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Before we start we must understand that it was prophesied that the Antichrist would change God's Law and God's times. This was going to happen according to what has been revealed to us.

In order for Antichrist to change God's Law and times there has to be a changing of the Scriptures. If people read it in the Scriptures they will believe it. Let me give you an example. The holiday known as (Easter) is totally pagan and has no place in the house of God yet we find the word, Easter was added to the Scriptures to make it acceptable. Listen.

Acts 12:4 And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.

As a result of this we now have Scriptural proof that Easter is from God.

Now let's take a look at Acts:7-13 since these verses are used to help support Sunday observance in place of the seventh day Sabbath.

Acts 20:7-13 Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight. There were many lamps in the upper room where they were gathered together. And in a window sat a certain young man named Eutychus, who was sinking into a deep sleep. He was overcome by sleep; and as Paul continued speaking, he fell down from the third story and was taken up dead. But Paul went down, fell on him, and embracing him said, “Do not trouble yourselves, for his life is in him.” Now when he had come up, had broken bread and eaten, and talked a long while, even till daybreak, he departed. And they brought the young man in alive, and they were not a little comforted. Then we went ahead to the ship and sailed to Assos, there intending to take Paul on board; for so he had given orders, intending himself to go on foot.

The very first sentence begins with the misleading words, “day of the week”. These words, “day of the week” is one word in the Greek and it’s the Strong’s #G4521. These words, “day of the week” is the Greek word, “Sabbaton” which refers to the seventh day Sabbath.

G4521 σάββατον sabbaton (sab'-bat-on) n. the Sabbath (i.e. Shabbath)

What Luke is saying in the first sentence is, “On the first Sabbath when the disciple came together to break bread”. He is not saying the first day.

We find Luke would number the Sabbaths based on what week it was. If it was the second week of the month he would have said, “On the second Sabbath after the first”. Listen.

Luke 6:1 Now it happened on the second Sabbath after the first that He went through the grain fields. And His disciples plucked the heads of grain and ate them, rubbing them in their hands.

Let’s continue.

Luke goes on to say how the disciples met on the first Sabbath and because Paul was leaving the next day (Sunday) he spoke all night.

Here is how Acts 20:7 should read.

Acts 20:7 Now on the first Sabbath, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight.

So here we have the disciples gathering together on the Sabbath. Paul, knowing that he was going be leaving the next for his next missionary trip, spoke all night. The next morning (Sunday) he leaves for his trip at sunrise.

Acts 20:11 When Paul had gone back up and had broken the bread and eaten, he talked with them a long while until daybreak, and then left.

Paul leaves for his trip at daybreak Sunday morning. He traveled by ship and by foot all day Sunday. If Sunday was the new day of worship Paul would have been in church preaching the word of God just like he did every Sabbath.

Nowhere in the entire New Testament do you find the early church gathering for sacred assembly on Sunday, the first day. What you do find over and over again is Sabbath assembly.

Luke 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

Acts 17:2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures.

Acts 18:4 And Paul reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Gentiles.

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

Acts 16:13 And on the Sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.

Paul gathered in sacred assembly with the church at Corinth every Sabbath for a year and a half before leaving for another journey. That alone is 78 Sabbaths.

Acts 18:4 And Paul reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.
Acts 18:11 And Paul continued there a year and six months, teaching the word of God among them.


Let us remove all the leaven out of the Scriptures so that we can be of one mind in the will of God for His people.
 
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Most Christians understand that Easter is a holiday that has many traditions added to it, it coincides with the summer equinox, it had Catholic accoutrements, and Jesus probably didn't die in April. But we're ok with celebrating something that has such significance.
 
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Most Christians understand that Easter is a holiday that has many traditions added to it, it coincides with the summer equinox, it had Catholic accoutrements, and Jesus probably didn't die in April. But we're ok with celebrating something that has such significance.
Do you believe God still feels like this?

Deuteronomy 12:29-31 When the LORD goes ahead of you and destroys the nations and you live in their land, do not fall into the trap of following their customs and worshiping their gods. Do not inquire about their gods, saying, ‘How do these nations worship their gods? I want to follow their example.’ You must not worship the LORD the way the other nations worship their gods, for they perform for their gods everything the LORD hates.
 

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Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

Every translation that I looked at translates it the same way. The first day of the week. Even the Complete Jewish Bible translates it this same way.

Hebrews 7:11-16
[SUP]11 [/SUP]If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

There is of necessity a change also to the law. But only if your High Priest has changed.

Hebrews 7:17-19

[SUP]17 [/SUP]For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.


Are you a Christian?
 
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Before we start we must understand that it was prophesied that the Antichrist would change God's Law and God's times. This was going to happen according to what has been revealed to us.

In order for Antichrist to change God's Law and times there has to be a changing of the Scriptures. If people read it in the Scriptures they will believe it. Let me give you an example. The holiday known as (Easter) is totally pagan and has no place in the house of God yet we find the word, Easter was added to the Scriptures to make it acceptable. Listen.

Acts 12:4 And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.

As a result of this we now have Scriptural proof that Easter is from God.

Now let's take a look at Acts:7-13 since these verses are used to help support Sunday observance in place of the seventh day Sabbath.

Acts 20:7-13 Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight. There were many lamps in the upper room where they were gathered together. And in a window sat a certain young man named Eutychus, who was sinking into a deep sleep. He was overcome by sleep; and as Paul continued speaking, he fell down from the third story and was taken up dead. But Paul went down, fell on him, and embracing him said, “Do not trouble yourselves, for his life is in him.” Now when he had come up, had broken bread and eaten, and talked a long while, even till daybreak, he departed. And they brought the young man in alive, and they were not a little comforted. Then we went ahead to the ship and sailed to Assos, there intending to take Paul on board; for so he had given orders, intending himself to go on foot.

The very first sentence begins with the misleading words, “day of the week”. These words, “day of the week” is one word in the Greek and it’s the Strong’s #G4521. These words, “day of the week” is the Greek word, “Sabbaton” which refers to the seventh day Sabbath.

G4521 σάββατον sabbaton (sab'-bat-on) n. the Sabbath (i.e. Shabbath)

What Luke is saying in the first sentence is, “On the first Sabbath when the disciple came together to break bread”. He is not saying the first day.

We find Luke would number the Sabbaths based on what week it was. If it was the second week of the month he would have said, “On the second Sabbath after the first”. Listen.

Luke 6:1 Now it happened on the second Sabbath after the first that He went through the grain fields. And His disciples plucked the heads of grain and ate them, rubbing them in their hands.

Let’s continue.

Luke goes on to say how the disciples met on the first Sabbath and because Paul was leaving the next day (Sunday) he spoke all night.

Here is how Acts 20:7 should read.

Acts 20:7 Now on the first Sabbath, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight.

So here we have the disciples gathering together on the Sabbath. Paul, knowing that he was going be leaving the next for his next missionary trip, spoke all night. The next morning (Sunday) he leaves for his trip at sunrise.

Acts 20:11 When Paul had gone back up and had broken the bread and eaten, he talked with them a long while until daybreak, and then left.

Paul leaves for his trip at daybreak Sunday morning. He traveled by ship and by foot all day Sunday. If Sunday was the new day of worship Paul would have been in church preaching the word of God just like he did every Sabbath.

Nowhere in the entire New Testament do you find the early church gathering for sacred assembly on Sunday, the first day. What you do find over and over again is Sabbath assembly.

Luke 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

Acts 17:2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures.

Acts 18:4 And Paul reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Gentiles.

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

Acts 16:13 And on the Sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.

Paul gathered in sacred assembly with the church at Corinth every Sabbath for a year and a half before leaving for another journey. That alone is 78 Sabbaths.

Acts 18:4 And Paul reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.
Acts 18:11 And Paul continued there a year and six months, teaching the word of God among them.


Let us remove all the leaven out of the Scriptures so that we can be of one mind in the will of God for His people.
Easter wasn't the holiday that they were referring to, it was the Passover. Egg hunting wasn't biblical or having anything to do with Christ, unless you want to referred the eggs are the lost sheep that are being gather up.
 
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Easter wasn't the holiday that they were referring to, it was the Passover. Egg hunting wasn't biblical or having anything to do with Christ, unless you want to referred the eggs are the lost sheep that are being gather up.
Either way the word, Easter is in the Bible and it shouldn't be. Here is some information on Easter. The Pagan origins of Easter
 
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The word EASTER
is a great example
of how the translators
put their DESIRES into the bible
instead of the clear truth

other examples are hell, bless, forordained predestined and other false doctrines the church of England THOUGHT were truth

they didnt do it on purpose they didnt know the bible that well back then.


anyway

easter should have been

and still is

PASSKHA

and they translated that easter! which is
basically
totally
wrong

easter is according to the moon
and passka is according to Jewish schedule
they dont land on the smae day

so they basically put in what they wanted instead of what it was.

original word f God is inerrant

it was PASSKA

the translated KJV just missed the mark.
 
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all you have to do is look up the word, and there it is.

the concordances will say
Passover or easter.....
:)

that is too bad

they do not fall on the same day
so one is wrong...

cant even trust the concordances can you?
you have to read the word and search the word for yourself that is what Jesus told us to do.

search passka, and you will find the right day - passover
 
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Either way the word, Easter is in the Bible and it shouldn't be. Here is some information on Easter. The Pagan origins of Easter
Agree. Thank you for sharing your studies Scuba.

My quest for truth a few months ago began with this verse:
[h=3]Romans 10:13[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]13 [/SUP]For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

I wanted to call on the Name, but had to do quite a bit of research to find out what it was because the KJV doesn't tell you. Scuba, I was positively shattered to realize how deceived the whole world is..I was completely undone, all my life what I'd been taught in mainstream churches had been half truths, or down right lies..and so my real journey, my walk with my Creator began.

The devil has been working very hard to decieve the whole world since the garden of Eden. People have many strongholds, they don't even realize..satan wants our worship and has counterfeited the Word of the Almighty to get that worship he craves by causing many to worship God in vain.

My prayer and my desire is to know the truth, and if that means I leave behind pagan rituals I've participated in all my life..I will do it. Last Christmas was the first time I did not participate, nor did I acknowledge Easter, and I have found out something astonishing..the more we seek truth and obey the truth we know up to this point, the more truth we will be given. It is wonderful, it is beautiful, that our Father is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. HalleluYah, and praise Him, for He can be found to those who earnestly want to.

Someday the devil will be bound, not able to deceive, kill and destroy, but until that time we must not grow weary, nor be daunted that the truth is not popular.

thank you and Amein.
 
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Anyone can change the scriptures, I mean you could buy a bible company and change all the words you want!
but people will compare them to other versions
and then find out this verse or that verse is different
and then they will look it up with original greek or aramaic
and not only find the TRUTH, they will have that stick!

for if you look something up you never forget it!

so God doesnt mind
everyone does what they want
the devil comes along and changes key verses like ijn the Jehov witness bible and it now sounds more like their doctrines, and everyone else doesnt buy it!

so it is self defeating...

but actually no man can change it enouch to make a difference

for I can take the CHANGED Jehovah witness bible and prove the kingdom is not what they say it is quite easily

see, all the dotrines in the bibles all support each other perfectly and you cant break the links without finding others that point the other way!

example KJV

the orignal word for BAWRAK is KNEEL DOWN

the KJV people for some reason did not put in KNEEL DOWN in all the verses bawrak praise was mentined they substituted another word called
BLESSS

which means....
absolutely nothing

why?
they didnt want to kneel down

the king does not kneel to God
he is a king!
and so they used another word which no one knows what it means
sbut
as in Gods providence
they MISSED A VERS!

there is one verse in the entire king james bible that has correct BAWRAK translation!

that is in psalms

it say

O come let us WORSHIP and BOW DOWN let us KNEEL (BAWRACK) BEFORE the Lord our maker!

so they blew it

anyone who loves God will find that verse
and will always kneel in worship

so that didn't work.

God still recieved reverance.


so there are a few changes here and there

but there are always others that bring back the truth
the bible is true
and God iw watching over it.

you cant hide the truth it will always come out

the best way to find these major changes is to read OTHER TRANSLATIONS!

the enemy thought he could make other translations that would confuse people andthey would be lost

but his law of copyright (totally evil) prevented them from changin wrongly! neg with a neg makes a positive!

copyright says you have to change 10% of the words to make a copyright version you can sell

so what did they bible makesrs do?

they went and changed everyword they could to like words from the strongs definitions

so each Bible has 1-% different words

if you read 4 versions

you get 40% different words

and if you read ten versions you get 100% guarantee that you get ALL THE POSSIBLE DEFINITIONS of a word

and the KJV few changes stick out like a sore thumb
and not only that
they draw attention to themselves

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so it all has helped to actually get the right meaning :)

God is wise and good isn't he?

the best way to study

is get an electronic Bible and click on every word and see what they really mean

easter is so easy

it is just an OBVIOUSLY ADDED WORD that does not belong there
so simple

it also proves womwone somwhere was trying to change Gods word!

no sconspiracy theory consiracy fact!

but it didnt work.
 
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A serious moneymaker that men thought was necessary was the eternal burning torturing hell fire
they thought their kids would come to God unless thy really threatened them good!

But you cant win love with torture threats!

the enemy converted the bible to greek, and it has few terms for these things all they had was hades and greek mythology in their religion so it got accepted and the enemy thought he had a huge vitory, so he had the v-can protect that hellish magnified version and then made it the standared

but they forgot toe to change all the SOTRIES like lazarus and the Abraham and rich man and beggar and all solomons parables and they messed up again.

to the unstudious they would fall for it
but anyone who actually reads the bible would not fall for it

God does not torture eternally

so the honest say"

what is going on here!

so they look up the word
why even the concordance says hell-an ever burning place! when that is not in the bible

so we look up in revelation

...they shall burn forever and ever......

and we see
that is quite an embelishment
it should read
they burn in punishment until they are all burned up.

makes more sense

so looking for these things is easy

read your bible
Believe Jesus stories
Lazarus is all you need to totally understand death that is why Jesus had Lazerus die and be raised again

he knew he would need that story to contradict all the enemies futures twists.

anyway
rea the bible
dont believe anything but god in prayer and you will find the truth
it always comes out

God does NOT torture beings forever, this is so without love, they burn up in hell but they are killed and then God creates all things new


why even
there is a hell it is called SHEOL it is GRAVE
there is PUNISHMENT it is called lake of fire.
it is coming

but it doesnt burn forever...

Why even satan himself burns up to ahses...
and god says he willl never be or exist again.


but it doesnt burn forever
I believe in justice and all that

but do you really believe god would take a teenager who reject him who has lived for 15 years and then tortures him forever?
you know not what spirit you are of.
 
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Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

Every translation that I looked at translates it the same way. The first day of the week. Even the Complete Jewish Bible translates it this same way.

Hebrews 7:11-16
[SUP]11 [/SUP]If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

There is of necessity a change also to the law. But only if your High Priest has changed.

Hebrews 7:17-19

[SUP]17 [/SUP]For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.


Are you a Christian?
Are you saying that scripture tells us to get rid of certain scripture? It is from the same God, we are to listen to scripture. Scripture does not say it eliminated a high priest, it said there is still a high priest with the same duties, but those duties are taken over by Christ. So the law having to do with the physical temple have changed, we are to know that we have one God who speaks in one voice. Your idea that God wiped out spiritual law just isn't verified by scripture. Scripture showed, law by law, just what was changed when the high priest was changed and what wasn't.

Before, we had only the hope of the symbols of Christ, and animal blood was used for that. It was not effective as the real blood was. Surely you can see that what happened those three days Christ was paying for our sin changed everything for the better? It wiped out nothing, but it made everything better. Read what happened when the curtain in the temple was split. It spells out what changed for the better. In eternal time, Christ and what He did always was, otherwise man could not have had atonement. There was a change when it happened in our kind of time, but there was no wiping out of God done, it was a making better.

Do you think you are in a position to judge anyone's Christianity? Or given the right to question it. "Are you a Christian" asked of someone who speaks of believing the bible is completely out of line.
 
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The letter kills! Love heals and covers! Babylon is confusion. Let me give you an example of that. If money is taken out of the equation, there wouldn't be a Christian or a Muslim as neither would not be able to profit from the people. Just people of God.

We have enough people, intelligence, resources, and technology to truly liberate all of mankind. Instead we live in a world in which it is more concerned with moving money, paper and numbers on a computer screen around, instead of housing, clothing and feeding people.

Now we talk about God's laws and times everyday here on CC. I have not read ANYWHERE in God's law that we need money to survive!

None of His other creatures use it! Why do we?

So to me, this is the root of all our problems.

Our Savior lives! And He promised eternal life to all who believes. But we choose death in our traditions as if our plan on how to live in society is better than God's!


How can man improve on FREE??
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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it seems like this shameless rewriting of the bible is becoming more and more popular with certain people lately...

there is a reason bible translators render 'first sabbaton' as 'first day of the week' instead of 'first sabbath' as you are insisting it means...

the reason is because the translation you propose creates problems of self contradiction in other passages elsewhere in the bible...since the bible has no errors your 'first sabbath' idea must be in error instead...


and about the so called 'pagan origins of easter'...this is just an urban legend that has been refuted here... http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/39430-myths-realities-about-easter.html