Should we pray to Mary as the Mother of God?

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StoneThrower

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certainly not God...Hebrews 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Why did you select newbirth for a user name? Seriously? Please answer this question.

His very name is Emanuel God is with us
To say that Christ is not God shows complete ignorance of the Bible (both Old and New testaments) or do you reject the Bible?
Do you believe the Bible is Gods word?
 
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certainly not God...Hebrews 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
I looked at your profile and it says Born again: I dont remember.

It also says your married do you remember that date, or how old you were?

Many people dont know the excat day but they know about when.
How could something so dramatic as dying take place and you dont remember?

Waiting on your reply, your post are very troubling for someone that proffess Christ as Lord, but denies his diety indicating you dont know him at all, and know one comes to the father but by him.
Would you consider yourself a good person?
 
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I looked at your profile and it says Born again: I dont remember.

It also says your married do you remember that date, or how old you were?

Many people dont know the excat day but they know about when.
How could something so dramatic as dying take place and you dont remember?

Waiting on your reply, your post are very troubling for someone that proffess Christ as Lord, but denies his diety indicating you dont know him at all, and know one comes to the father but by him.
Would you consider yourself a good person?
You would prefer I lied to please man I know when but not day.....Honestly I frequently have to check my age . But to me there are always more serious matters in this new life. I don't just believe what people tell me about scripture I seek for myself. You jump to conclusions when you don't understand someone response...I consider myself dead in the flesh alive in the spirit.
Obedient to the word.
You assume I deny Christ deity...I suppose you have not read my posts. I do not follow man made doctrine.
 
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Why did you select newbirth for a user name? Seriously? Please answer this question.

His very name is Emanuel God is with us
To say that Christ is not God shows complete ignorance of the Bible (both Old and New testaments) or do you reject the Bible?
Do you believe the Bible is Gods word?
Where did I say ...Christ is not God
you still don't understand what this means... [SUP]14 [/SUP]And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

or this...
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

or this
Hebrews 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
 
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I apologize to the OP for this off-topic, but I wanted to have a suspicion cleared up. The western christianity (except for the catholics and the protestants) NO LONGER worship Jesus Christ. This is a real tragedy!!! Not that a catholic woman pray with a rosary or whatever, but that people, unconsciously, don't worship Christ! This is apostasy!
[h=3]Matthew 7:1-5[/h]King James Version (KJV)

7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
 
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You would prefer I lied to please man I know when but not day.....Honestly I frequently have to check my age . But to me there are always more serious matters in this new life. I don't just believe what people tell me about scripture I seek for myself. You jump to conclusions when you don't understand someone response...I consider myself dead in the flesh alive in the spirit.
Obedient to the word.
You assume I deny Christ deity...I suppose you have not read my posts. I do not follow man made doctrine.
I am questioning you because of some of your comments You said "certainly not God." my reply to post# 142 now your saying he is God?
 
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StoneThrower

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Where did I say ...Christ is not God
you still don't understand what this means... [SUP]14 [/SUP]And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

or this...
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

or this
Hebrews 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Your post 140 who did Mary give birth to and your reply.
 
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Your post 140 who did Mary give birth to and your reply.
If you understand the working of the HS ...The whole salvation plan Who God is Who Christ is, then you would understand why I said what I said.God existed before Mary, Christ existed before Mary... But you know that... However...This
Hebrews 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

[h=3]Hebrews 5:7-9[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]7 [/SUP]Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

[SUP]8 [/SUP]Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;



  • Matthew 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:


[h=3]Matthew 28:17-19[/h]King James Version (KJV)


[SUP]17 [/SUP]And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.

[SUP]18 [/SUP]And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

[SUP]19 [/SUP]Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:


Christ had to walk this earth as a man to pay the ultimate price for our sins
 

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Mary life in different world, how can she hear us?

If I life in Indonesia and you life in america, and I go to my room asking you to pray for me, can you hear me, unless you use phone or email.

People who pray to Mary did not use phone. how he expect Mary hear?
Simple logic yet true
 

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Deuteronomy 18:9-12 ESV

When you come into the land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominable practices of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord. And because of these abominations the Lord your God is driving them out before you.
 
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The bible tells us to pray to God

Matthew chapter 6
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Pray like this: Our Father in heaven, may your name be honored.
10 May your Kingdom come soon. May your will be done here on earth, just as it is in heaven. 11 Give us our food for today, 12 and forgive us our sins, just as we have forgiven those who have sinned against us. 13 And don't let us yield to temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. 14 "If you forgive those who sin against you, your heavenly Father will forgive you. 15 But if you refuse to forgive others, your Father will not forgive your sins.
 

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Isaiah 8

19 When someone tells you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living? 20 Consult God’s instruction and the testimony of warning. If anyone does not speak according to this word, they have no light of dawn. 21 Distressed and hungry, they will roam through the land; when they are famished, they will become enraged and, looking upward, will curse their king and their God. 22 Then they will look toward the earth and see only distress and darkness and fearful gloom, and they will be thrust into utter darkness.
 

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Revelation 22

12 “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. 15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”

17 The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let the one who hears say, “Come!” Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life.

18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.

20 He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.”

Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.

21 The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God’s people. Amen.
 
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If you understand the working of the HS ...The whole salvation plan Who God is Who Christ is, then you would understand why I said what I said.God existed before Mary, Christ existed before Mary... But you know that...
Got that, but I dont get why you would say Christ isnt God there, and turn around here and confirm He is?
 
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If you understand the working of the HS ...The whole salvation plan Who God is Who Christ is, then you would understand why I said what I said.God existed before Mary, Christ existed before Mary... But you know that... However...This
Hebrews 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

Hebrews 5:7-9

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]7 [/SUP]Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

[SUP]8 [/SUP]Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;



  • Matthew 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:


Matthew 28:17-19

King James Version (KJV)


[SUP]17 [/SUP]And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.

[SUP]18 [/SUP]And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

[SUP]19 [/SUP]Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:


Christ had to walk this earth as a man to pay the ultimate price for our sins
Some would prefer to believe the concept of eternal sonship, a by product of the concept of trinity. Now if this concept is true, Mary would then be the eternal mother of the son and thus the mother of god. Now if this concept is true, praying to the highest deity is not wrong.
 
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Job 16:17
yet my hands have been free of violence and my prayer is pure.

Job 42:8
So now take seven bulls and seven rams and go to my servant Job and sacrifice a burnt offering for yourselves. My servant Job will pray for you, and I will accept his prayer and not deal with you according to your folly. You have not spoken the truth about me, as my servant Job has.”


Numbers 21:7 The people came to Moses and said, “We sinned when we spoke against the Lord and against you. Pray that the Lord will take the snakes away from us.” So Moses prayed for the people.

Proverbs 15:29 The Lord is far from the wicked,
but he hears the prayer of the righteous.

Revelation 5:8
And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God’s people.


Hail Mary full of Grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed are thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus. Holy Mary Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death Amen.

It is telling Mary to pray for us to God, but it isn't saying to pray to Mary. God can't pray for us because He is the one that is receiving the prayers in golden bowls from the Elders and which they collect them from us and present them before the Lamb. You all can keep on asking them money loving preachers to pray to God for you and you will see one day where your prayers are going.



 
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Job 16:17
yet my hands have been free of violence and my prayer is pure.

Job 42:8
So now take seven bulls and seven rams and go to my servant Job and sacrifice a burnt offering for yourselves. My servant Job will pray for you, and I will accept his prayer and not deal with you according to your folly. You have not spoken the truth about me, as my servant Job has.”


Numbers 21:7 The people came to Moses and said, “We sinned when we spoke against the Lord and against you. Pray that the Lord will take the snakes away from us.” So Moses prayed for the people.

Proverbs 15:29 The Lord is far from the wicked,
but he hears the prayer of the righteous.

Revelation 5:8
And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God’s people.


Hail Mary full of Grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed are thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus. Holy Mary Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death Amen.

It is telling Mary to pray for us to God, but it isn't saying to pray to Mary. God can't pray for us because He is the one that is receiving the prayers in golden bowls from the Elders and which they collect them from us and present them before the Lamb. You all can keep on asking them money loving preachers to pray to God for you and you will see one day where your prayers are going.



I tell you again Mary is not the mother of God,...God is before Mary was. Next someone will be telling me God have to obey Mary because the bible says children obey your parents. Where does the scripture say ask Mary to pray for us?
 
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Some would prefer to believe the concept of eternal sonship, a by product of the concept of trinity. Now if this concept is true, Mary would then be the eternal mother of the son and thus the mother of god. Now if this concept is true, praying to the highest deity is not wrong.
Man made doctrine ......John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.




  • Hebrews 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
 
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I tell you again Mary is not the mother of God,...God is before Mary was. Next someone will be telling me God have to obey Mary because the bible says children obey your parents. Where does the scripture say ask Mary to pray for us?
Matthew 13:55
“Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t his mother’s name Mary, and aren’t his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas?

John 3:12
I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?