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Psalm 119

King James Version (KJV)

1 Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the Lord.
2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.
4 Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.
5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
6 Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments.
7 I will praise thee with uprightness of heart, when I shall have learned thy righteous judgments.
8 I will keep thy statutes: O forsake me not utterly.
9 Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word.

Hi everyone i am fairly new to CC and my time here has been fun .

I have learnt alot and was reading this Psalm I find these words in red repeated over and over again.

Can anyone help in stating what are They ?

Is there a difference or are the same ?

Do we have to keep them in the new testatment ? Why or Why not ?

Thanks alot

bless






 

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Psalm 119

King James Version (KJV)

1 Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the Lord.
2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.
4 Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.
5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
6 Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments.
7 I will praise thee with uprightness of heart, when I shall have learned thy righteous judgments.
8 I will keep thy statutes: O forsake me not utterly.
9 Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word.

Hi everyone i am fairly new to CC and my time here has been fun .

I have learnt alot and was reading this Psalm I find these words in red repeated over and over again.

Can anyone help in stating what are They ?

Is there a difference or are the same ?
They are the same with different emphases.

law of the Lord = God's covenant directives for his people

statutes = fixed character of covenant directives (Dt 6:2, 28:15, 45, 30:10, 16; 1Kg 11:11)

precepts = covenant regulations laid down by the LORD (Ps 19:8, 111:7)

commandments
= what God has specifically commanded in the covenant directives (Ex 20:6, 24:12;
Dt 4:2)

righteous judgments = laws laid down by the ruler king in the covenant directives (Ex 21:1, 24:3;
Dt 4:1)

thy word = revelation of God's law and promises

Do we have to keep them in the new testatment ? Why or Why not ?
No, we do not, because they are the directives of the Sinaitic (Old) Covenant, which is now obsolete (Heb 8:13),
having been replaced with the New Covenant (Lk 22:20).
 
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They are the same with different emphases.

law of the Lord = God's covenant directives for his people

statutes = fixed character of covenant directives (Dt 6:2, 28:15, 45, 30:10, 16; 1Kg 11:11)

precepts = covenant regulations laid down by the LORD (Ps 19:8, 111:7)

commandments
= what God has specifically commanded in the covenant directives (Ex 20:6, 24:12;
Dt 4:2)

righteous judgments = laws laid down by the ruler king in the covenant directives (Ex 21:1, 24:3;
Dt 4:1)

thy word = revelation of God's law and promises



No, we do not, because they are the directives of the Sinaitic (Old) Covenant, which is now obsolete (Heb 8:13),
having been replaced with the New Covenant (Lk 22:20).
Then you should not say the pslams waaaatttt a lie you are saying here
 
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They are the same with different emphases.

law of the Lord = God's covenant directives for his people

statutes = fixed character of covenant directives (Dt 6:2, 28:15, 45, 30:10, 16; 1Kg 11:11)

precepts = covenant regulations laid down by the LORD (Ps 19:8, 111:7)

commandments
= what God has specifically commanded in the covenant directives (Ex 20:6, 24:12;
Dt 4:2)

righteous judgments = laws laid down by the ruler king in the covenant directives (Ex 21:1, 24:3;
Dt 4:1)

thy word = revelation of God's law and promises



No, we do not, because they are the directives of the Sinaitic (Old) Covenant, which is now obsolete (Heb 8:13),
having been replaced with the New Covenant (Lk 22:20).
They are not the same
 
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Psalm 119

King James Version (KJV)

1 Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the Lord.
2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.
4 Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.
5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
6 Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments.
7 I will praise thee with uprightness of heart, when I shall have learned thy righteous judgments.
8 I will keep thy statutes: O forsake me not utterly.
9 Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word.

Hi everyone i am fairly new to CC and my time here has been fun .

I have learnt alot and was reading this Psalm I find these words in red repeated over and over again.

Can anyone help in stating what are They ?

Is there a difference or are the same ?

Do we have to keep them in the new testatment ? Why or Why not ?

Thanks alot

bless







This is just a hint that they are different
Genesis 26:5
Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
 
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They are the same with different emphases.

law of the Lord = God's covenant directives for his people

statutes = fixed character of covenant directives (Dt 6:2, 28:15, 45, 30:10, 16; 1Kg 11:11)

precepts = covenant regulations laid down by the LORD (Ps 19:8, 111:7)

commandments
= what God has specifically commanded in the covenant directives (Ex 20:6, 24:12;
Dt 4:2)

righteous judgments = laws laid down by the ruler king in the covenant directives (Ex 21:1, 24:3;
Dt 4:1)

thy word = revelation of God's law and promises



No, we do not, because they are the directives of the Sinaitic (Old) Covenant, which is now obsolete (Heb 8:13),
having been replaced with the New Covenant (Lk 22:20).

Leviticus 10:11
And that ye may teach the children of Israel all the statutes which the Lord hath spoken unto them by the hand of Moses
 

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Then you should not say the pslams waaaatttt a lie you are saying here
Take it up with Jesus.

The revelation spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers, states that the Sinaitic (Old) Covenant is now obsolete (Heb 8:13).
 
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Take it up with Jesus.

The revelation spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers, states that the Sinaitic (Old) Covenant is now obsolete (Heb 8:13).

Was not this given before the sinai covenant

Genesis 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
 
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Deuteronomy 4:14And the Lord commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go over to possess it.
 
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Lets start with what is a testimony

Deuteronomy 4:45
These are the testimonies, and the statutes, and the judgments, which Moses spake unto the children of Israel, after they came forth out of Egypt.
 
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Take it up with Jesus.

The revelation spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers, states that the Sinaitic (Old) Covenant is now obsolete (Heb 8:13).
I wonder if we are to keep pslam 23
 
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RuthHannah do you think this precept or statute

Leviticus 19:32Thou shalt rise up before the hoary head, and honour the face of the old man, and fear thy God: I am the Lord.
 

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Take it up with Jesus.

The revelation spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers, states that the Sinaitic (Old) Covenant is now obsolete (Heb 8:13).
And the Old Covenant is this...

Exo 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
Exo 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
Exo 19:7 And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him.
Exo 19:8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.

Exo 24:3 And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the LORD hath said will we do.

The Covenant is the people agreed to obey God and do all that He said and in return God would bless them with health, wealth, peace and long life. The Covenant is not the Law, the Covenant is the agreement between God and the people. The Law was part of the terms and conditions of the Covenant.
 

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The Covenant is the people agreed to obey God and do all that He said and in return God would bless them with health, wealth, peace and long life. The Covenant is not the Law,
Yes, however, sometimes the terms were used interchangeably.
Not of importance here.

the Covenant is the agreement between God and the people.
The Law was part of the terms and conditions of the Covenant.
Yes, the Sinaitic covenant was based on the law, and the law was based on the Aaronic priesthood
(Heb 7:11).

So when God replaced the Aaronic priesthood with the priesthood in the order of Melchizedek,
and made Christ the eternal High Priest of the new order (Heb 7:17, 21),
the law no longer had a basis, someone to administer it, and so was changed (Heb 7:12), set aside
(Heb 7:18-19).

Therefore, the Mosaic law, which contained a curse for imperfect obedience (Dt 27:26; Gal 3:10),
has been replaced with the law of Christ (Mt 22:37-39; 1Co 9:20-21; Gal 6:2),
which is the law of love that fulfills the whole law (Mt 22:40; Ro 13:8-10),
and has no curse attached--a huge difference for the people of God.

The people of God are now under the law of Christ (Mt 22:37-39; 1Co 9:21; Gal 6:2), rather than the law of Moses (Heb 7:18-19).
 
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john832

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This was before Mt Sinai
Yep and guess what the word for Laws is in Gen 26:5...

H8451
תּרה תּורה
tôrâh tôrâh
to-raw', to-raw'
From H3384; a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch: - law.

Abraham obeyed the Torah especially the Decalogue (we call that the Ten Commandments today).
 

john832

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Yes, however, sometimes the terms were used interchangeably.
Not of importance here.


Yes, the Sinaitic covenant was based on the law, and the law was based on the Aaronic priesthood
(Heb 7:11).
Why is this passage concerned with genetics? What part of DNA has anything to do with the Ten Commandments? The Law being referred to in this passage...

Heb 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Heb 7:13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
Heb 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

Here is the Law that this passage is speaking to...

Num 18:1 And the LORD said unto Aaron, Thou and thy sons and thy father's house with thee shall bear the iniquity of the sanctuary: and thou and thy sons with thee shall bear the iniquity of your priesthood.
Num 18:2 And thy brethren also of the tribe of Levi, the tribe of thy father, bring thou with thee, that they may be joined unto thee, and minister unto thee: but thou and thy sons with thee shall minister before the tabernacle of witness.
Num 18:3 And they shall keep thy charge, and the charge of all the tabernacle: only they shall not come nigh the vessels of the sanctuary and the altar, that neither they, nor ye also, die.
Num 18:4 And they shall be joined unto thee, and keep the charge of the tabernacle of the congregation, for all the service of the tabernacle: and a stranger shall not come nigh unto you.
Num 18:5 And ye shall keep the charge of the sanctuary, and the charge of the altar: that there be no wrath any more upon the children of Israel.
Num 18:6 And I, behold, I have taken your brethren the Levites from among the children of Israel: to you they are given as a gift for the LORD, to do the service of the tabernacle of the congregation.
Num 18:7 Therefore thou and thy sons with thee shall keep your priest's office for every thing of the altar, and within the vail; and ye shall serve: I have given your priest's office unto you as a service of gift: and the stranger that cometh nigh shall be put to death.
Num 18:8 And the LORD spake unto Aaron, Behold, I also have given thee the charge of mine heave offerings of all the hallowed things of the children of Israel; unto thee have I given them by reason of the anointing, and to thy sons, by an ordinance for ever.

Notice it is about DNA? Same as the passage in Hebrews. It is about the fact that under the Old Covenant, ONLY a direct descendant of AARON could be a Priest and yet Jesus Christ was a Jew from teh tribe of Judah. Because God will NOT COMPROMISE in the least with His Law, the Law had to be changed for Christ to become the High Priest after teh order of Melchisidec...

Heb 7:15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
Heb 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
Heb 7:17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Heb 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

The disannulling of the Commandment that only Levites, specifically the sons of Aaron, could be Priests.

So when God replaced the Aaronic priesthood with the priesthood in the order of Melchizedek,
and made Christ the eternal High Priest of the new order (Heb 7:17, 21),
the law no longer had a basis, someone to administer it, and so was changed (Heb 7:12), set aside
(Heb 7:18-19).
The Law that determined the Priesthood by DNA was not even set aside, it was changed. Changed in that the High Priest now must be of the order of Melchisidec.

Therefore, the Mosaic law, which contained a curse for imperfect obedience (Dt 27:26; Gal 3:10),
has been replaced with the law of Christ (Mt 22:37-39; 1Co 9:20-21; Gal 6:2),
which is the law of love that fulfills the whole law (Mt 22:40; Ro 13:8-10),
and has no curse attached--a huge difference for the people of God.

The people of God are now under the law of Christ (Mt 22:37-39; 1Co 9:21; Gal 6:2), rather than the law of Moses (Heb 7:18-19).
When one reads the entire passage in context and then goes back and actually reads which Law was changed, it becomes obvious that Christ really told the truth when He said...

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Luk 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

You know what? I actually believe Christ.
 
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In other words no one is blessed because no one can be blameless and walk according to the law. No one seeks Him. Everyone does wrong.He laid down precepts in vain and they are not expected to be obeyed. The psalmist boasted his own works and was a Pharisee.
Beth
How can a young person stay on the path of purity? He simply can’t, no one can. The psalmist again was a legalist and relied on his own works.
Ok enough nonsense.

Seriously
Gimel
You rebuke the arrogant, who are accursed, those who stray from your commands.
Guess who he’s referring to?
Daleth
Keep me from deceitful way, be gracious to me and teach me your law. I have chosen the way of what?
Faithfulness that is.
He
How I long for your precepts! In your righteousness preserve my life.
The psalmist knew His righteousness.
Waw
I will walk about in freedom for I have sought out your precepts.
Only His precepts are sought out could one truly walk about in FREEDOM.
Zayin
The arrogant mock me unmercifully but I do not turn from your law. I remember, LORD, your ancient laws, and I find comfort in them.
So mockers take your best shot!
Heth
I am a friend to all who fear you, to all who follow yourprecepts.
I know who my friends are here.
Teth
Though the arrogant have smeared me with lies, I keep your precepts with all my heart. Their hearts are callous and unfeeling, but I delight in your law.
Callous and unfeeling – did Yeshua quote that somewhere about someone?
Yodh
I know, LORD, that your laws are righteous, and that in faithfulness you have afflicted me.
I know, I know.
Kaph
Te arrogant dig pits to trap me, contrary to your law.
There are many traps here and everywhere I know.
Lamedh
If your law had not been my delght, I would have perished in my affliction.
Indeed.
Mem
I gain understanding from your precepts, therefore I hate every wrong path.
Nun
I have taken an oath and confirmed it that I will follow your righteous laws.
I don’t care what others say.
Samekh
Away from me you evildoers, that I may keep the commands of my God!
Yeshua will say on that day: away from me you evildoers.
Ayin
Deal with your servant according to your love and teach me your decrees. I am your servant, give me discernment that I may understand your statutes. It is time for you to act, LORD, your law is being broken.
That’s my prayer.
Pe
Streams of tears flow from my eyes for your law is not obeyed.
My prayer too.
Tsadhe
You are righteous, LORD, and your laws are right.
That’s right.
Qoph
…and all your commands are true.
Yes I know that!
Resh
All your words are true, all your righteous laws are eternal.
Needed I say more?
Sin and Shin
I hate and detest falsehood but I love your law.
Taw
I long for your salvation, LORD, and your law gives me delight.
 
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