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[truth1]

This is a translation of a Polish article. Below is about a half of the whole article. I will add translation of the second part later because you can only post 20 000 characters here. So far, I wish you good reading.


Rapture evokes many emotions among Christians. It is a delicate subject and often causes sharp discussions. Bible doesn't tell us much about this future event. This is the reason why it is the least understood subject in the Bible. Some claim that rapture will occur before the great tribulation, others say it will be during this event, there are also groups that think that the tribulation will be ended with rapture.
The least understandable is the fact that many Christians seem to neglect this very important subject. The most often reason to deny rapture is the fact that this doctrine appeared as late as in 1830, in a vision of 15 year's old girl, Margaret McDonald. The first booster of this teaching was John Nelson Darby. It is claimed that in the vision he described there is a term of rapture before the great tribulation. That's not true.
The first Christians taught about rapture, as long as Rome put it to an end.

Why should we inquire for the details !

Many claim that we should not examine the end of times and wait for the hour because..'none knows day or hour'. But watching is our biblical obligation. Future events prophecised in the Bible will surely suprise the satan's world but not those who will watch.

Matthew 24:32 Now learn the parable from the figtree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near; 33 so, you too, when you see all these things,recognize that He is near, right at the door.…

It is the Christian's duty to observe the world's events - it is God's commandment.

Reason for misunderstanding Rapture.

Due to the lack of understanding of the Bible's most important doctrine there is an exceptional mess in this subject and the principal religions are the last that would like to explain the essence of Rapture or escape. Different religions interpret Rapture in different ways:
- rapture before the tribulation
- rapture during the tribulation
- rapture right in the moment before Armageddon
- no mentioning of rapture or escape

All these disagreements are caused by a total lack of understanding of the reason and the essence of Rapture.
Two major concepts are being confused: the coming of Jesus like a thief in the night and his return to..settle Kingdom on Earth.
The verses from the Bible are not inconsistent but misunderstood. The lack of understanding of God's Kingdom subject is the main reason. So we have two separate events.

First coming of Jesus - invisible - visible only to the chosen ones.

It is not His return but it is a secret arrival to rapture the 144 000 chosen ones into heaven. They are so called first fruits of the harvest. They will be well prepared for the coming of Jesus in the beginning of the End Times. It is a great privilege for them - a reward for watching and informing the others about Christ's plans. The 144 000 are the group for which Jesus prepared Rapture as an escape from satan's hateful attacks.

Second coming - return of Christ, visible for everyone in order to take over the Earth.

It is Christ's return with the 144 000 raptured before in order to free Earth from the Beast, its army and kings. It is the time of setting God's Kingdom on Earth that will remove all the earthly rulers and their armies. There will be a final battle called Armageddon - the battle of Christ's army and his army of 144 000 against the satan's forces.
So the first event will be the Rapture of 144 000 and after 3,5 years of tribulation there will be Christ's return with his army of 144 000 apparently being prepared during these 3,5 years to fight satan's forces.

The need of proper understanding the prophecies.

The main problem which blocks proper understanding of many other prophecies is understanding the Bible's most important subject - God's Kingdom on Earth. The gospel is a Good News about a planned God's Kingdom and Christ's Return on Earth to settle a 1000 year Kingdom. This future event is inevitably connected with the removal of present earthly kingdoms which are responsible for all the wars and crimes of satan's world.
Most religions, sects or churches don't understand or rather don't want to understand that the main subject of the Bible is the coming of God's Kingdom. Unfortunately for them any other research is convicted to fail, and almost everything loses the meaning, including the Gospel and the whole Bible.
What we are left with is an interesting question. Why almost all the christian denominations except for the Jehovah Witnesses neither understand nor proclaim God's Kingdom ?
The answer is simple. This subject is hated by the satan and all the informations revealing its details are exceptionally inconvenient for him. The satan's main target are christian religions which are almost totally controlled by him.
Does it mean that Jehovah's Witnesses is a true religion ? Not at all ! In fact God's Kingdom is one of the very few truths proclaimed by this masonic religion or sect. But they don't mention the Rapture at all.

3 groups of saved.

Bible indicates three groups of Christians, chosen to live in God's Kingdom

1. little herd -144 000 of the most faithfull Israelites
2. big herd -Woman from the Revelation's 12th chapter - it stands for complete 12 tribes of Israel.
3. The Great Multitude - these are..the sheep not from the herd (non-Israelites) but a spiritual offspring of the Woman.

John 10:16 And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd.

The little herd are the 144 000 most faithful and the most beloved servants of Christ, beginning with the apostles and followers.When Jesus was on Earth there was only a fragment of the real Israel on Earth -mainly the generation of Levi and Judah. The rest was dispersed. From all these generations Christ will personally choose 144 000 co-kings.

Revelation 7:1 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God.He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea. Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God. Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel. From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben 12,000, from the tribe of Gad 12,000, from the tribe of Asher12,000, from the tribe of Naphtali12,000, from the tribe of Manasseh12,000, from the tribe of Simeon 12,000,from the tribe of Levi 12,000, from the tribe of Issachar 12,000, from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000, from the tribe of Joseph 12,000, from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000.

Other verses speaking of the heavenly award: Matthew 5:12, 1Peter 1:4, Revelation 19:1, Matthew 6:20, 22:30, 23:13, Revelation 5:3.

The big herd are the 12 tribes of Israel, which lost the status of Chosen Nation in the past by one-sidedly breaking the Covenant with God. But it does not mean losing chance for salvation. The Covenant settled on Mount Sinai was broken, but the covenant between God and Abraham is still being fulfilled by God. From the loins of Abraham there was meant to emerge a numerous offspring that would finally inherit the whole Earth.
Today there are still the full 12 tribes of Israel but informations on this have been precisely hidden for ages. Supposedly 10 tribes of Israel existed in the times of Christ ! It is not todays Israel, those who claim to be Jews but are not them at all.
Israel is a satanic creation of the world governed by Satan.Only a part of the real Israelites, that's orthodox Jews, are descendants of Judah and Levi.

James 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ,To the twelve tribes scattered among the nations: Greetings.

The Great Multitude coming from the Great Tribulation consists of many people from different nations that in the End Times will recognize their King and join the Israelites.

Revelation 7:9 After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands, 10 10 And they cried out in a loud voice:“Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb.” ...14 I answered, “Sir, you know.”And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

The Woman from Revelation 12

This is the same Woman that the first biblical prophecy from Genesis 3:15 tells us about.

And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.

The Woman is the chosen group of Israelites. The most faithful servants of God who were and are guided by the Holy Spirit. Those servants are the patriarchs, apostles and present-day servants thanks to whom the Truth is proclaimed.
Biblical terminology recognizes woman as a symbol of religion.

The Woman of Revelation chapter 12 is the Nation Chosen by God, 12 generations of Israel.

Little herd of 144 000 - Rapture

Jesus in His astonishing mercy decided not to let the little herd be persecuted and save it from suffering that He experienced ! In this light His love to mankind obedient to His Father's will is almost difficult to imagine. And this is the reason Jesus decided to rapture the little herd and save it from the time of..Great Tribulation (3,5 years)

John 14:1 Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in me. 2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. 4 You know the way to the place where I am going.

A small part will receive God's special protection. There is a verse clearly suggesting Rapture.

Revelation 12:5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. 6 The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.

Again we have the significant period of 42 months (3,5 year) and many falsly claim that this prophecy tells us about Christ's birth from Mary (the woman) and His mission on Earth.

There is an interesing statement from verse 13 in Revelation chapter 12: When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child.
This prophecy is distinctly about the End Times. The male child was raptured to heaven ! This verse clearly speaks about rapture. Jesus was not raptured into heaven, He entered heaven of his Own free will. If the male child is not Christ then who is he ?

His characteristic feature are the reigns with an iron scepter. This verse is falsely associated with Christ who of course will also reign with an iron scepter, which symbolizes judgement ! Let's compare this with the Bible.

Revelation 2 :26 To the one who is victorious and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations— 27 that one ‘will rule them with an iron scepter and will dash them to pieces like pottery’—just as I have received authority from my Father. 28 I will also give that one the morning star.

The victor, the male child will receive authority over the nations. The verse clearly tells us about a group of winners, not a single man - the one that"does my will to the end".
"He will rule with an iron scepter" - also means executing God's judgements. Last sentence of verse27 - these are the words that Jesus speaks Himself, He received such authority from His Father and shares it with a male child symbolizing kings and priests.

Revelation 5:9 And they sang a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased for God persons from every tribe and language and people and nation. 10 You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth.”

Symbolical male child, the son of the Woman, illustrates those who are about to reign with Christ over the nations with an iron scepter. This an extraordinary privilege for the 144 000.

The verse below apparently concerns the times before the last battle of Armageddon, when the first fruits of the Lamb will be back on Earth and the synagogue of Satan will be forced to pay tribute to those chosen by Jesus.

Revelation 3:9 I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan,who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars--I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you.

Christ cherished those people very much and He will give them the biggest privilege, the same He received from His Father. This privelege is immortality. Second death has no power over them. Christ received such privelege thanks to his sacrifice from God.
In turn He decided to give the same privilege to His Bride, the 144 000 chosen ones, those who did not defile themselves with woman which means that spiritual harlotry was not found in them. Those chosen ones are symbolical virgins - the most rightous virgin Bride of the Lamb.
In the moment of their coming back there will be reigns of Christ's Bride among the enemies even before the final battle of Armageddon.

Psalm 110 1The Lord says to my Lord: “Sit at my righ thand, until I make your enemies your footstool.” 2 The Lord sends forth from Zion your mighty scepter. Rule in the midst of your enemies!

The rest of Psalm 110 is exceptional as well.

Psalm 110: 3 Your troops will be willing on your day of battle. Arrayed in holy majesty, from the womb of the dawn you will receive the dew of your youth. 4 The LORD has sworn and will not change his mind: "You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek." 5 The Lord is at your right hand; he will crush kings on the day of his wrath.

Those verses clearly announce the King of the Kingdom at the right hand of the Father and His army - the 144 000 !

Revelation 5:10 You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth.

Pay attention to the underlined fragments. Those chosen ones are made a kingdom and priests. Where will they rule ? On the Earth, because God's Kingdom will be on the Earth not in Heaven. Only a part of 144 000 will be in heaven and supposedly those 144 000 will be..travelling between Earth and heaven and conversly, according to the needs.
Shortly before the Great Tribulation aimed at Christianity there will be the last, charismatic king, called the Antichrist, who will takeover the Earth and reign for 3,5 years. Those 3,5 years will be the period which Revelation calls the Great Tribulation.

The Woman's escape

Revelation 12:13 When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14 The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for herin the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach.15 Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent. 16 But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. 17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.

It looks like satan will be hurled to the earth right before the period of 1260 days (3,5 year), that's before the start of the Great Tribulation.
Those verses apparently tell us about the Woman's escape. Jesus admonishes to the need of hurry and urgency. Lot's wife was hurried and lost her life. Destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah was planned for a precise time and Jesus is clearly relating to this need of hurry.
From His words it clearly emerges that those Israelites who will be awarded with such a distinction, will be given an order of an immediate escape - they should not delay but instantly accept this extraordinary chance. Even someone working at the rooftop should not come back to his house for anything nor the one in the field.

Matthew 24: 15 “So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel,standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let the one who is on the housetop not go down to take what is in his house, 18 and let the one who is in the field not turn back to take his cloak. 19 And alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days! 20 Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be.

One will be taken and the other left

- above is clearly not about executing the judgement of Armageddon.

 

[truth1]

Apparently there will be some event of which the seven thunders spoke that John didn't wrote down, because Chrsit didn't let him to. Most likely this event is deliberately not described in God's Word because He has not revealed it to anyone yet.
God's great mistery has not been revealed yet and we have too little information to solve this issue. It was not the time to give more detailed information.
And here is something interesting.

Revelation 12: 13 When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14 The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach. 15 Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent. 16 But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. 17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.

The dragon could not harm the woman and "went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring."

We have another confirmation that the Woman, except for the male child had another offspring as well. Definitely the woman doesn't represent Mary, the Mother of Jesus.
The Woman is the body of the chosen ones, escpecially favored God's servants, the real Israelites - full 12 generations of Israel -white race of Christianity including orthodox Judeans.
The woman is the Chosen Nation of God (12 tribes of Israel), spiritually reborn. The woman symbolically 'gives birth' to the new offspring that..keeps God's commands, this is it's most faithful part.

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the rest will be in about two weeks time, maybe a bit earlier.

 

[nathan3]

I would ask people why does the Original post leave out all the scriptures concerning this. And give mostly opinions passing them off as written, when they are not ?

 

[nathan3]

The Woman from Revelation 12 is the same Woman that the first biblical prophecy from Genesis 3:15 .


The Woman of Revelation chapter 12 is the Nation Chosen by God, 12 generations of Israel.

Little herd of 144 000 - Rapture

There is a verse clearly suggesting Rapture.


Again we have the significant period of 42 months (3,5 year) and many falsly claim that this prophecy tells us about

Christ's birth from Mary (the woman) and His mission on Earth.

There is an interesing statement from verse 13 in Revelation chapter 12: When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child.
This prophecy is distinctly about the End Times. The male child was raptured to heaven ! This verse clearly speaks about rapture. Jesus was not raptured into heaven,

He entered heaven of his Own free will. If the male child is not Christ then who is he ?

His characteristic feature are the reigns with an iron scepter is verse is falsely associated with Christ, who of course will also reign with an iron scepter, which symbolizes judgement ! Let's compare this with the Bible.


The victor, the male child will receive authority over the nations. The verse clearly tells us about a group of winners, not a single man - the one that"does my will to the end".

I will just want to show what should be obvious hopefully. The Original Post, attempts to convince the reader, that Christ is not mentioned in Revelation 12,,,, inserting " rapture" into the subject. To do this, they must muddy the real subject of Christ being the child.

The Child was born from those 12 Tribes, Mary being descendant. He was crucified, and called back to God. Every "Christian" should know that..

In the the Original Post quoted above, i focused on the Revelation 12, where the problem is....

I'm going to try to present scripture here that properly explains the part where Christ is mentioned. And You just look at the two, and see what fits.

I just want people to consider things before they just believe it without question..



I would ask people why does the Original post leave out all the scriptures concerning this. And give mostly opinions passing them off as written, when they are not ?

One of the Many odd things, is that they steal the understanding about Christ in Revelation 12 . They try to tell you , its not Christ being spoken of and that it means a rapture, when its far from any kind of rapture ..

Revelation 12:

5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Revelation 19:13-16

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.


Revelation 2:27

And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.


Psalms 2:

7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.



To back track Revelation chapter 12, the " man child " is Christ. It fits no other one. It is not a group flying off some where. It is Christ alone.




Revelation 12


1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

The women here in this case is Not the church , because the church has never given birth to a child.
The women Is "Israel", the twelve sons of Jacob, or tribes [John 16:21]. ( the crown of 12 stars ).



2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.





Revelation 12:2 "And she being with child, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered."

This "child" to be delivered is the Messiah, the woman delivering the child is the symbol of "Israel" from Eve, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob ; Christ would eventually be born from Mary. Satan's sole purpose to destroy this child. This woman is the wife ( Israel ) and the son of Almighty God, He wants us to feel and understand the events occurring then. What happens to them affects Him.



The "man child" that was brought forth in the little town of Bethlehem when Jesus the Christ child was born. There are only two events that sit upon this throne, and the only one to do this was a child. Get it? That child is Jesus Christ.

This verse covers two advents [comings]; the first is Christ's birth as a child, and His second coming. This will be at the seventh trumpet. ( Revelation 11: 15 ) Then He will come to rule all nations with a rod of iron. Jesus Christ will come as the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

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I can't see how anyone can try, to fit rapture into that, When its not there ?
Why didn't the O.P talk about 2nd Thessalonians 2, or Mark 13, Luke 21 Matthew 24: 15 , 22 , 23 - 30 . etc.

 

[truth1]

You're mixing verses to make an appearance that they are consistent in the way that you understand them. The male child is not Christ.
Christ will of course also rule the nations with an iron scepter ! Did you read carefully ?
Revelation 19:13 IS NOT about male child.
Revelation 2:27 confirms that male child and Christ are separate from each other ! Why are you confusing things ?

 

[truth1]

Revelation concerns the End Times, these are Christ's words that John wrote down. Male child IS NOT Christ, He is not prophecising His own birth !

1 The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. 3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.

 

[thewordwatcher]

Another important point is: if a child is Christ, this is not about End Times.

It's going further - if a child is Christ, the woman must be Mary.

And that creates another HUGE problem!

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

The prophecy is about times of the end 3.5 years, correct? The woman can't be Mary - because she is dead.

Who than is the remnant of her seed?

And again - verse Gen 3:15 is a the first prophecy and perfectly in accord with chapter 12 of Revelation.

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

A connection is obvious and perfectly logical.

 

[nathan3]

Another important point is: if a child is Christ, this is not about End Times.

It's going further - if a child is Christ, the woman must be Mary.

And that creates another HUGE problem!

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

The prophecy is about times of the end 3.5 years, correct? The woman can't be Mary - because she is dead.

Who than is the remnant of her seed?

And again - verse Gen 3:15 is a the first prophecy and perfectly in accord with chapter 12 of Revelation.

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

A connection is obvious and perfectly logical.

Revelation 12 is teaching many points in time all in one chapter..

As you get more familiar with what the Bible teaches then its clearer.

Rev 12:

Verse 1 you have mother Israel those 12 tribes that would be forth Christ.


This verse 2 """ the child to be delivered """ is Messiah . ( Christ teaching John 16:21 )

she being with child, are the 12 tribes, mentioned in the previous verse. This gives a recap of the past . Understand ?



verse 3, which I did not get into, gos father back into the past, to the " to Genesis 1: 1-2 first age Peter taught about."

This wonder, the "Great red dragon", is always Satan ( Rev. 12: 9 ). Here again, it is all happening in heaven, prior to Genesis 1:2, in the first earth age.

This verse 3 shows us the set up of his government he had in the Past.. When you get to Revelation 13, you are shown
The Dragon ( Satan's ) system for the future in our time. If, you read it, you'll note the difference.



The first half of Verse 4, you are shown in the Past, what Satan did with his Past system of control.
he drew a third of the stars of heaven ( sons of God. ) to follow him.. Thus causing the events we are in now. "Being cast/born to the earth"

The second half of verse 4, are just back to the formation of the 12 tribes and the birth of Christ. Satan is shown ready to attack mother Israel those 12 tribes, and her Child Christ would come from her.


In verse 5, Christ is born, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron ( I gave the scriptures that document that is referring to Christ ). Then we she her child ( Christ ) was caught up to God. Naturally Christ returned to God at His death on the cross ( Luke 22:69 ; 1 Peter 3:22 ) etc.

With the wording there, your given two "Advents " meaning Christ times he is here. First advent, was Him here being born to be Savior of the World ( to whom so ever will ). The Second advent, is His return to Rule all nations with a Rod of Iron . As its written..



Verse 6, is going now father into the future,close to where we are now..

Again, the women are those 12 tribes Israel ,the wilderness is this Earth she is in.

And she has a place here, prepared of God, through His promises even. that they would be come as numerous as the sands of the sea and the stars of heaven, and bless them through Christ ...



Following the resurrection, and putting these days into years, it would bring us up to the early 1800's A.D. ( our times now ) when the house of Israels nations became superpowers. That protection in the wilderness for those basic Christian nations, where by, God's word can be taught. etc.


Verse 7 - Now this verse deal with Future, from where we are now. which has not come to pass yet.


Revelation 12:7 "And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,,"

This event brings us back into heaven. The war is between Satan [the dragon] and his angels, who are fighting against Michael and his angels. Satan will lose.

Revelation 12:8 "And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven."

when Satan and his fallen angels are released upon the earth for the final five months period, spoken of in Revelation 9:5, 10. Satan will spend five months here on earth deceiving all mankind, then go to the pit for the thousand years. After that thousand years, Satan [not his fallen angels] will be released for a short period, then go to perdition [perish]. Once Satan is kicked out of heaven, he will not be allowed to return. Today Satan is in heaven accusing the saints before the Lord Like Michael said ( Revelation 12: 10 )

This is prophesy that will come in the very near future.

Revelation 12:9 "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceived the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."

So this is all future from hear on out basically . There is no rapture mentioned here. So i don't see how they are working that into it. It's a man made idea. But it does not fallow the order of events taught by Christ .

if you want a decent study on Revelation, i recommend this one, among others.

Just Thoughts The Book of Revelation Part 1 2013 - YouTube

 

[nathan3]

Another important point is: if a child is Christ, this is not about End Times.



Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Who than is the remnant of her seed?

Revelation 12:17 "And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."

Are you going to keep the commandments of God ? Do you know the differecen between the false Christ and real Christ? If so, you are part of this woman ( Christians ) Satan is warring against.

Satan is angry , yet you have the power over him. The war of the latter days is not fought with guns and rockets, but with words and doctrines, deception and, with concepts that come right out of the Bible. It is a spiritual warfare, and the battlefield is in your mind.
To be ready for that war, you must have your spiritual armor on and in place, and be ready to do spiritual battle with Satan . The dragon knows who you are very well, and he knows your weaknesses. That is the reason that we must be armed with the Spirit and Word of God, for it will be the Holy Spirit that speaks through you or some one that knows the truth in that day and hour..

It's really simple that remnant of her seed, are the Christians of today... Why ?

Because it spells it out for you! : ) """"keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.""""

Again, that is future. You have to get, that chapter 12, starts in the past, and then gos father into the past, then up into resent past, then jets on into the future. That Chapter covers a large history , span of time.

 

[thewordwatcher]

That chapter is all in the same period of time - time of the end 1260 days or 3.5 years - the same period of time.

Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. 6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. 14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

Again the same period of time. Satan never persecuted Mary after being cast from heaven.Of course seed of woman are Christians.

But the woman is Israel - full 12 tribes.

What that means?

12 tribes of Israel are white Christianity. Noah was white, white race are Caucasian, because Israel -10 tribes were in Caucasus, and from there they have conquered current Russia and the whole Europe, England include.

Than from England they emigrated to USA.

They have existed in Jesus times and they do exist today, of course. Search for lost tribes of Israel. They are not lost at all and never were lost.

That's why satan wants to destroy the woman buy will be not able, because she will be protected by God.

Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

Their (woman) seed are people of all the nations and tongues - non whites - The Great Crowd.

It will be explained in 2-nd part of this article.

Christ was never raptured to heaven. He has descended to heaven. If the woman is Israel - she is - than a child is not a Christ but symbolizes 144.000 co rulers, co kings with Christ.

 

[Josh321]

The natural eye cannot see the rapture or understand the things of the bible, as we look at the days of noah and sodom and gomorrah before destruction strikes the earth the bride was taken away, but this time it will be the entire church being raptured away that is why the dead in christ will rise, also i don't believe that the natural eyes will witness this because the corruptible( the flesh ) must first become incorruptible and the flesh cannot see the unseen so i don't believe the natural eye would see this, that is why the bible say it will come like a thief in the night, and it is the jews that will have to be in the tribulation Jesus blood is on their hands not the bride because they failed to recognise him, the 2 end time prophets will also be coming to open the eyes of the Jews when they see these prophets rise again they will know something supernatural that is greater than man is involved there

 

[thewordwatcher]

The natural eye cannot see the rapture or understand the things of the bible, as we look at the days of noah and sodom and gomorrah before destruction strikes the earth the bride was taken away, but this time it will be the entire church being raptured away that is why the dead in christ will rise, also i don't believe that the natural eyes will witness this because the corruptible( the flesh ) must first become incorruptible and the flesh cannot see the unseen so i don't believe the natural eye would see this, that is why the bible say it will come like a thief in the night, and it is the jews that will have to be in the tribulation Jesus blood is on their hands not the bride because they failed to recognise him, the 2 end time prophets will also be coming to open the eyes of the Jews when they see these prophets rise again they will know something supernatural that is greater than man is involved there

You're presenting typical christian jargon without any prof!

The Bible is clear in Revelation - all will be seen and cards will be on the table. No one will be deceived in Times of the End!

The Best will openly blaspheme God and all dwellers of heaven.

BTW. Spiritual body is also corruptible - satan and fallen angels are example of that.

I don't think you have read that article at all.

Nowhere in the Bible is written that any church will be raptured. You know any church with 144.000 members? It's even worse. Nowhere in the Bible is written any support for any church on Earth.

The Bible distinguish only seed of satan and seed of the woman - followers of Christ. No sect or church, or Baptists, Adventists or any other church. Christ never established any church. He asked us to follow him and live on his words.

Another big problem - we do not choosing Christ - He is choosing us and we're just responding. Or we are written on scrolls of life, or... we are seed of the serpent!