if my wall of text looks crazy. No, I know they covered Noah's nakedness.
I don't think Ham was naked, nor having sex with Noah's wife.
Ham was fabricating Noah's embarrassment. Noah had done nothing wrong by being drunk and naked in private. The same kind of thing happens when someone has slept with his father's wife. It embarrasses the father more than the son or the wife, though the father is not at fault.
You? No just replying to the OP.
 
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I don't have much to add. The notes and scriptures I posted already should be enough to show some things about figures of speech used in the bible. And show what the un-covering means . Leviticus does a good Job of teaching what that is. I don't have anything to add.


I recommend people buy figures of speech used in the bible by E W Bullinger. its one of the only serious works about that subject. it might be a difficult read at first.

It documents a lot of the different kinds of figures used in the Bible. more then I could ever post here.
 
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