Difference between God and Jesus

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
C

cfultz3

Guest
#281
#281
directline2iam said:
NOT TO CAUSE dissension,

So the Bible tells us that Jesus isn’t ‘God’s human son’, rather, that Jesus, who is co-eternal with God (that means that like God, he existed forever) became human. Jesus was like God - eternal and perfect - but he became human so that he could enter into our world and die for humans.

The Bible treats this as something to marvel at: ... Jesus Christ ‘though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.’ (Philippians 2:6-8)

The actual ‘mechanics’ of how God had a human son are not explained to us, but we are left in no doubt that Mary’s conception and pregnancy are miraculous - you could read chapter 1 of the gospel of Luke to see the angel tell Mary that she will fall pregnant.

The gospel of John, which is written in very symbolic language at the beginning, speaks about ‘the word becoming flesh’. ‘The word’ is Jesus - who was with God in the beginning - and he became flesh - this is what ‘incarnate’ means - to be made flesh.

This makes it clear that Jesus is the eternal God becoming human. It isn’t so much that God had a human son, but that God’s son became human for our sake.
Click to expand...
God the Word became flesh and took upon His fleshly self the name of Jesus. I agree that the Word is co-eternal with the Father. I agree that Jesus was God in the flesh. But, that the name Jesus was not known until God the Word came in the flesh. If you would, see John 1.
 
phil36

phil36

Senior Member
#282
Feb 12, 2009
8,272
2,126
113
#282
Hi Josh,

I don't believe what you believe, I believe in the Christian message. You have been shown time and time again that what you believe is false and what you are teaching here is false. It is heresy and dangerous.
 
J

josh123

Guest
#283
#283
cfultz3 said:
God the Word became flesh and took upon His fleshly self the name of Jesus. I agree that the Word is co-eternal with the Father. I agree that Jesus was God in the flesh. But, that the name Jesus was not known until God the Word came in the flesh. If you would, see John 1.
Click to expand...
Exactly God manifested himself in Jesus through the Holy ghost
 
J

josh123

Guest
#284
#284
phil36 said:
Hi Josh,

I don't believe what you believe, I believe in the Christian message. You have been shown time and time again that what you believe is false and what you are teaching here is false. It is heresy and dangerous.
Click to expand...
how can it be false when i prove what i was saying by the bible, who really is the false one? your trying to tell me that there is 3 beings who is one but i'm telling you that there is One god in different administrations who really is the false one? i even prove by the scripture that God is One and not 3
 
phil36

phil36

Senior Member
#285
Feb 12, 2009
8,272
2,126
113
#285
Hi Josh,

You didn't prove anything apart from the fact that you do not believe in Jesus of scripture.. Seriously ask yourself where does that leave you?
 
C

cfultz3

Guest
#286
#286
josh123 said:
... I'ts one God only One god not 3 Gods or 3 in 1 ONE God in different administrations how is that believing in the trinity just telling you what is the truth
Click to expand...
This is what we have been telling you. Jesus is God the Word in the flesh. If you believe the Holy Spirit is God and the Father is God, and the Son was the Word in the flesh..then you believe in the administration of the Trinity.
 
J

josh123

Guest
#287
#287
phil36 said:
Hi Josh,

You didn't prove anything apart from the fact that you do not believe in Jesus of scripture.. Seriously ask yourself where does that leave you?
Click to expand...
more like where does that leave you? i've proven my point from the scriptures but you choose not to accept it and throwing wild accusations at me because i'm speaking against what you believing and proving at by the scriptures
 
J

josh123

Guest
#288
#288
cfultz3 said:
This is what we have been telling you. Jesus is God the Word in the flesh. If you believe the Holy Spirit is God and the Father is God, and the Son was the Word in the flesh..then you believe in the administration of the Trinity.
Click to expand...
that's the twisting part there.. before i continue tell me exactly what you believe me, i will show you what i'm trying to tell you, There is One God not 3 in 1 One single God in different administrations what are you trying to tell me now so we can make this clear
 
C

cfultz3

Guest
#289
#289
josh123 said:
do you see what you are saying.. read what you just said " The Trinity is three persons in One being called God. " that is pretty much trying to say it's 3 different person that combined together to form one God... it's only One God
Click to expand...
There will be two thrones in the new Kingdom, the throne of the Almighty God and of the Lamb = two
The Word, as the resurrected Christ, received His Godly throne back = two
Jesus is the expressed image of God's essence = Jesus is God
There are three who bears record in Heaven = the Father, the Word, the Holy Spirit = 3

Yet, there is but one God who is working all in all.
 
J

josh123

Guest
#290
#290
not trinity of beings it's One being in a trinity, father, son and holy ghost is one true manifested God
 
phil36

phil36

Senior Member
#291
Feb 12, 2009
8,272
2,126
113
#291
josh123 said:
more like where does that leave you? i've proven my point from the scriptures but you choose not to accept it and throwing wild accusations at me because i'm speaking against what you believing and proving at by the scriptures
Click to expand...
Your right Josh I do not accept it and neither has the last 2000 years of Christianity. I am not throwing a wild accusation. It is what the church has always said.. Heresy.

And the conclusion is that if you do not believe who Jesus says he is, the that is not a Christian belief. That is why I said to you early on in this thread to seriously think about it. Many have given you many examples from scripture.

I know what you are saying but it is not in scripture n matter how hard you try and make it fit.
 
J

josh123

Guest
#292
#292
cfultz3 said:
There will be two thrones in the new Kingdom, the throne of the Almighty God and of the Lamb = two
The Word, as the resurrected Christ, received His Godly throne back = two
Jesus is the expressed image of God's essence = Jesus is God
There are three who bears record in Heaven = the Father, the Word, the Holy Spirit = 3

Yet, there is but one God who is working all in all.
Click to expand...
exactly lol.. so where was the argument in the first place One God in different administrations
 
J

josh123

Guest
#293
#293
phil36 said:
Your right Josh I do not accept it and neither has the last 2000 years of Christianity. I am not throwing a wild accusation. It is what the church has always said.. Heresy.

And the conclusion is that if you do not believe who Jesus says he is, the that is not a Christian belief. That is why I said to you early on in this thread to seriously think about it. Many have given you many examples from scripture.

I know what you are saying but it is not in scripture n matter how hard you try and make it fit.
Click to expand...
What exactly are you talking about where did i ever say Jesus isn't who he say he is? " I know what you are saying but it is not in scripture n matter how hard you try and make it fit. " and what i'm saying is the scripture so i don't get the point your getting at it's just you won't accept it because it goes against what you know
 
C

cfultz3

Guest
#294
#294
josh123 said:
Exactly God manifested himself in Jesus through the Holy ghost
Click to expand...
No.
The Word manifested Himself as human. He humbled Himself from His estate. That being so, Jesus received the Spirit without measure, because He truly was human. But, that Godly throne He left behind when He came down to be amongst man, He received back. The Word sets in Heaven at the very moment as the resurrected Son, flesh and bone (no blood). The Word did not give up His Godhood for eternity, but it says that He was made lower then the angels for a little while. If He was made lower than the angels, then He must have been higher than them to begin with. The Word, as the resurrected Christ, received worship by those angels. If He receives worship by those angels, then HE IS GOD.
 
C

cfultz3

Guest
#295
#295
josh123 said:
not trinity of beings it's One being in a trinity, father, son and holy ghost is one true manifested God
Click to expand...
And that is what we are saying. ONE GOD = three different manifestations
 
phil36

phil36

Senior Member
#296
Feb 12, 2009
8,272
2,126
113
#296
josh123 said:
What exactly are you talking about where did i ever say Jesus isn't who he say he is? " I know what you are saying but it is not in scripture n matter how hard you try and make it fit. " and what i'm saying is the scripture so i don't get the point your getting at it's just you won't accept it because it goes against what you know
Click to expand...


God is one, yet three separate persons. not one God manifesting himself in different guises at different times.
 
C

cfultz3

Guest
#297
#297
josh123 said:
exactly lol.. so where was the argument in the first place One God in different administrations
Click to expand...
I do not know, Josh. When did you accept the 3 administrations of God? Surely, we have not been talking all this while for no reason?
 
C

cfultz3

Guest
#298
#298
phil36 said:
God is one, yet three separate persons. not one God manifesting himself in different guises at different times.
Click to expand...
Josh, if this is what you mean, then I agree with Phil here. There are 3 separate individuals of the Godhead. There are three who bear record in Heaven.
 
A

Ariel82

Guest
#299
#299
josh123 said:
Exactly God manifested himself in Jesus through the Holy ghost
Click to expand...
So are you saying Jesus is just another Prophet like Elijah or Elisha who had the Holy Spirit manifested in them?

Are you saying you believe Jesus the Word of God is a created being?

A simple yes or no suffice.

the questions are for both Josh and Silas.

just want to clarify what is being discussed here.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
HeRoseFromTheDead

HeRoseFromTheDead

Senior Member
#300
Sep 4, 2012
14,424
691
113
#300
Question for all. Did Jesus exist in the flesh before the incarnation?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.