If a Jerusalem temple is rebuilt, will you see that as a significant sign of the end?

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If a Jerusalem temple is rebuilt, will you see that as a significant sign of the end?

  • Yes

    Votes: 18 72.0%
  • No

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Adinah

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If nobody could feel true conviction from the Holy Spirit, then perhaps you would be right. So much for that...........
You and I both know there's no sure way to know if we are truly convicted by the Holy Spirit when it comes to every doctrine taught by our church. We use that term so lightly (convicted by the Holy Spirit) and look at the Christian world arguing with one another over just about every Christian doctrine there is. Exactly whose Holy Spirit shall we listen to? Yes, our own. That's what they all say.
 
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Adinah

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With entire movements searching for gold dust in services, laughing like hyenas, all the while thinking it's God in their midst, yes I'd say that's quite a delusion.
Well, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure those out. As for those delusions that are truly sneaky? Those that come as angels of light? Different story entirely.
 
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Adinah

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If nobody could feel true conviction from the Holy Spirit, then perhaps you would be right. So much for that...........
By the way, I don't know any so-called Christian that won't tell you the Holy Spirit lead them to believe what they believe. I've not even met people that do devious ungodly things that won't tell you God approves of how they do things. People have a way of justifying ungodly actions to themselves, and they believe themselves when they do this. Either these people don't really believe in God at all or they're just plain blind to their own sin. Even David became blind to his own sin. It can happen to anyone.
 

zone

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Re: If a Jerusalem temple is rebuilt, will you see that as a significant sign of the

the temple rebuild-end-times scenario is based on a 7 YEAR TRIBULATION theory, correct?

or is there some other connection?

where does the idea come from:)
 
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Houly

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#45
the temple rebuild-end-times scenario is based on a 7 YEAR TRIBULATION theory, correct?

or is there some other connection?

where does the idea come from:)
Yeah, it's from the expectation that the Antichrist (man of lawlessness, etc) will be a literal man who will stand in a literal temple so that most of mankind will worship him as God for 42 months (the second half of a 7-year tribulation).

2 Thessalonians 2
Revelation 13
 
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Houly

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Re: If a Jerusalem temple is rebuilt, will you see that as a significant sign of the

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zone

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Yeah, it's from the expectation that the Antichrist (man of lawlessness, etc) will be a literal man who will stand in a literal temple so that most of mankind will worship him as God for 42 months (the second half of a 7-year tribulation).

2 Thessalonians 2
Revelation 13
where's the 7 year part from?
 
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Houly

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#48
where's the 7 year part from?
The first half is the 42-month (1,260-day) testimony of the witnesses, and the two witnesses are killed when the beast is raised.
 
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Houly

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#49
Collapse reported on Temple Mount - Israel Today | Israel News
August 27, 2013.


[snip]


Palestinian officials claim that the collapses are caused by deliberate Israeli action to bring down the Al Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock so that the Jewish Temple can be rebuilt.

But archaeologists and engineers have been warning for years that the heavy construction projects being carried out by the Muslims atop the Temple Mount are destabilizing the huge number of ancient structures and water cisterns that riddle the sacred plateau.

Many believe it is only a matter of time before most of the platform collapses.


[/snip]
 

vic1980

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Jesus Christ could return at any time: maybe today, in ten years, or in ten thousand years.


Most of us believe we will be able to recognize the "season" of His return and of the end of this present "Church Age" or "Age of the Gentiles."


There are currently millions of Israeli Jews making all the preparations to rebuild on the Temple Mount. Their major obstacle is the Dome of Rock, one of the most important sites for Islam, which has been built at the location of the fallen First and Second Temples.


If the Jerusalem temple is rebuilt, animal sacrifices are expected to resume. Unlike the First and Second Temples, this rebuilt Jerusalem temple will NOT be God's true temple. Christians have been blessed with the knowledge that our bodies now compose God's temple and that Jesus Christ sacrificed His body for the redemption of all sin.


Most of us who expect a "great tribulation" period (either 7 years or 3.5 years), expect that a man, the Antichrist, will stand in a temple in Jerusalem and proclaim himself to be God.


So, knowing that it will not be God's true temple, will you consider a rebuilt Jerusalem temple a significant sign that we are in the season of the end?
I belive God will not let the jews build a new temple on the mount, Because as you stated we the belivers in christ are the new temple, God is using the muslims just as he used babylon of old to do his work . The unbeliving Jew will be justify by faith in Jesus Christ just like the rest of us no other way to be saved but belive in the son of God .Remember all things are created by him and for him .

Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Alot of folks seem to forget God uses everything and everyone to do his will.

We are given the names of the builder of the temple of God they are in the bible

I trully do not belive there is a need for a third temple in Jerusalem or a anti christ to sit in a structure built by man and call it the temple of God Becasue the book of Act clearly testify to us the truth on the matter, due to the fact that God very own words have given only 3 individuals the commandment and authority to build his Holy temple

1 solomon 1Ch 28:6 KJV also in 1Ch 28:10-12
2 Zerubbabel Hag 2:23 also in Zec 4:6 KJV & Zec 4:9-10 KJV & Hag 2:3 KJV
3 Jesus Christ Zechariah 6:12 & Zechariah 6:13 The BRANCH

1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

God bless
 
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nw2u

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Re: If a Jerusalem temple is rebuilt, will you see that as a significant sign of the

I have no business being here. I don't know what you all know. I did have a question. Why is it that the abomination of desolation is not already standing where it should not? The Dome of the Rock? I don't mean to offend anyone. Sorry if I did.
 

john832

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#52
The first half is the 42-month (1,260-day) testimony of the witnesses, and the two witnesses are killed when the beast is raised.
Not everyone sees it this way...

Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

3-1/2 years.

Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

I don't see this as the Beast ascending at this time, rather it is referring to the Beast that ascended 3-1/2 years prior.

Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
Rev 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

The resurrection at the return of Christ...

Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

The seventh and last trump. Notice this...

Rev 8:12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.
Rev 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

The last three trumpet plagues are called 'woes'...

Rev 9:12 One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter.
Rev 9:13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,

So now the sixth trumpet or second woe occurs leaving one more trumpet and woe to happen...

Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
Rev 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

This is the return of Christ and the resurrection of the dead. The Two Winesses have performed their work during the same 3-1/2 years the Beast has been in power.

Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

Same resurrection Paul spoke of in I Cor 15, I Ths 4 and Heb 11.

The tribulation, the Beast power and the Two Witnesses are concurrent.
 

john832

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#53
I have no business being here. I don't know what you all know. I did have a question. Why is it that the abomination of desolation is not already standing where it should not? The Dome of the Rock? I don't mean to offend anyone. Sorry if I did.
Yes you do have business here. What I see as the AoD is not the Dome of the Rock. The first AoD was a man; Antiochus IV Epiphanes (better know as Epimanes - look that one up) and was the type of the final fulfillment. (Type and anti-type.) He is described in detail in Dan 8 and 11 but notice this...

Dan 8:19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.

Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
Dan 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
Dan 8:26 And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.

Here is a good reference on this...

Just What Is the Abomination of Desolation? - Good News Magazine | United Church of God
 
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reject-tech

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Re: If a Jerusalem temple is rebuilt, will you see that as a significant sign of the

I think it would be hard not to.
 
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Quickfire

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The way i see things the story about the temple being built is actually a reflection of your self, as you read through gen and exodus your own inner temple starts to get built,

A sign of the end times may come in many different signs. But as the bible says only the father knows,

EPH 4-30
And do not make God's Holy Spirit sad; for the Spirit is God's mark of ownership on you, a guarantee that the Day will come when God will set you free.

This scripture above to me means the spirit loves you, and you love the spirit, and if your wanting to see Jesus before the day of redemption your making the spirit sad, because the spirit lives in you, and the spirit senses you are grieving for Jesus.

The spirit wants you not to worry.
 

crossnote

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Yes you do have business here. What I see as the AoD is not the Dome of the Rock. The first AoD was a man; Antiochus IV Epiphanes (better know as Epimanes - look that one up) and was the type of the final fulfillment. (Type and anti-type.) He is described in detail in Dan 8 and 11 but notice this...

Dan 8:19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.

Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
Dan 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
Dan 8:26 And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.

Here is a good reference on this...

Just What Is the Abomination of Desolation? - Good News Magazine | United Church of God
Jesus put that event in the future from 30ad...Mt24:15
Some put the Obamanation in the present. :)
 
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Houly

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The way i see things the story about the temple being built is actually a reflection of your self, as you read through gen and exodus your own inner temple starts to get built.
Definitely, Christians are to transform our own bodies into the temple, of which the apostles were the pillars.

The rebuilt Jerusalem temple will be in rejection of that fact. And the resumed daily sacrifices will be in rejection of the sacrifice made by Jesus Christ.
 
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Hoffco

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Re: If a Jerusalem temple is rebuilt, will you see that as a significant sign of the

You can not mix apples and oranges, Please stop associating totally opposite things, as if they were alike. Our body is not a literal building ,we are the spiritual temple of the Holy Spirit ,a spirit Being. The physical temple iis just that , a physical building. The third temple will be built and the Jews will make physical sacrifices again , very soon. There are thousands of Jews who just went to the temple mount and gained access for a few hours, but the next day, they were not allowed up on to the mount. The stupid secular government of Israel gave the control of the temple mount to the Muslims in 1967. In that war the Jews gained control of the temple mt. and one general was ready to blow the Dome up, but his superior would not allow him. There are thousands of orthodox Jews who now want the temple rebuilt and they will get more control over the government and get their wish. Something very bad is about to happen to the Arabs and they will beg for peace and one of there own "holy men" will become the "peace maker", who will be the false Christ for the Jews, He will renegotiate a treaty with Israel and Israel will rebuild their temple. This will be the antichrist ,the "man of sin" and in the middle of the 7 yr. peace treaty, The real Jesus will come and rapture His church, this will blow the cover of the false antichrist, who will then become the Abomination of desolation and began killing the Jews like flies. Then the wrath of God will be poured out upon the Jews , for building the temple, in rejection of Jesus their real Christ, and the wrath of God will be world wide, and in 3 and a half yrs, Jesus returns to earth and sets up His millennial kingdom. If people would just read the Bible, as it is written, you would know these things, it is quite clear, and getting clearer every day. Love to all Hoffco
 

TheAristocat

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Re: If a Jerusalem temple is rebuilt, will you see that as a significant sign of the

Jesus Christ could return at any time: maybe today, in ten years, or in ten thousand years.


Most of us believe we will be able to recognize the "season" of His return and of the end of this present "Church Age" or "Age of the Gentiles."


There are currently millions of Israeli Jews making all the preparations to rebuild on the Temple Mount. Their major obstacle is the Dome of Rock, one of the most important sites for Islam, which has been built at the location of the fallen First and Second Temples.


If the Jerusalem temple is rebuilt, animal sacrifices are expected to resume. Unlike the First and Second Temples, this rebuilt Jerusalem temple will NOT be God's true temple. Christians have been blessed with the knowledge that our bodies now compose God's temple and that Jesus Christ sacrificed His body for the redemption of all sin.


Most of us who expect a "great tribulation" period (either 7 years or 3.5 years), expect that a man, the Antichrist, will stand in a temple in Jerusalem and proclaim himself to be God.


So, knowing that it will not be God's true temple, will you consider a rebuilt Jerusalem temple a significant sign that we are in the season of the end?
Eh. I try not to mix the spiritual with the purely physical realm. If a temple is built I would go see it. The only time I wouldn't go there is when the antichrist sets himself up there as god. But the regathering of Israel is a significant step toward the end of this world's current era. Yet look how long it's been since and still there is no temple. So even if a temple were built tomorrow (correct me if I'm wrong) it could be another 50 or so years before the antichrist sets up shop in it. But, yes, I would take it as another significant sign of the end of this age.
 
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Hoffco

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Re: If a Jerusalem temple is rebuilt, will you see that as a significant sign of the

I am very sure ,many Christians will travel to Jerusalem to see the third temple on Zion's mt. I would not want ,or maybe I would?, like to be there when Jesus returns.!? WE could be there when Jesus raptures us out,UP. If we would not making the leading of the Spirit into such a subjective,emotional thing ,exp. we would read the WORD harder, and gain a better understanding of God's plan. The digging near the Dome was/is done by the Muslims , not the Jews. That fill dirth was put there by Herod the great to build army barracks there nat to the temple to control the Jews better.