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Here's some food for thought that I am "borrowing" from Morgan Guyton (Associate Pastor, Burke United Methodist Church), published with Huffington Post. I would like to draw special attention to number 7.

The phrase "Jesus juke" was originally coined by Jon Acuff in a 2010 post on his blog "Stuff Christians Like." Jesus jukes are moves that you make in online conversation to showcase your superior Jesus-ness at the expense of other people who have said something, often in banter or jest, that is inadequately theologically correct (or TC for short, the Christian version of PC). Jesus jukes are the 21st century online conversational version of the exhibitionist piety that Jesus calls out in his Sermon on the Mount, like praying on the street corner, disfiguring your face when you're fasting, and announcing your alms-giving with trumpets (Matthew 6:1-18). I've come to realize that many Jesus jukers actually aren't doing it on purpose, so I figured some examples might be helpful to my accidental Jesus juking friends.

1) "Why do you make things so complicated? The answer is Jesus."
This is probably the most obnoxious Jesus juke: "You can have your 'religion,' but I believe in Jesus plus nothing." In Christian music, there's actually a term of measurement called JPM, Jesuses per minute. Throwing Jesus' name around as a means of giving yourself credibility in a conversation is a more accurate application of using the Lord's name in vain than saying OMG. "Jesus" is always the right answer to every Sunday school question and the way to take the higher ground in every Christian argument. "Jesus" is often a code word for a specific set of beliefs about Jesus which have little to nothing to do with the personality of Jesus displayed on the gospel.

2) "You seem to be interested in what people want, but what about what God wants?"
In every evangelical conversation, the ace of spades of trump-cards is to show that the other person is being "man-centered" while you're being "God-centered." This was very much the basic posture of Pharisaic existence in Jesus' day: "I really believe your heart's in the right place when you heal people on the Sabbath, Jesus, but how do you think that makes God feel when it's supposed to be His day?" (Jesus himself got Jesus juked all the time!) What does Jesus say in response to the Pharisees' Jesus jukes? "The sabbath is made for man, not man for the Sabbath" (Mark 2:7). "Go and find out what this means: 'I desire mercy not sacrifice'" (Matthew 9:13). In other words, to try to drive a wedge between "what God wants" and the legitimate needs of human flourishing (insofar as they are legitimate) is a false dichotomy that the Pharisees of yesterday and today exploit to draw a line between God and other people and put themselves on God's side of that line as His "defenders."

3) "You worry too much. God will take care of it."
When someone is dealing with anxiety, the best way to ratchet up their anxiety and shut down any trust between you is to let them know that their anxiety reveals their lack of faith. Faith in Jesus is a grace God offers to all, but it is also a spiritual gift that some possess uniquely. Some people are better at trusting God than others; my wife is way better at it than I am. If you have this gift, God gave it to you to be a non-anxious presence and make anxious people feel safe, whether it's through humor, good-natured positivity, or another tactic that doesn't shame the other person and call attention to how much lousier they are at coping than you are.

4) "You know, I used to talk the way you do back when I was a fundamentalist/liberal/etc."
I'm sometimes guilty of this one. I grew up moderate Southern Baptist. Since I was 3 years old, I have been opposed to fundamentalism, so it's disingenuous to pretend that I had a fundamentalist past and used to be like "those fundamentalists" I argue with before I got "enlightened." It's very tempting to play the "I used to be just like you are" card as a rhetorical power play clumsily clothed in patronizing faux "empathy." Even if you have undergone a genuinely radical conversion from one ideological slant to another, do not project "Oh, that's how I used to think" onto other people even if they sound the way you think you might have sounded. You have no idea what irreducibly complex combination of God's grace, sin, and other social forces are at play behind another person's beliefs. I realize you may have a genuine zeal to help other people escape their fundamentalism or liberalism. Just never assume that anyone else is "exactly where you were."

5) "When I had your problem, I read [insert Bible verse] and everything made sense after that."
That's great that [insert Bible verse] helped you. But guess what? God uses different verses with different people and your experience isn't invalidated if the same verse doesn't have the same meaning for others. I was once in an online forum with a guy who was emphatic that if I would just read Romans 6 and really let it soak in and maybe say it slowly in a dramatic voice and shed a few tears, then I would gain victory over the issue I was dealing with. This kind of Jesus juke especially sucks when the issue is some kind of legitimate mental illness. When you make salvation/deliverance/healing/etc. about a particular verse and not the Holy Spirit, you're making the Bible into a magician's tool.

6) "I guess I just believe that Jesus meant what he said about hell/poor people/other topic."
I know that nobody else really believes that Jesus meant what he said quite like you do, you radical Jesus freak! But maybe you'll experience a little more of his grace for yourself if your discipleship becomes something other than a self-justification spectacle whether you're of the "no cussing, no drugs, no premarital sex" branch of works-righteousness or the "no supporting any aspect of Caesar's empire whatsoever" branch. What did Jesus say in Matthew 25 anyhow? Was he using a hyperbolic parable about eternal suffering to prophetically goad his rich listeners into thinking twice about their most vulnerable neighbors? Or was he demonstrating why nobody can possibly be saved from hell because his standards for loving your neighbor are so impossibly high but as long as you do everything Paul says to do to bag justification by faith, then you're good? Hate to say it, but there's actually a range of possible interpretation here. What did Jesus mean by what he said? That's a good question that a very large community of people has been working to answer for more than 2000 years.

7) [A long, non-sequitur string of scripture references without commentary that generally involve some kind of prophetic "warning" of apocalyptic destruction that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.]
This might not be a Jesus juke so much as a manifestation of mental illness. But maybe there are people who think that throwing non-sequitur scripture bombs at other people is a legitimate form of spiritual conversation. Here's the rule: if you can't explain in your words why you're using God's words, then you're abusing God's words and they certainly aren't your words to own.
 
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Here's some food for thought that I am "borrowing" from Morgan Guyton (Associate Pastor, Burke United Methodist Church), published with Huffington Post. I would like to draw special attention to number 7.

The phrase "Jesus juke" was originally coined by Jon Acuff in a 2010 post on his blog "Stuff Christians Like." Jesus jukes are moves that you make in online conversation to showcase your superior Jesus-ness at the expense of other people who have said something, often in banter or jest, that is inadequately theologically correct (or TC for short, the Christian version of PC). Jesus jukes are the 21st century online conversational version of the exhibitionist piety that Jesus calls out in his Sermon on the Mount, like praying on the street corner, disfiguring your face when you're fasting, and announcing your alms-giving with trumpets (Matthew 6:1-18). I've come to realize that many Jesus jukers actually aren't doing it on purpose, so I figured some examples might be helpful to my accidental Jesus juking friends.

1) "Why do you make things so complicated? The answer is Jesus."
This is probably the most obnoxious Jesus juke: "You can have your 'religion,' but I believe in Jesus plus nothing." In Christian music, there's actually a term of measurement called JPM, Jesuses per minute. Throwing Jesus' name around as a means of giving yourself credibility in a conversation is a more accurate application of using the Lord's name in vain than saying OMG. "Jesus" is always the right answer to every Sunday school question and the way to take the higher ground in every Christian argument. "Jesus" is often a code word for a specific set of beliefs about Jesus which have little to nothing to do with the personality of Jesus displayed on the gospel.

2) "You seem to be interested in what people want, but what about what God wants?"
In every evangelical conversation, the ace of spades of trump-cards is to show that the other person is being "man-centered" while you're being "God-centered." This was very much the basic posture of Pharisaic existence in Jesus' day: "I really believe your heart's in the right place when you heal people on the Sabbath, Jesus, but how do you think that makes God feel when it's supposed to be His day?" (Jesus himself got Jesus juked all the time!) What does Jesus say in response to the Pharisees' Jesus jukes? "The sabbath is made for man, not man for the Sabbath" (Mark 2:7). "Go and find out what this means: 'I desire mercy not sacrifice'" (Matthew 9:13). In other words, to try to drive a wedge between "what God wants" and the legitimate needs of human flourishing (insofar as they are legitimate) is a false dichotomy that the Pharisees of yesterday and today exploit to draw a line between God and other people and put themselves on God's side of that line as His "defenders."

3) "You worry too much. God will take care of it."
When someone is dealing with anxiety, the best way to ratchet up their anxiety and shut down any trust between you is to let them know that their anxiety reveals their lack of faith. Faith in Jesus is a grace God offers to all, but it is also a spiritual gift that some possess uniquely. Some people are better at trusting God than others; my wife is way better at it than I am. If you have this gift, God gave it to you to be a non-anxious presence and make anxious people feel safe, whether it's through humor, good-natured positivity, or another tactic that doesn't shame the other person and call attention to how much lousier they are at coping than you are.

4) "You know, I used to talk the way you do back when I was a fundamentalist/liberal/etc."
I'm sometimes guilty of this one. I grew up moderate Southern Baptist. Since I was 3 years old, I have been opposed to fundamentalism, so it's disingenuous to pretend that I had a fundamentalist past and used to be like "those fundamentalists" I argue with before I got "enlightened." It's very tempting to play the "I used to be just like you are" card as a rhetorical power play clumsily clothed in patronizing faux "empathy." Even if you have undergone a genuinely radical conversion from one ideological slant to another, do not project "Oh, that's how I used to think" onto other people even if they sound the way you think you might have sounded. You have no idea what irreducibly complex combination of God's grace, sin, and other social forces are at play behind another person's beliefs. I realize you may have a genuine zeal to help other people escape their fundamentalism or liberalism. Just never assume that anyone else is "exactly where you were."

5) "When I had your problem, I read [insert Bible verse] and everything made sense after that."
That's great that [insert Bible verse] helped you. But guess what? God uses different verses with different people and your experience isn't invalidated if the same verse doesn't have the same meaning for others. I was once in an online forum with a guy who was emphatic that if I would just read Romans 6 and really let it soak in and maybe say it slowly in a dramatic voice and shed a few tears, then I would gain victory over the issue I was dealing with. This kind of Jesus juke especially sucks when the issue is some kind of legitimate mental illness. When you make salvation/deliverance/healing/etc. about a particular verse and not the Holy Spirit, you're making the Bible into a magician's tool.

6) "I guess I just believe that Jesus meant what he said about hell/poor people/other topic."
I know that nobody else really believes that Jesus meant what he said quite like you do, you radical Jesus freak! But maybe you'll experience a little more of his grace for yourself if your discipleship becomes something other than a self-justification spectacle whether you're of the "no cussing, no drugs, no premarital sex" branch of works-righteousness or the "no supporting any aspect of Caesar's empire whatsoever" branch. What did Jesus say in Matthew 25 anyhow? Was he using a hyperbolic parable about eternal suffering to prophetically goad his rich listeners into thinking twice about their most vulnerable neighbors? Or was he demonstrating why nobody can possibly be saved from hell because his standards for loving your neighbor are so impossibly high but as long as you do everything Paul says to do to bag justification by faith, then you're good? Hate to say it, but there's actually a range of possible interpretation here. What did Jesus mean by what he said? That's a good question that a very large community of people has been working to answer for more than 2000 years.

7) [A long, non-sequitur string of scripture references without commentary that generally involve some kind of prophetic "warning" of apocalyptic destruction that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.]
This might not be a Jesus juke so much as a manifestation of mental illness. But maybe there are people who think that throwing non-sequitur scripture bombs at other people is a legitimate form of spiritual conversation. Here's the rule: if you can't explain in your words why you're using God's words, then you're abusing God's words and they certainly aren't your words to own.
Ms. Misty77:

I had not heard the term before...
 

posthuman

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when i read "juke" in the thread title, i thought "juke joint" -- i.e. -- an establishment where one can eat, drink, and dance

but when i read the post, i thought "deke" -- i guess that's an ice-hockey term for 'faking out' an opponent to get around them.
 
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My friends and I have a similar phrase, we call it "Playing the God card".
 
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My girlfriend uses this term, but a little differently. Right now she is in Haiti doing a mission and she "Jesus juked" me the other day because I said I was on watching TV or something and she said "well I'mmmmm doing good works in Haiti for people!". Its like "I'm doing better than you so feel bad" but its typically done playfully to mess with someone. At least in how I've heard it. I've never head of someone seriously doing it to insult someone.

Some of the things you mentioned aren't terrible things to try. Like the one about "this verse helped me" thing. That is a good thing to try, you just can't expect it to work because you are right verses affect people differently. All the things about anxiety aren't terrible either. Often times the answer is simply rely on God. That isn't all that should be said, because that is hard, but that is the truth in most cases. It should be followed with practical advise that someone can also do on top of trusting God. I understand these answers can be annoying, but they are true in many cases.

I do agree about most of what you said though and how it is very impractical, not beneficial, and shouldn't be done.
 
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People often at times to make themselves look good must make others look bad. Since no one is actually better than the other, It is an old tactic that has a new name. It has been in the work place for ages, Make your coworker look bad so don't look bad. How ever this tactic will not work with God.
 
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People often at times to make themselves look good must make others look bad. Since no one is actually better than the other, It is an old tactic that has a new name. It has been in the work place for ages, Make your coworker look bad so don't look bad. How ever this tactic will not work with God.
Agreed, like I said the term in how I have seen is typically used as a joke not a serious insult. It would be one of the most prideful arrogant things for someone to ACTUALLY go "I'm better than you because of my works!" and be serious about it.
 

posthuman

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7) [A long, non-sequitur string of scripture references without commentary that generally involve some kind of prophetic "warning" of apocalyptic destruction that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.]
This might not be a Jesus juke so much as a manifestation of mental illness. But maybe there are people who think that throwing non-sequitur scripture bombs at other people is a legitimate form of spiritual conversation. Here's the rule: if you can't explain in your words why you're using God's words, then you're abusing God's words and they certainly aren't your words to own.
call me crazy then.

in the future, if i post a number of scriptures together, with little or none of my own commentary, it's because i think they speak for themselves, and i assume here in this forum we have a "common interpreter"

If we are "out of our mind," as some say, it is for God; if we are in our right mind, it is for you.
(2 Corinthians 5:13)

:rolleyes:
 
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call me crazy then.

in the future, if i post a number of scriptures together, with little or none of my own commentary, it's because i think they speak for themselves, and i assume here in this forum we have a "common interpreter"

If we are "out of our mind," as some say, it is for God; if we are in our right mind, it is for you.
(2 Corinthians 5:13)

:rolleyes:
The problem with no commentary is that often times many people don't pull anything away from it if they can't tell exactly what you mean. Its not a terrible thing, just not as beneficial as the same thing plus some commentary.
 

posthuman

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The problem with no commentary is that often times many people don't pull anything away from it if they can't tell exactly what you mean. Its not a terrible thing, just not as beneficial as the same thing plus some commentary.
people argue with comments though, and i know i'm not worthy to comment on it, but if they argue with scripture, it's an argument that can't be won. sometimes what i want to say is beyond me to say, or the scripture is perfect, and i know i can't add to it. God told the Israelites if they were to build a stone altar to Him, not to use any tools, because if they lifted a tool to it they would defile it (Exodus 20:25) - i feel this way about presenting scripture in a discussion sometimes, if that makes sense, even a number of scriptures from different parts of the Book together. anything i would say might only muddy the waters. with much talk is much sin (Proverbs 10:19).

Jesus taught in parables, without explanation, too - this passage from Matthew is relevant:

Then the disciples came and said to him, “Why do you speak to them in parables?” And he answered them, To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. For to the one who has, more will be given, and he will have an abundance, but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. This is why I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. Indeed, in their case the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled that says:
‘“You will indeed hear but never understand,
and you will indeed see but never perceive.”
For this people’s heart has grown dull,
and with their ears they can barely hear,
and their eyes they have closed,
lest they should see with their eyes
and hear with their ears
and understand with their heart
and turn, and I would heal them.’
But blessed are your eyes, for they see, and your ears, for they hear. For truly, I say to you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it."

(Matthew 13:10-17)

now that doesn't fit every situation, for sure. Jesus spoke to His disciples in a different way than He spoke to the crowds. all scripture is good for instruction, but not every heart can receive it - it's a two edged sword, dividing and conquering, with the same stroke tearing down strongholds and setting captives free. my uninspired addition to it may as well be paper darts - no real use against the enemy, even though i may be throwing them in the right direction. but to a friend, a pat on the back or a smile, if it's all i can offer, is as welcome as the hand that buys your freedom. so context and audience remains important.

i'm not saying i'll never string scriptures together without adding soliloquy - i reserve my right to appear mentally ill - but #7 here on Acuff's list includes a fine caveat: we ought to be able to understand and expound on God's Word when we use it. i won't argue with that at all, but i'll say it isn't always prudent or necessary to do so.
whether leaving off (possibly superfluous) commentary is "abuse of the scripture" or not i think can't be answered with a blanket statement. when Jesus was tempted in the wilderness, we don't have a record of him explaining the scripture to Satan. on the other hand, we do have a records of him giving deeper explanations of things when His disciples didn't understand the first time He said them, and He taught in the synagogue "as one with authority."

there's a time and a place for it all.

 
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The fact is pobody's nerfect and at times we say things we shouldn't ans sometimes we say things we should it's just taken the wrong way.
 

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The UMC coupled with the Huffington POST is a Juke in and of itself and the list smells of liberal dribble trying to gag christian expression...and that's no juke.
 
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The problem with no commentary is that often times many people don't pull anything away from it if they can't tell exactly what you mean. Its not a terrible thing, just not as beneficial as the same thing plus some commentary.
True but in the right situation it can inspire someone to use their noggin
 

p_rehbein

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QUOTED FROM OP:

1) "Why do you make things so complicated? The answer is Jesus."
This is probably the most obnoxious Jesus juke: "You can have your 'religion,' but I believe in Jesus plus nothing." In Christian music, there's actually a term of measurement called JPM, Jesuses per minute. Throwing Jesus' name around as a means of giving yourself credibility in a conversation is a more accurate application of using the Lord's name in vain than saying OMG. "Jesus" is always the right answer to every Sunday school question and the way to take the higher ground in every Christian argument. "Jesus" is often a code word for a specific set of beliefs about Jesus which have little to nothing to do with the personality of Jesus displayed on the gospel.
END QUOTE...........

Not exactly sure what Guyton is saying here, BUT IF he is saying that professing the Name of Jesus is a "juke," then I strongly disagree with him. In my experience, theologians, legalists and such try very hard and incessantly to make God's Salvation Plan for mankind...........a long, drawn out, complicated set of "works" that only THEY can explain to the average person, and, thus, without THEIR instruction we can not be saved.........We MUST abide by their teachings........

Not for nothing........but I will put my faith and trust in the Name of Jesus.............IF that "simplifies" salvation, then I suggest people sincerely consider John 3:16. One may also read the 10th Chapter of Romans.......

One might also consider this:

Acts 4:10) Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
11 .) This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12 .) Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

John 14:6) Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 11:25) Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
26 .) And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

GOD'S SALVATION PLAN FOR MANKIND is not some long, drawn out, complicated set of "works" that must be done by man.......well, not in my opinion anyway.......Guyton is free to believe as he wishes.............but I WILL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD for my salvation.

God bless...........
 

p_rehbein

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QUOTED FROM THE ARTICLE:
3) "You worry too much. God will take care of it."
When someone is dealing with anxiety, the best way to ratchet up their anxiety and shut down any trust between you is to let them know that their anxiety reveals their lack of faith. Faith in Jesus is a grace God offers to all, but it is also a spiritual gift that some possess uniquely. Some people are better at trusting God than others; my wife is way better at it than I am. If you have this gift, God gave it to you to be a non-anxious presence and make anxious people feel safe, whether it's through humor, good-natured positivity, or another tactic that doesn't shame the other person and call attention to how much lousier they are at coping than you are.
END QUOTE.............

This is discombobulated commentary as best as I can determine........Guyton does not make his point (whatever it was intended to be) very clear here...........but, now, that may be because of "my lack of faith" in his instructions? :)
 

p_rehbein

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QUOTED FROM ARTICLE:
4) "You know, I used to talk the way you do back when I was a fundamentalist/liberal/etc."
I'm sometimes guilty of this one. I grew up moderate Southern Baptist. Since I was 3 years old, I have been opposed to fundamentalism, so it's disingenuous to pretend that I had a fundamentalist past and used to be like "those fundamentalists" I argue with before I got "enlightened." It's very tempting to play the "I used to be just like you are" card as a rhetorical power play clumsily clothed in patronizing faux "empathy." Even if you have undergone a genuinely radical conversion from one ideological slant to another, do not project "Oh, that's how I used to think" onto other people even if they sound the way you think you might have sounded. You have no idea what irreducibly complex combination of God's grace, sin, and other social forces are at play behind another person's beliefs. I realize you may have a genuine zeal to help other people escape their fundamentalism or liberalism. Just never assume that anyone else is "exactly where you were."
END QUOTE.............

My first thought concerning this statement is........

POT................................KETTLE (just saying)

Then I notice that Guyton states:

[I'm sometimes guilty of this one. I grew up moderate Southern Baptist. Since I was 3 years old, I have been opposed to fundamentalism, so it's disingenuous to pretend that I had a fundamentalist past and used to be like "those fundamentalists" I argue with before I got "enlightened."]

So, IF someone disagrees with his "enlightened" theology/ideology................they have NOT been "enlightened?"

This kinda says it all doesn't it?

[I realize you may have a genuine zeal to help other people escape their fundamentalism or liberalism. Just never assume that anyone else is "exactly where you were.]
 

p_rehbein

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QUOTED FROM ARTICLE:
5) "When I had your problem, I read [insert Bible verse] and everything made sense after that."
That's great that [insert Bible verse] helped you. But guess what? God uses different verses with different people and your experience isn't invalidated if the same verse doesn't have the same meaning for others. I was once in an online forum with a guy who was emphatic that if I would just read Romans 6 and really let it soak in and maybe say it slowly in a dramatic voice and shed a few tears, then I would gain victory over the issue I was dealing with. This kind of Jesus juke especially sucks when the issue is some kind of legitimate mental illness. When you make salvation/deliverance/healing/etc. about a particular verse and not the Holy Spirit, you're making the Bible into a magician's tool.
END QUOTE..............

Well, yes and no..............Yes, different Scriptures can have differing effects upon different people, but that being said, there is a Standard of Truth in Scripture that is woven through all of Scripture.

And I see nothing wrong with telling someone what Scripture may have helped me understand some point........it may or may not ALSO help them..............but, then, the person seeking answers ALSO bears some responsibility to sincerely seek the answer(s) they are searching for by READING SCRIPTURE THEMSELVES do they not?

If someone ASKS another, then DO NOT criticize the answer they receive.........
 

p_rehbein

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Paragraph 6 is another example of indigestible ideology so discombobulated as to be worthless
 
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people argue with comments though, and i know i'm not worthy to comment on it, but if they argue with scripture, it's an argument that can't be won. sometimes what i want to say is beyond me to say, or the scripture is perfect, and i know i can't add to it.


But this goes back to number 5 on the list. Just because a scripture speaks clearly to you doesn't mean it will be so clear to another.
I witnessed this just the other day, a user posted a long scripture to answer a question and i could find no answer. When i pointed out this point the user became defensive and rude and carried an attitude that it was so obvious that i must somehow have a problem for not getting it. Putting in one line explaining the direction your headed and using the scripture to support it doesn't require any special worth or need for you to comment, it just gives direction to your intent to help others see where you're headed. Clarity is a good thing.
 

p_rehbein

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QUOTED FROM ARTICLE:
7) [A long, non-sequitur string of scripture references without commentary that generally involve some kind of prophetic "warning" of apocalyptic destruction that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.]
This might not be a Jesus juke so much as a manifestation of mental illness. But maybe there are people who think that throwing non-sequitur scripture bombs at other people is a legitimate form of spiritual conversation. Here's the rule: if you can't explain in your words why you're using God's words, then you're abusing God's words and they certainly aren't your words to own.
END QUOTE...............

Again...........yes and no.............. :)

(In my opinion, Guyton lessens any credibility he may have built up in the prior paragraphs by stating:

[This might not be a Jesus juke so much as a manifestation of mental illness. ]

This reads as nothing more than a "cheap shot" at those who may disagree with his ideology.........

All in all, well...............I think I have gave my thoughts, so............

God bless