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I posted to this a while back. In English or in Greek, Jesus is God. Not in Hebrew. The reason is that Hebrew lacks the generic term for God, and has only words for God the Father, or a general term used for pagan gods and powerful men. Greek and English consider "god" to be any heavenly being carrying ultimate authority, and this certainly includes Jesus (by I Cor. 15:25, Eph. 1:22, Heb. 2:8). The early church, being mostly Greek, transmitted correctly to us that Jesus is God. The recent growth in the presence of the Messianic Jews, who often think in Hebrew, are returning to understanding Yeshua as the Son of God, consistent with that language. The NT lacks any direct statement that Jesus is God, only the less precise "one with the Father", thus allowing both interpretations.
John 14:9Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 3:12I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?
Matthew 13:13This is why I speak to them in parables: “Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand.
Romans 6:19I am using an example from everyday life because of your human limitations. Just as you used to offer yourselves as slaves to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer yourselves as slaves to righteousness leading to holiness.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 3:12I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?
Matthew 13:13This is why I speak to them in parables: “Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand.
Romans 6:19I am using an example from everyday life because of your human limitations. Just as you used to offer yourselves as slaves to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer yourselves as slaves to righteousness leading to holiness.
Hello Antoni you are right Jesus and God are not the same person.
The Father’s superiority over the Son, as well as the fact that the Father is a separate person, is highlighted also in the prayers of Jesus, such as the one before his execution:“Father, if you wish, remove this cup [that is, an ignominious death] from me.Nevertheless, let, not my will, but yours take place.” (Luke 22:42) If God and Jesus are “one in essence,” as the Trinity doctrine says, how could Jesus’ will, or wish, seem different from that of his Father?—Hebrews 5:7, 8; 9:24.
Furthermore, if Jehovah and Jesus were the same, how could one of them be aware of things of which the other was not? Jesus, for instance, said regarding the time of the world’s judgment: “Concerning that day or the hour nobody knows, neither the angels in heaven nor the Son, but the Father.”—Mark 13:32.
Jesus Christ himself said, “The Father is greater than I am” and referred to the Father as his God, “the only true God.” (Joh 14:28; 17:3; 20:17; Mr 15:34; Re 1:1; 3:12) On numerous occasions Jesus expressed his inferiority and subordination to his Father.
The Father’s superiority over the Son, as well as the fact that the Father is a separate person, is highlighted also in the prayers of Jesus, such as the one before his execution:“Father, if you wish, remove this cup [that is, an ignominious death] from me.Nevertheless, let, not my will, but yours take place.” (Luke 22:42) If God and Jesus are “one in essence,” as the Trinity doctrine says, how could Jesus’ will, or wish, seem different from that of his Father?—Hebrews 5:7, 8; 9:24.
Furthermore, if Jehovah and Jesus were the same, how could one of them be aware of things of which the other was not? Jesus, for instance, said regarding the time of the world’s judgment: “Concerning that day or the hour nobody knows, neither the angels in heaven nor the Son, but the Father.”—Mark 13:32.
Jesus Christ himself said, “The Father is greater than I am” and referred to the Father as his God, “the only true God.” (Joh 14:28; 17:3; 20:17; Mr 15:34; Re 1:1; 3:12) On numerous occasions Jesus expressed his inferiority and subordination to his Father.
Ἐν - perp. - In
ἀρχῇ - noun - beginning
ἦν - verb - was
ὁ - def. article - the
λόγος, - noun/subj. - Word
καὶ - conj. - and
ὁ - def. article - the
λόγος - noun/subj. Word
ἦν - verb - was
πρὸς - prep. - with
τὸν - def. article - the
θεόν - noun/obj. of the prep. - God
καὶ - conj. - and
θεὸς - noun/pred. nom. - God
ἦν - verb - was
ὁ - def. article - the
λόγος - noun/subj. - Word
There cannot be a stronger passage confirming Jesus as God that John 1:1. This is nothing more than a simple parsing of terms but if you will take the time to diagram the verse you will find these fact to be incontrovertible - The Word was God and Jesus is the Word. θεὸς is the predicate nominative that defines the subject λόγος. THE WORD WAS GOD!
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Whatever else on may or may not understand about Jesus, it is undeniably confirmed by John that HE is the Word who was from the beginning, He is the Word who was with God, HE is the Word who is the Creator of the world, HE is the Word who became flesh, HE is the Word who explained God to man, and He is the Word who IS GOD. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]As to whether or not the Word is a person rather than just the speech, divine utterance, or analogy is laid to rest in verse 2. ουτος
ην εν αρχη προς τον θεον. [/FONT]
The ουτος is masculine gender - He or this one. If the λόγος was simply an abstract it would have to read τοῦτο rather than ουτος.
Through out the entire text of John 1 the personal pronoun is repeatedly applied to the Word. He is never referred to as 'it'. The Word is the Subject. Notice:
Verse 2. οὗτος ἦν ἐν ἀρχῇ - HE was
in the beginning.
V.3 - πάντα δι’ αὐτοῦ ἐγένετο - all
things through HIM came into being.
V.3 - χωρὶς αὐτοῦ ἐγένετο οὐδὲ
ἓν ὃ γέγονεν - Through HIM came into being nothing
that came into being.
V.4 - ἐν αὐτῷ ζωὴ ἦν, - In HIM life
was.
V.10 - ἐν τῷ κόσμῳ ἦν - In the world HE
was
V.10 - καὶ ὁ κόσμος δι’ αὐτοῦ
ἐγένετο - And the world through HIM was made or came
into being.
V.10 - καὶ ὁ κόσμος αὐτὸν οὐκ ἔγνω.
- And the world HIM not knew.
V.11 - εἰς τὰ ἴδια ἦλθεν - To the own HE
came
V.11 - καὶ οἱ ἴδιοι αὐτὸν οὐ
παρέλαβον. - And the own HIM not received.
V.12 - ὅσοι δὲ ἔλαβον αὐτὸν - As many
as however received HIM.
V.12 - τοῖς πιστεύουσιν εἰς τὸ ὄνομα
αυτοῦ, - To those that believe on the name of HIM.
V,14 - καὶ ἐθεασάμεθα τὴν δόξαν αὐτοῦ,
- And we beheld the glory of HIM[/quote]
ἀρχῇ - noun - beginning
ἦν - verb - was
ὁ - def. article - the
λόγος, - noun/subj. - Word
καὶ - conj. - and
ὁ - def. article - the
λόγος - noun/subj. Word
ἦν - verb - was
πρὸς - prep. - with
τὸν - def. article - the
θεόν - noun/obj. of the prep. - God
καὶ - conj. - and
θεὸς - noun/pred. nom. - God
ἦν - verb - was
ὁ - def. article - the
λόγος - noun/subj. - Word
There cannot be a stronger passage confirming Jesus as God that John 1:1. This is nothing more than a simple parsing of terms but if you will take the time to diagram the verse you will find these fact to be incontrovertible - The Word was God and Jesus is the Word. θεὸς is the predicate nominative that defines the subject λόγος. THE WORD WAS GOD!
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Whatever else on may or may not understand about Jesus, it is undeniably confirmed by John that HE is the Word who was from the beginning, He is the Word who was with God, HE is the Word who is the Creator of the world, HE is the Word who became flesh, HE is the Word who explained God to man, and He is the Word who IS GOD. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]As to whether or not the Word is a person rather than just the speech, divine utterance, or analogy is laid to rest in verse 2. ουτος
ην εν αρχη προς τον θεον. [/FONT]
The ουτος is masculine gender - He or this one. If the λόγος was simply an abstract it would have to read τοῦτο rather than ουτος.
Through out the entire text of John 1 the personal pronoun is repeatedly applied to the Word. He is never referred to as 'it'. The Word is the Subject. Notice:
Verse 2. οὗτος ἦν ἐν ἀρχῇ - HE was
in the beginning.
V.3 - πάντα δι’ αὐτοῦ ἐγένετο - all
things through HIM came into being.
V.3 - χωρὶς αὐτοῦ ἐγένετο οὐδὲ
ἓν ὃ γέγονεν - Through HIM came into being nothing
that came into being.
V.4 - ἐν αὐτῷ ζωὴ ἦν, - In HIM life
was.
V.10 - ἐν τῷ κόσμῳ ἦν - In the world HE
was
V.10 - καὶ ὁ κόσμος δι’ αὐτοῦ
ἐγένετο - And the world through HIM was made or came
into being.
V.10 - καὶ ὁ κόσμος αὐτὸν οὐκ ἔγνω.
- And the world HIM not knew.
V.11 - εἰς τὰ ἴδια ἦλθεν - To the own HE
came
V.11 - καὶ οἱ ἴδιοι αὐτὸν οὐ
παρέλαβον. - And the own HIM not received.
V.12 - ὅσοι δὲ ἔλαβον αὐτὸν - As many
as however received HIM.
V.12 - τοῖς πιστεύουσιν εἰς τὸ ὄνομα
αυτοῦ, - To those that believe on the name of HIM.
V,14 - καὶ ἐθεασάμεθα τὴν δόξαν αὐτοῦ,
- And we beheld the glory of HIM[/quote]
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This same question "is Jesus God? "was posed a week ago. It was proven then that Yahoshua (Jesus) Christ is the LORD our God.
You can see the post and threads here:
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/70785-jesus-god.html
You can see the post and threads here:
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/70785-jesus-god.html
C
Only in the sense of their thrones, as it was with Pharaoh and Joseph. Just as Joseph was the expressed image (exact duplicate) of what made Pharaoh Pharaoh, Jesus is the expressed image of God's essence. Just as when Joseph spoke, it was as though the Pharaoh speaking. Only Pharaoh's throne separated Joseph as a separate person. Likewise, the only thing which separates Jesus from the Father is their thrones, there is no other distinction between them, as it was with Pharaoh and Joseph . In all what Joseph was to the Pharaoh, Jesus is to the Father. And, one day all things shall be returned back to the Father, just as it was returned to the Pharaoh.
But then we are left asking ourselves when all things are returned to the Father, "will Father degrade His Son when all things have been returned to Him?" Is He not the victorious King of kings and Lord of lords? Shall not the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb be the temple of the New Jerusalem? Shall He not be the Light of that city? Shall not the water of life proceed from the throne of God and the Lamb in that city?
As long as Joseph was alive, he was, in all essence, Pharaoh himself. Likewise, in all infinity, Jesus will continue being God Himself. Yet, even in that eternal kingdom, the only thing which separates them is their thrones. Long live our King!! Long live our Lord!! And from their thrones flow the water of life......
But then we are left asking ourselves when all things are returned to the Father, "will Father degrade His Son when all things have been returned to Him?" Is He not the victorious King of kings and Lord of lords? Shall not the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb be the temple of the New Jerusalem? Shall He not be the Light of that city? Shall not the water of life proceed from the throne of God and the Lamb in that city?
As long as Joseph was alive, he was, in all essence, Pharaoh himself. Likewise, in all infinity, Jesus will continue being God Himself. Yet, even in that eternal kingdom, the only thing which separates them is their thrones. Long live our King!! Long live our Lord!! And from their thrones flow the water of life......
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God, Jesus, Holy Spirit.
Three SEPERATE persons explained to us in Scripture, ONE GOD .
Can the God of the universe make HImself manifest into Jesus sitting on the Great White Throne of Judgment, to JUDGE all to DEATH into the Lake of Fire, to judge all His, via the Bema Seat Judgment (seperate from the GWTJ ^ ) into heaven with rewards given for our works done on Earth ? YOU BET, HE CAN
Three SEPERATE persons explained to us in Scripture, ONE GOD .
Can the God of the universe make HImself manifest into Jesus sitting on the Great White Throne of Judgment, to JUDGE all to DEATH into the Lake of Fire, to judge all His, via the Bema Seat Judgment (seperate from the GWTJ ^ ) into heaven with rewards given for our works done on Earth ? YOU BET, HE CAN
K
But this great work you have done can all be cnacelled by your understanding of Ginomai in vs. 14. If egeneto ("became" flesh) implies a change of nature rather than an addition to nature, then the "Word" might no longer be God once incarnated. In fact, the same verse calls His glory the glory "as of an only begotten of God". If it had said glory "of God" there would be less question as to the sense in which egeneto applies. Worse, since the tense is 2nd aorist, whatever the Word was on earth is suggested to be a permanent change.
You make an excellent point. We know from Phil. 2 that the change of μορφὴν relates to function rather than nature. No matter what μορφὴν he assumes, he is still God. He cannot un-god himself. What Paul does not suggest in Phi. 2 is that there was ever a reversal of this μορφὴν. In fact he will say later in 1 Tim 2:5, "there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, ..." Apparently, he is still man - glorified man. It would seem that he continues to occupy this μορφὴν of Phil. 2.
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]THECORRECT UNDERSTANDING OF THE GODHEAD[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]INTRODUCTION[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]God, all throughout the Old Testament did not have a body, but appeared to the people in different forms, such as the Burning Bush to Moses, the Cloud by day, and the Pillar of Fire by night, to the children of Israel. Though He sent His angels to many who appeared as men, but no one ever saw God in physical form until Jesus Christ was born. John 1:18 says, “No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, He hath declared Him”. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]GOD IS A SPIRIT[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Scripture states that, “God is a Spirit; and they that worship Him, must worship Him in Spirit and in Truth” (John 4:24). In Isaiah 43 and 45, we can read that God the Father said that He alone is God... "And [there is] no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; [there is] none beside Me."(Isa. 45:21) "Before Me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after Me. I, [even] I, [am] the LORD; and beside me [there is] No Saviour."[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] ([/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Isa. 43:10-11)[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]In these scriptures we can clearly see that there is only one God, (not two or three as others believe) for in His very First Commandment, Elohim (the self-existing One) solemnly said that "Thou shalt have NO other gods before Me..." (Exo. 20:3)[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]GOD'S THOUGHTS AND ATTRIBUTES[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Way back in eternity, before there ever was a star, a moon, or a galaxy, Elohim has eternal thoughts and attributes that He wanted to express and manifest for His own pleasure and glorification. He hath seen all things from the beginning, for He is infinite and all knowing. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Elohim wanted to be God. The word "God" means "an object of worship". But there was no one that worships Him at that time and so He then created the angels first, so that He as God is worshipped and is proclaimed as God almighty.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Elohim wanted to become a Father. Yet how can He be called a "Father" when He Himself has no children? And so in God's mind He wanted to create sons and daughters unto himself so that He could become their Father. Thus, we know that this plan of God was fulfilled and manifested later on. He created Adam and from him He took Eve. It's a type of the church which was taken from the body of Christ, for the Bible says, "we are flesh of His flesh, and bones of His bones."[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Elohim wanted to become a Saviour. But you see, how can He become a Saviour when there's no one to be saved in the first place? There has to be a fallen entity first before He could ever display his attributes as a Saviour. We can therefore conclude from this case that God hath foreseen the fall of man and He permitted man to fall from grace in order for God to fulfill His majestic plan of saving them. Man was placed as a "free moral agency" to choose for himself between good and evil. Adam and Eve fell for the wrong choice. But God prepared the solution for sin even before the foundation of the world. Revelation 13:8 tells us that the "Lamb was slain "before" the foundation of the world" to act as an atonement for sin. And God wrote our names (God's elected seed) in the Lamb's Book of Life even before man could ever commit sin. Christ came to redeem these predestinated seed. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Elohim wanted to be a Healer, too. Yet how can He become a Healer when there's nobody sick? There has to be a sickness first before He could be a Healer. Which was first, the sickness or the Healer? We can then conclude from here that sicknesses and afflictions are part of God's permissive will to man in order to show and manifest to mankind His attributes of being a Healer. Psalms 103:2-3 states, "Bless the LORD, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits: who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth ALL thy diseases." Consider the afflictions of Job, blind Bartimaeous, the woman with the blood issue, and more. They just declared the glory and healing power of God and served as testimonials of God's grace through each generation.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]God also wanted to manifest Himself as a King, as a Priest, and as a Judge. So there has to be a kingdom set-up, a holy tabernacle set-up, and a judgment bar set up. These are His eternal thoughts and intentions before the foundation of the world, to get glory unto Himself.
Yet God knew that as a Spirit He will never be able to fulfill these plans of his without having a "body" that will act out His plans. For example, it is written in His Law that “Almost all things are by the Law purged with blood; and without the shedding of blood is no remission” (Hebrews 9:22). Redemption requires death. Can a Spirit bleed and die? [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]It takes BLOOD, therefore, to pay the penalty for sin. Yet no man's blood, no angel, no priest, no animal's blood, was ever worthy to redeem man in his fallen estate. God must do it Himself, for there is no Saviour but Him alone. He must do it in order to show that He alone is the ONLY Redeemer. In Isaiah 45:22, God said, “Look unto Me, and be ye saved, for I AM God, and there is none else.” “Thou shalt know no God but Me; for there is NO SAVIOUR BESIDE ME”. (Hosea 13:4).[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]God is the only Saviour there is. The key to the whole mystery of the Godhead is this. God knew that He, as God, could not die and bleed in the Spirit, for a Spirit has no flesh and bones. His own law required blood for an atonement.
So in order for God to fulfill His plan of redeeming mankind, He had to put on a veil of flesh, in order to taste death and pay the penalty for His own law, to justify the ungodly. That is to fulfill Romans 3:28, “Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.” “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast” (Eph.2:8,9).[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]THOUGHTS EXPRESSED INTO "WORD"[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]God, then began to express Himself from eternity, by His spoken Word. Time began when God started speaking. This great Fountain of Spirit which had no beginning or no end, began to express His attributes by the Spoken Word. Out of the existence of the Father went out the "Logos", which was the Word, which was God's "Theophany". It was was a visible body of the great Jehovah God going forth in the beginning. [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]It was called the "Logos", which in the original Greek, means “something spoken; which includes the thoughts of the Speaker".[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
That Logos was God's "express image". It was God Himself made into Word. [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]That Logos that went out from the great eternal Spirit was called the "Son" of God. It was the only visible form that this Spirit had. And It was a "theophany", which means a celestial body, and that body was like a "man". [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Time, then, began when that "Logos" came out of God, as evident in the succeeding scripture. [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]John 1:1-3, "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made” ..And the Word was made flesh and dwelt amongst us.” (John 1:1-3, 14).
From that "theophany" is where man was also created by God, after His own image, which was a "spirit-man":[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"And God said, Let US make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.[/FONT]"[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](Genesis 1:26,27[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]).
The "Let US make man in OUR own image" in the above verse refers to God the Father (the great Spirit) talking, speaking to His Theophany Body, which was His begotten Son. We can see here that man was created from that pattern, with both spirit and body realms. We were never created from the image of angels. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Rev. Branham taught this: "You will never be an Angel. God made Angels, but God made man. And what God does is off of God, which is as eternal as God is. And man's just as eternal as his Creator, because he was made from eternity. (HEBREWS CHAPTER 5 AND 6, JEFF, IN 57-0908M). "[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Brother, I'm telling you; I believe in the resurrection. God will speak one of these days, and we'll come forth in His image and in His likeness, men and women, not angels, but men and women. God made Angels; we'll never be Angels. We wasn't made for Angels. Men are made men. God made man. He intends him to be man. It's God's pattern." (EL.SHADDAI.title LA.CA 59-0416)[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The "theophany", which was the Son, is also what's spoken of in [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Colossians 1:15-17, which reads: "Who is the IMAGE of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: and He is before all things, and by him all things consist." [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]That theophany of God was then made FLESH on earth later on in the Person of Jesus Christ Jesus through the womb of Mary. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Revelation 3:14 speaks of Jesus as the "Beginning of the Creation of God". That is Who the Lord Jesus says He is. But those words don't mean exactly as they sound to us. Just taking them the way they sound has made some people (in fact multitudes of people) get the idea that Jesus was the first creation of God, making Him lower than Godhead. Then this first creation created all the rest of the universe and whatsoever it contains. But that is NOT right. You know that doesn't line up with the rest of the Bible. The words are, "He is the BEGINNER or AUTHOR of the creation of God."
Now we know for a surety that Jesus is God, very God. He is the Creator. John 1:3 "All things were made by Him, and without Him was not any thing made that was made." He is the One of Whom it is said, Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth". Also it says in Exodus 20:11, "For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day." See, there is no doubt that He is the Creator. He was the Creator of a FINISHED PHYSICAL CREATION.
Surely we can see what these words mean now. To have any other interpretation would mean that God created God. How could God be created when He, Himself, is the Creator? [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]GOD MANIFESTED IN FLESH[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]And thus, God fulfilled His plan of salvation, the fulfillment which is written in 1 Timothy 3:16 which states: “And without controversy, great is the mystery of Godliness, God was manifest in the flesh.”
When was God manifested in flesh? It was when Jesus Christ was born through a woman; without any resulting sexual act but it was God Himself making both hemoglobin and egg cells in the womb of Mary, God Himself taking the form of a man.
Jesus Christ was the FLESH of God, none other than God Himself creating a BODY of His own. That fleshly BODY was called the “SON”, while the SPIRIT indwelling that body was the “FATHER”. Not two Gods now, but God veiling Himself in FLESH. That’s the reason Jesus said "I and My Father are one." (John 10:30). [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Philip, the apostle, one time said to Jesus (John 14:8-9), “Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.” And Jesus answered him saying, “ Have I been with you so long and yet hast thou not known Me, Philip? He that hath SEEN ME hath seen the Father.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The name "Jesus" means "Jehovah has become our Saviour". Jesus was also called “Emmanuel”, meaning, “God WITH us”, God dwelling with men.
When the Father decided to come down as our Saviour, He put on a robe of flesh and planted Himself, as a seed, in the womb of Mary. This seed was to produce the flesh and blood of the Body He would dwell in as the Son, Jesus Christ. Jesus is God becoming man, to redeem man back to Himself. God could not die in the Spirit because He's eternal. But He had to put on a MASK and ACT the part of death. He did die, but He couldn't do it in His God form. He had to do it in SON form, as a Son of Man on earth.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]JESUS, THE IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Apostle Paul says this about Jesus in Collosians 2:9-10: “For in HIM all the FULLNESS of the GODHEAD dwells BODILY, and ye are complete in Him, which is the Head of all principality and power”...”In Whom we have REDEMPTION through His BLOOD, even the forgiveness of sins : Who is the IMAGE of the INVISIBLE GOD... And He is before all things, and by Him all things consists” (Collosians 1:14,15,17).
JESUS, therefore, is the EXPRESS IMAGE of the unseen God, God creating a FLESH-BODY of His own. And man could have never seen God except through Jesus Christ, the FLESH of God.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]THREE DISPENSATION OF THE ONE GOD [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]“God ABOVE Us” - that’s how God was known in the Old Testament, in the Fatherhood dispensation. God dwelling in the heavenlies, where no man could ever touch Him.
When the the time for the Sonship dispensation came, fulfilling the prophesy of Isaiah 9:6 which says, “For to us a child is born, for to us a SON is given: the government shall be upon His shoulder; and His Name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty GOD, and everlasting FATHER, Prince of Peace”, these all pertain to the FLESH of God - JESUS, being God Himself becoming Emmanuel, which being interpreted “God WITH us” - God Who can now be touched by the feeling of our infirmities.
It was God also fulfilling Isaiah 53:5, “But He (God) was WOUNDED for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon Him: and by His stripes we are healed” - all fulfilled and completed at the Cross of Calvary.
In these last days, after Jesus has been resurrected and glorified, God has sent us back His Holy Spirit, the Comforter, to indwell every believer. Thus, we are now living in the HOLY GHOST Dispensation.
As 1 Cor. 6:19-20 states, “What? Know ye not that your body is the TEMPLE of the Holy Ghost which is IN YOU, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify GOD IN YOUR BODY, and in your spirit which are God’s.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]THE SPIRIT OF JESUS IN THE CHURCH[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]JESUS is that self-same Holy Spirit; as He has attested in John 14:18, saying, “I will not leave you comfortless, “I“ (Personal Pronoun) WILL COME TO YOU.” “I will be with you, even IN YOU until the end of the world.” Galatians 4:6 states this, too, “And because ye are sons, God has sent forth the SPIRIT of His SON into your hearts, crying Abba, Father.”
Jesus’ own Spirit is now “God IN Us”, the “Hope of Glory” (Colossians 1:27). It is the SELF-SAME GOD all the time, never changing His power, just changed His form from the heavenly to the earthly, and then back again as the Great Spirit, after having fulfilled His great redemptive story.
He was “GOD ABOVE US” in His Fatherhood dispensation; “GOD WITH US” in His Sonship dispensation; and now “GOD IN US” in the Holy Spirit dispensation.
Jesus said, “ I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA, the Beginning and the Ending, saith the Lord, Which IS, WHICH WAS, and WHICH IS TO COME, THE ALMIGHTY” (Rev.1:8) Not three persons in One God but ONE GOD in three dispensations. [/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]JESUS IS BOTH MAN AND GOD[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Jesus, talking to the Jews one day, said, “Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he was glad.” Then said the Jews unto Him, ‘thou art not yet fifty years old and hast thou seen Abraham?’ Jesus said unto them, “Verily, verily, I say unto you, before Abraham was, I AM” (John 8:56-58).
Who was the great “I AM”? Remember the burning fire that talked with Moses on the holy mountain? That was the “I AM”, the self-same Jesus speaking to the Jews. They could not see that Jesus was their own God VEILED IN FLESH.
"The Jews answered him saying, “For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that Thou, being man, makest Thyself God” (John 10:33). They really failed to see that He was the Emmanuel - both MAN and GOD. Jesus also is the WORD that became FLESH and dwelt amongst us (John 1:1,14).
JESUS certainly was a man weeping at the grave of Lazarus. But when He shouted, “Lazarus, come forth!”, and a dead man, four days and stinking, arose and lived again - that was more than a MAN! Who can raise the dead but God alone.
He was a man hungry that night looking on a tree for something to eat. But when He took five bread and two fishes and feed five thousand - that was more than a man. That was the creator, JEHOVAH!
He was a man laying on the ship that night, tired and asleep, while the waves come up. But once he arose and rebuked the winds and the waves and said, “Peace be still!”. That was more than a man. That was God Who can control all nature.
It was a man crying for mercy at the cross, “My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?” But on Easter morning, when He broke the seals of death, hell and grave, and rose up again and said, “I AM HE that was dead, and behold, I AM ALIVE FOREVERMORE!” Who was that? That was the same God Who also said, “ I have power to lay my life down, and raise it up again” (John 10:18).[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]JESUS, BACK TO A “PILLAR OF FIRE”[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Let us remember that after Jesus’ death, burial and resurrection, Jesus ascended up into the heavens. And when SAUL of Tarsus was on His road to Damascus to persecute the Christians (Read Acts 9:1-5), a BIG LIGHT, a PILLAR of FIRE struck him, and he asked, “LORD, who are You?” SAUL knew that It was the same Pillar of FIRE that appeared to Moses, but that Pillar of FIRE answered him, saying, “I AM JESUS, whom thou persecutest.” See, He had TURNED BACK, exactly back to THE SAME FORM before He took on a tabernacle of FLESH - the Pillar of FIRE that met Moses in the wilderness.
Remember, It was the SAME Pillar of Fire that came to PETER that night and loosed him out of the prison cell (Read Acts 12:5-7).
That SAME Pillar of Fire (Cloven Tongues of Fire) appeared on the Day of PENTECOST and set on each of those at the upper room, dividing Himself, giving part of His Spirit among His church (Acts 2).
Peter declared in Acts 2:36, “Let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God hath made that SAME JESUS, whom ye have crucified, BOTH LORDAND CHRIST”. There He is - LORD (Fatherhood), JESUS (Sonship), CHRIST (Anointed Holy Ghost) - The LORD JESUS CHRIST, the complete manifestation of the ONE TRUE GODFinally, consider this: Who was the FATHER of Jesus? Matthew 1:18 says, “She (Mary) was found with child of the HOLY GHOST.” But Jesus Himself claimed that GOD was His FATHER. Therefore, God the Father and God the Holy Ghost make the Father and the Spirit ONE, OR ELSE JESUS HAD TWO FATHERS. But notice also that Jesus said that “I and My FATHER ARE ONE”, NOT TWO. That makes ONE GOD, NOT THREE.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The entire Bible does not say a thing about a First or Second or Third Person in a ONE GOD. The mystery is found in 1 Timothy 3:16: “And without controversy, great is the MYSTERY of Godliness, GOD was manifest in the FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles; believed on in the world, received up into glory”. The ONE TRUE GOD was manifest in the FLESH. That’s how SIMPLE it is. GOD CAME IN A HUMAN FORM. That didn’t make Him another God. He was GOD, THE SAME GOD.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]If you cannot accept this TRUTH of the Godhead, but refute it, Jesus said that you are still living in SIN; for He said in John 8:24, “For if ye believe NOT that I AM HE (God), ye shall die in your sins”. “He that believeth not the SON shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him” (John 3:36).[/FONT]
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JESUS IS JEHOVAH MADE FLESH
JEHOVAH of the Old Testament is JESUS of the New Testament. That is the great MYSTERY of the Godhead. NOT THREE GODS, but THREE DISPENSATIONS and three OFFICES of the same ONE GOD. Never can we find any Scripture that declares that there are THREE GODS in the Holy Writ. If you do, you are breaking the First Commndment which says, “I alone am GOD, thou shalt have no other Gods before Me.” GOD Himself declared in Isaiah 45:21 that, “There is NO GOD BESIDE ME; a just God and Saviour, THERE IS NONE BESIDE ME.”
JESUS confirmed this truth in Mark 12:29 saying, “The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is ONE LORD”.
The whole thing was JEHOVAH GOD condescending Himself from His heavenly estate to an earthly body He called JESUS, fulfilling His sovereign purpose of becoming Saviour, Redeemer and Healer by shedding His OWN BLOOD as the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.
”Of Whom as concerning the FLESH, CHRIST came, Who is OVER ALL, GOD Blessed Forever” (Romans 9:5). AMEN
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Jesus, talking to the Jews one day, said, “Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he was glad.” Then said the Jews unto Him, ‘thou art not yet fifty years old and hast thou seen Abraham?’ Jesus said unto them, “Verily, verily, I say unto you, before Abraham was, I AM” (John 8:56-58).
Who was the great “I AM”? Remember the burning fire that talked with Moses on the holy mountain? That was the “I AM”, the self-same Jesus speaking to the Jews. They could not see that Jesus was their own God VEILED IN FLESH.
"The Jews answered him saying, “For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that Thou, being man, makest Thyself God” (John 10:33). They really failed to see that He was the Emmanuel - both MAN and GOD. Jesus also is the WORD that became FLESH and dwelt amongst us (John 1:1,14).
JESUS certainly was a man weeping at the grave of Lazarus. But when He shouted, “Lazarus, come forth!”, and a dead man, four days and stinking, arose and lived again - that was more than a MAN! Who can raise the dead but God alone.
He was a man hungry that night looking on a tree for something to eat. But when He took five bread and two fishes and feed five thousand - that was more than a man. That was the creator, JEHOVAH!
He was a man laying on the ship that night, tired and asleep, while the waves come up. But once he arose and rebuked the winds and the waves and said, “Peace be still!”. That was more than a man. That was God Who can control all nature.
It was a man crying for mercy at the cross, “My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?” But on Easter morning, when He broke the seals of death, hell and grave, and rose up again and said, “I AM HE that was dead, and behold, I AM ALIVE FOREVERMORE!” Who was that? That was the same God Who also said, “ I have power to lay my life down, and raise it up again” (John 10:18).[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]JESUS, BACK TO A “PILLAR OF FIRE”[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Let us remember that after Jesus’ death, burial and resurrection, Jesus ascended up into the heavens. And when SAUL of Tarsus was on His road to Damascus to persecute the Christians (Read Acts 9:1-5), a BIG LIGHT, a PILLAR of FIRE struck him, and he asked, “LORD, who are You?” SAUL knew that It was the same Pillar of FIRE that appeared to Moses, but that Pillar of FIRE answered him, saying, “I AM JESUS, whom thou persecutest.” See, He had TURNED BACK, exactly back to THE SAME FORM before He took on a tabernacle of FLESH - the Pillar of FIRE that met Moses in the wilderness.
Remember, It was the SAME Pillar of Fire that came to PETER that night and loosed him out of the prison cell (Read Acts 12:5-7).
That SAME Pillar of Fire (Cloven Tongues of Fire) appeared on the Day of PENTECOST and set on each of those at the upper room, dividing Himself, giving part of His Spirit among His church (Acts 2).
Peter declared in Acts 2:36, “Let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God hath made that SAME JESUS, whom ye have crucified, BOTH LORDAND CHRIST”. There He is - LORD (Fatherhood), JESUS (Sonship), CHRIST (Anointed Holy Ghost) - The LORD JESUS CHRIST, the complete manifestation of the ONE TRUE GODFinally, consider this: Who was the FATHER of Jesus? Matthew 1:18 says, “She (Mary) was found with child of the HOLY GHOST.” But Jesus Himself claimed that GOD was His FATHER. Therefore, God the Father and God the Holy Ghost make the Father and the Spirit ONE, OR ELSE JESUS HAD TWO FATHERS. But notice also that Jesus said that “I and My FATHER ARE ONE”, NOT TWO. That makes ONE GOD, NOT THREE.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The entire Bible does not say a thing about a First or Second or Third Person in a ONE GOD. The mystery is found in 1 Timothy 3:16: “And without controversy, great is the MYSTERY of Godliness, GOD was manifest in the FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles; believed on in the world, received up into glory”. The ONE TRUE GOD was manifest in the FLESH. That’s how SIMPLE it is. GOD CAME IN A HUMAN FORM. That didn’t make Him another God. He was GOD, THE SAME GOD.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]If you cannot accept this TRUTH of the Godhead, but refute it, Jesus said that you are still living in SIN; for He said in John 8:24, “For if ye believe NOT that I AM HE (God), ye shall die in your sins”. “He that believeth not the SON shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him” (John 3:36).[/FONT]
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JESUS IS JEHOVAH MADE FLESH
JEHOVAH of the Old Testament is JESUS of the New Testament. That is the great MYSTERY of the Godhead. NOT THREE GODS, but THREE DISPENSATIONS and three OFFICES of the same ONE GOD. Never can we find any Scripture that declares that there are THREE GODS in the Holy Writ. If you do, you are breaking the First Commndment which says, “I alone am GOD, thou shalt have no other Gods before Me.” GOD Himself declared in Isaiah 45:21 that, “There is NO GOD BESIDE ME; a just God and Saviour, THERE IS NONE BESIDE ME.”
JESUS confirmed this truth in Mark 12:29 saying, “The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is ONE LORD”.
The whole thing was JEHOVAH GOD condescending Himself from His heavenly estate to an earthly body He called JESUS, fulfilling His sovereign purpose of becoming Saviour, Redeemer and Healer by shedding His OWN BLOOD as the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.
”Of Whom as concerning the FLESH, CHRIST came, Who is OVER ALL, GOD Blessed Forever” (Romans 9:5). AMEN
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jesus is god , god is a spirit no man can see him the bible say it , he was manifest in flesh to proove it to humans , because they didn't belive that there is a God , read the book of matthew from the beginning and u will understand , furthermore how do u know that the word is true ? because everythg that is write inside have come to pass , and what is inside u can experience it , when u pray , u know god listen to u , because u feel it , and u belive the word 
i hope this help u , ask god to help u understand , and he will my dear
i hope this help u , ask god to help u understand , and he will my dear