God's word is truth.

[phil112]

Romans 3:4 "God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged."

Reflect on what that means. Truth is immutable.

immutable: unchanging through time; unalterable; ageless

It doesn't matter whether we like all of the word of God. It cannot be changed. It is permanent. All we can do is make ourselves look foolish by trying. You can't walk under a waterfall and not get wet. There are some people that will, come out soaking wet, and claim they aren't wet. What they say and think doesn't change truth. Nothing can.

If you don't like part of what God has to say, you better get over it. It will never change. [TABLE]
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[TD="class: td2, colspan: 2"]Proverbs 30:5,6 "Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. [SUP] [/SUP]Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar."

Do you want His word to be a shield to you, or an accuser? Our choice. My mind has been made up for awhile now. As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.
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[SeaBass]

Romans 3:4 "God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged."

Reflect on what that means. Truth is immutable. It doesn't matter whether we like all of the word of God. It cannot be changed. It is permanent. All we can do is make ourselves look foolish by trying. You can't walk under a waterfall and not get wet. There are some people that will, come out soaking wet, and claim they aren't wet. What they say and think doesn't change truth. Nothing can.

If you don't like part of what God has to say, you better get over it. It will never change. [TABLE]
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[TD="class: td2, colspan: 2"]Proverbs 30:5,6 "Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar."

Do you want His word to be a shield to you, or an accuser? Our choice. My mind has been made up for awhile now. As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.[/TD]
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"The truth" also does not contradict itself. So how can there be thousands of religious groups that contradict each other yet all possess "the truth"?

 

[crossnote]

"The truth" also does not contradict itself. So how can there be thousands of religious groups that contradict each other yet all possess "the truth"?

1 Corinthians 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

Fog brains we are, looking into pure crystal.

 

[LT]

because the Truth is simple:
Christ died for our sin, and rose from the dead.
If you believe that Jesus is the Son of God, and have faith and trust that His sacrifice is enough to free you from sin, then you are saved.

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If they have these truths, then they are in the Truth.

We tend to complicate everything, because we want control.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

"The truth" also does not contradict itself. So how can there be thousands of religious groups that contradict each other yet all possess "the truth"?

for the same reason people walk out of the waterfull soaking wet. then claim they are not wet. then get made when you tell them they are wet, and claim you have no truth in you, you are a heretic. "If I were wet. Don't you think I would know it..who are you to judge? are you God......etc etc..

 

[mailmandan]

because the Truth is simple:
Christ died for our sin, and rose from the dead.
If you believe that Jesus is the Son of God, and have faith and trust that His sacrifice is enough to free you from sin, then you are saved.

Amen! Christ's finished work of redemption is sufficient and complete. No supplements needed. Believe and receive (John 1:12; Acts 16:31; Romans 1:16).

We tend to complicate everything, because we want control.

Yes, and credit. PRIDE is the enemy!

 

[2Thewaters]

because the Truth is simple:
Christ died for our sin, and rose from the dead.
If you believe that Jesus is the Son of God, and have faith and trust that His sacrifice is enough to free you from sin, then you are saved.

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If they have these truths, then they are in the Truth.

We tend to complicate everything, because we want control.

That is incorrect

and twisted into a false belief that will fail you

here is the correct version

If you believe that Jesus is the Son of God, and have faith and trust that His sacrifice is enough to give you power to stop sinning, then you are freed from sinning and sanctified.


huge difference

one gospel false and one true


2 Tim 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 Tim 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2 Tim 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
2 Tim 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2 Tim 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power to stop sinning thereof: from such turn away.
2 Tim 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2 Tim 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

 

[LT]

That is incorrect

and twisted into a false belief that will fail you

here is the correct version

If you believe that Jesus is the Son of God, and have faith and trust that His sacrifice is enough to give you power to stop sinning, then you are freed from sinning and sanctified.


huge difference

one gospel false and one true


2 Tim 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 Tim 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2 Tim 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
2 Tim 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2 Tim 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power to stop sinning thereof: from such turn away.
2 Tim 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2 Tim 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

You're possibly reading something into the statement that isn't there, and/or adding extra that is already covered (except for the 'then' conjunctive adverb, which adds a non-biblical order of operations for salvation). In fact, other than the use of 'then', I agree fully with your statement as the simple Gospel.

Saying that 'His sacrifice is enough to free you from sin' covers the sanctifying work that the Holy Spirit does in our lives. Sanctification is not possible without the Spirit. We gain the power of the Holy Spirit at conversion. One must be saved 1st before they can have power over the sin in their lives. If someone has no power over sin, then how can they claim to be Spirit filled?

However, Licence vs Legalism is not part of the Gospel, and not a debate needed to be won before a person is saved.

The Holy Spirit certainly gives us power to resist temptation, and overcome sin in our lives, but...
that is part of maturing in Christ.
Baby steps first. Milk before meat.
Action before faith is useless. Faith first, and action follows.

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There is a chance that you only used 'then' to parallel the form of my quote; in which case, we would have absolute agreement, and no reason for debate. If it was a simple mistake like that, and I read into your statement, then I apologize for making it sound like I disagree with you.

 

[SeaBass]

1 Corinthians 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

Fog brains we are, looking into pure crystal.

Quoting 1 Cor 13:12 does not solve your problem with all the religious groups contradicting each other yet all still somehow have God's "truth". Lies are wrapped in contradictions, not God's truth.

 

[SeaBass]

because the Truth is simple:
Christ died for our sin, and rose from the dead.
If you believe that Jesus is the Son of God, and have faith and trust that His sacrifice is enough to free you from sin, then you are saved.

---------------
If they have these truths, then they are in the Truth.

We tend to complicate everything, because we want control.

There are contradictions among the various religious groups on what it means to believe and have faith.
And salvation is just one of many, many topics where contradictions abound.

 

[chubbena]

God's word is truth on a condition i.e. my interpretation, isn't it?

Many believe Jesus is the Son of God while denying He's the Word of God.

 

[RedTent]

"The truth" also does not contradict itself. So how can there be thousands of religious groups that contradict each other yet all possess "the truth"?

Insightful question!!

When we accept God as truth and accept His plan of redemption for us, we become one family. Everyone who does that is our siblings. We are to love all of them, but just like in any family there are differences of opinion. That doesn't mean that all true members of that family says agreement is a requirement of love. True members of this family still stand together in love for each other.

 

[p_rehbein]

Gods Holy Word IS TRUTH...........it is THE ONLY TRUTH in all the world......any who argue this are not of God......

Now, mans understanding/interpretation? Yeah, that's where TRUTH becomes "the glass darkly" in my opinion.

Mans understanding/interpretation does not IN ANY WAY change the fact that Gods Holy Word is TRUTH.

(but, now, that may just be me, so............)

 

[phil112]

God's word is truth on a condition i.e. my interpretation, isn't it?

Many believe Jesus is the Son of God while denying He's the Word of God.

Then they don't believe truth.

 

[RedTent]

Then they don't believe truth.

No one sees clearly. We see everything distorted by our worldly experiences, scripture says we see darkly. From your posts, I see you accept Christ and have the Holy Spirit, yet you and I disagree on almost everything else. I have had experiences that show me I have the Holy Spirit. You have even accused me of not believing in Christ!!! Just saying as in the post I am quoting "they don't believe in truth" shows you sometimes say mistaken things, for you are not to accuse anyone of things like this. Only God knows about this "they" you speak of and we often read what people say through our eyes not the Lord's.

So truth is an absolute, it is there and absolutely true. It resides with the Lord. But we can only reach for it best we can, and be humble before scripture, the Holy Ghost and the Lord as we reach. Never being so prideful that we think we know all truth and are the only ones who understands it correctly. If you and I understood correctly, we as both with the same Father in the Lord would agree and we don't. And I am well aware that you have gone to the Lord to explain to Him that my understanding of Him is too far off to have Him accept me!! Sorry. You are still my brother, right or wrong.

 

[phil112]

Originally Posted by chubbenaGod's word is truth on a condition i.e. my interpretation, isn't it?

Many believe Jesus is the Son of God while denying He's the Word of God.

Originally Posted by phil112Then they don't believe truth.

No one sees clearly. We see everything distorted by our worldly experiences, scripture says we see darkly. From your posts, I see you accept Christ and have the Holy Spirit, yet you and I disagree on almost everything else. I have had experiences that show me I have the Holy Spirit. You have even accused me of not believing in Christ!!! Just saying as in the post I am quoting "they don't believe in truth" shows you sometimes say mistaken things, for you are not to accuse anyone of things like this. .......................

The stament was made that someone denies Christ is the word. Christ is the word. If they don't believe that then they don't believe truth, because that is true.

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us

I pointed out the obvious.
I have never said you didn't believe in Christ. I said you reject Him.
Any law-keeper/sabbath-keeper rejects Christ. He took those commandments, the ones never meant for you and I, and nailed them to the cross. Yet you insist on reaching back in time to resurrect an ordinance that never applied to you. That is flat our rejection of Christ and what He died for.

 

[RedTent]

The stament was made that someone denies Christ is the word. Christ is the word. If they don't believe that then they don't believe truth, because that is true.
I pointed out the obvious.
I have never said you didn't believe in Christ. I said you reject Him.
Any law-keeper/sabbath-keeper rejects Christ. He took those commandments, the ones never meant for you and I, and nailed them to the cross. Yet you insist on reaching back in time to resurrect an ordinance that never applied to you. That is flat our rejection of Christ and what He died for.

NOW!! I can say you are flat wrong by the word of the Lord. When I do the best to love the Lord with my trying to obey Christ after He saved me, that is not rejecting Christ. When I go to church on Sunday even though I would rather do it on Saturday, going to church and giving myself to honoring the day the Lord set aside is NOT reaching back in time to do as the book of Hebrews teaches not to do. What you say you believe in is flat out rejecting Christ and all Christ asks of us. If you would take the time to read scripture, you would find it there.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That is incorrect

and twisted into a false belief that will fail you

here is the correct version

If you believe that Jesus is the Son of God, and have faith and trust that His sacrifice is enough to give you power to stop sinning, then you are freed from sinning and sanctified.


huge difference

one gospel false and one true


2 Tim 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 Tim 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2 Tim 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
2 Tim 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2 Tim 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power to stop sinning thereof: from such turn away.
2 Tim 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2 Tim 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

This is twisted, and will do nothing but make us modern day pharisees thinking we are moral righteous people and hiding the fact we still owe God a debt, And still are doomed with no hope

The cross paid the penalty for sin, Yes it also gives us the power to help us change our lives. But if it does not take the penalty of sin and wipe it away we are doomed.

Col 2[SUP] 11 [/SUP]In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins[SUP][c][/SUP] of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, [SUP]12 [/SUP]buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. [SUP]13 [/SUP]And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, [SUP]14 [/SUP]having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.

 

[crossnote]

Quoting 1 Cor 13:12 does not solve your problem with all the religious groups contradicting each other yet all still somehow have God's "truth". Lies are wrapped in contradictions, not God's truth.

Gee, you find a fault no matter what is said.
My point, and your mis guided answer illustrates, is that it is not the fault of God's Word but our blurred vision. And yes, religious groups have fogged vision...that is the reason for contradictions.
Paul said ''We see thru a glass darkly...''

 

[dcontroversal]

"The truth" also does not contradict itself. So how can there be thousands of religious groups that contradict each other yet all possess "the truth"?

Because people reject obvious truth in favor of lies.....they reject context and verb tenses and explain away truths that contradict the heresy that they spread....They deny the meanings of words and will say that the words in question don't mean what they really mean and they regurgitate what they have been taught or what their long dead great grand pappy believes and or taught!

Quite simply they deny truth in favor of lies and fables!