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[Laodicea]

I'm not saying that, even though we are to present our bodies a living sacrifice holy and acceptable unto God which is expected and a reasonable service. There are only 3 feasts that are in the law which are required for us to observe (not seven) and those are supposed to be observed through Christ in the Spirit given of God.

This is the improper way to observe the feasts.

Malachi 2:3 Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it.

Luke 20:46 Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts;

Jude 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds [they are] without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead , plucked up by the roots ;

This is the proper way to observe the feasts

Nehemiah 8:18 Also day by day, from the first day unto the last day, he read in the book of the law of God. And they kept the feast seven days; and on the eighth day was a solemn assembly, according unto the manner.

Nehemiah 9:1-3
1 Now in the twenty and fourth day of this month the children of Israel were assembled with fasting, and with sackclothes, and earth upon them. 2 And the seed of Israel separated themselves from all strangers , and stood and confessed their sins, and the iniquities of their fathers.
3 And they stood up in their place, and read in the book of the law of the LORD their God one fourth part of the day; and another fourth part they confessed , and worshipped the LORD their God.

1 Corinthians 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast , not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Acts 18:20-21
20 When they desired him to tarry longer time with them, he consented not;
21 But bade them farewell , saying , I must by all means keep this feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God will . And he sailed from Ephesus.

Galatians 6:6 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.

Hebrews 13:6 But to do good and to communicate forget not: for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.

There is still a temple made without hands, our High Priest who is Christ Jesus, so the Spiritual principles of the foreshadows of those things still apply in Spirit to all, for man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that has ever proceeded out of the mouth of God. The bread exemplifies the carnal and God's word has always been spiritual for "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." (John 4:24)

Observe the feasts with this in mind. If our observation of the foreshadow of things to come is seen only in the physical we are of a carnal mind. If we are subject to the principles of the righteousness of God's word in "Spirit" we will view the feasts in a way that He has always meant them to be observed. We don't kill animals anymore, but we take up our cross daily and follow our Lord Jesus Christ.

Romans 8:5-7
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be .

In a previous post you were talking of keeping the feasts at certain times of the year, now it looks like you are contradicting yourself.

Colossians 2:14 KJV
(14) Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Colossians 2:16 KJV
(16) Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:


The ordinaces are relating to the 7 feasts which were ordinances. Therefore means he is referring to his previous comments. So because Jesus death blotted out ordinaces or 7 feasts then there is no need to keep them. To say SDA are wrong in not keeping them is to go against the Bible.

 

[just-me]

In a previous post you were talking of keeping the feasts at certain times of the year, now it looks like you are contradicting yourself.

Colossians 2:14 KJV
(14) Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Colossians 2:16 KJV
(16) Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:


The ordinaces are relating to the 7 feasts which were ordinances. Therefore means he is referring to his previous comments. So because Jesus death blotted out ordinaces or 7 feasts then there is no need to keep them. To say SDA are wrong in not keeping them is to go against the Bible.

2 Chronicles 8:13 Even after a certain rate every day, offering according to the commandment of Moses, on the sabbaths, and on the new moons, and on the solemn feasts, three times in the year, even in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles.

These observances are not against us in relation to the verses you quoted in Colossians. Please don't judge me thinking I might be accusing you "in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days."

Neither the law of God nor the feasts of God were ever nailed to the cross. *Sin was crucified in Christ. That is the essence of what was nailed to the cross. We are no longer under the condemnation of the law that was against us.

Passover is the first day of unleavened bread. Jesus died on the same day.

The day after the feast of weeks is the same day Moses went up to the mount to receive the tablets of stone. This is the same day as Pentecost. This is the feast that contain first fruits.

Romans 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept .

The feast of tabernacles is preempted by trumpets and atonement which are not feasts according to scripture. It is a time to remember the other 2 feasts, remembering Christ's death and the sending of the Holy Spirit after His resurrection. It is for us to look forward to the future by the hope that is in us.

Romans 5:5 5 And hope maketh not ashamed ; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

The feast of tabernacles is also a rehearsal looking for the the 2nd coming of Christ and a time to remember the magnificence of our Saviour with the plan of salvation according to Colossians chapter 3 for this describes our Lord Jesus as the sole Creator of all things, Him being the master architect of salvation.

These things are not "contrary to us" at all. The law and commandments contained in ordinances have to do with the physical temple made by humans hands. They are contrary to us because Christ fulfilled those things, making a temple of us without hands, Him being our High Priest.

Ephesians 2:14-16
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having *slain the enmity thereby.

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid : yea, we establish the law.

 

[Laodicea]

*Exodus 23:17 KJV*
Three times in the year all thy males shall appear before the Lord GOD.


If you are going to keep that three times a year as in the OT then it was every male. Also do you see it as an issue not keeping the feasts?

 

[just-me]

*Exodus 23:17 KJV*
Three times in the year all thy males shall appear before the Lord GOD.


If you are going to keep that three times a year as in the OT then it was every male. Also do you see it as an issue not keeping the feasts?

Not remembering God's grace toward us by those things He gives us is not good. As far as the guys go, they were not to be empty handing when coming. It doesn't exclude the gals if that's what you are thinking. If you really want to know about it all you must have a desire rather than a held out hand of rejection. We are to observe these things via the Spirit not in the flesh. Paul said that the law is Spiritual and with his mind he served the law of God.

It is good to observe these laws that are not in Exodus chapter 20:3-17, and I'm sure you will agree with me on this.

Leviticus 19:15-18
15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
16 Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD. 17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
18 Thou shalt not avenge , nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

Deuteronomy 6:1-6
1 Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
2 That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged .
3 Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.
4 Hear , O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

Without those observations we prove that we don't love the Lord very much. These things were given to us because He loved us first. A love relationship thrives on reciprocation in a loving manner.

We love him, because he first loved us. 1 John 4:19

 

[just-me]

Continuing from post #24 in reference to the guys.

As far as the guys go, they were not to be empty handing when coming. We are to observe these things via the Spirit not in the flesh. Paul said that the law is Spiritual and with his mind he served the law of God.

Deuteronomy 16:16 Three times in a year shall all thy males appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose ; in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles: and they shall not appear before the LORD empty:

That goes for all of us in this new covenant. Though Christ Jesus now even women can be circumcised.

Here is another law that is good to follow.
Deuteronomy 10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked

Colossians 2:10-11
10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

 

[Laodicea]

But do you see it as an issue if we do not keep the feasts? Also you are talking about keeping the spiritual aspect of the feasts not the literal, then why keep it at a set time of year which is a literal aspect?

 

[just-me]

But do you see it as an issue if we do not keep the feasts? Also you are talking about keeping the spiritual aspect of the feasts not the literal, then why keep it at a set time of year which is a literal aspect?

I see it as an issue if the clergy does not teach the reason why God gave them. They are for observation of what God has done and will do. They do revolve around the harvest times as a sort of parable. (later harvest and firstfruits) I like the sower and the seed parable which is my favorite because I was born and raised on a farm. Yes I am talking about keeping the spiritual aspect of the feasts, not in the flesh without faith as some might do.

I do not keep the feasts because of certain time periods according to the calendar that we know or even the Hebrew calendar. Even the Saturday is not according to the Hebrew calendar Sabbath, but to gather is good no matter what day people can get together. The feasts are for convocation and that means assembling together just like some do on Saturday, and some do on Sunday. If the feasts are celebrated at a certain time so all can attend, then that's the day to convocate, meaning to discuss and learn and rejoice together in what the feasts are all about. Saturday for SDA is a scheduled time. That certainly doesn't make it legalistic or wrong.

 

[Kerry]

Guess I am excluded, that's not politically correct now is it?

 

[just-me]

Guess I am excluded, that's not politically correct now is it?

You're right. I am not politically correct in almost everything. LOL You are not excluded however. Come, join the convocation.

 

[Laodicea]

I see it as an issue if the clergy does not teach the reason why God gave them. They are for observation of what God has done and will do. They do revolve around the harvest times as a sort of parable. (later harvest and firstfruits) I like the sower and the seed parable which is my favorite because I was born and raised on a farm. Yes I am talking about keeping the spiritual aspect of the feasts, not in the flesh without faith as some might do.

I do not keep the feasts because of certain time periods according to the calendar that we know or even the Hebrew calendar. Even the Saturday is not according to the Hebrew calendar Sabbath, but to gather is good no matter what day people can get together. The feasts are for convocation and that means assembling together just like some do on Saturday, and some do on Sunday. If the feasts are celebrated at a certain time so all can attend, then that's the day to convocate, meaning to discuss and learn and rejoice together in what the feasts are all about. Saturday for SDA is a scheduled time. That certainly doesn't make it legalistic or wrong.

I know why they were given, they were given to teach the plan of salvation. Jesus is our passover, He is the bread, He is the first fruits. We could go over all 7 and relate them to Christ. They were shadows that pointed to Christ. Why keep the shadow when we now have the true. The topic of the 7 feasts can be discussed in a new topic if you wish?

The 7th day Sabbath is not a shadow and never was. It is a memorial.

 

[just-me]

I know why they were given, they were given to teach the plan of salvation. Jesus is our passover, He is the bread, He is the first fruits. We could go over all 7 and relate them to Christ. They were shadows that pointed to Christ. Why keep the shadow when we now have the true. The topic of the 7 feasts can be discussed in a new topic if you wish?

The 7th day Sabbath is not a shadow and never was. It is a memorial.

For the third time the scripture says there are 3 feasts, not 7. And they are a memorial as I mentioned to remember. We are not talking about the same thing evidently. Here is an example. The flour used represents the word of God. There are portions of flour called "omer". Omer is defined as "promise". So a portion of God's word is read, observed, and understood in context to what it goes with in the feasts that are being observed. There are 10 "omers in a ephah so that can be related to the 10 commandments which in Hebrew is called the 10 words.

Now this might cause you some heart burn. Exodus 20:3-17 were heard by all of Israel directly from God. The stone tablets were given to Moses recorded in chapter 24 several days later. Direct from the Hebrew language, Exodus 34:28, Deuteronomy 4:13, and Deuteronomy 10:4 all say "the ten Words" instead of the "Ten Commandments". There is nothing in the Bible that confirms that the commandments in Exodus 20:3-17 were ever written on stone. Nothing.

 

[just-me]

I dare say the SDA is not for me after this discussion. Sorry Laodicea Thanks anyway.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/99697-should-we-still-keep-feasts-4.html#post1699974

 

[ELECT]

Don't just limit it to reading and studying. Continue doing it. The more you do it, the more God will teach you. For as many faults as SDA's have, they do honor the Sabbath and there is something to be said for that. If there are no other congregations honoring the Sabbath near you, the SDA's are a decent alternative. Keeping the Sabbath in fellowship with others is far better than doing it by yourself.

So keeping Sabbath with false doctrine is ok please provide scripture thank you

light and darkness cannot have fellowship with eachother

 

[KohenMatt]

So keeping Sabbath with false doctrine is ok please provide scripture thank you

light and darkness cannot have fellowship with eachother

I said it was a decent alternative to keeping it by yourself.

No congregation is perfect, even yours (whatever it might be). But God set the Sabbath aside as a special day and told His people to keep it. It can be a beneficial thing to keep the Sabbath in fellowship, even if it's with people who have some faulty beliefs.

 

[Laodicea]

I dare say the SDA is not for me after this discussion. Sorry Laodicea Thanks anyway.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/99697-should-we-still-keep-feasts-4.html#post1699974

That is your choice, but we do not live in the shadows.

 

[Laodicea]

For the third time the scripture says there are 3 feasts, not 7. And they are a memorial as I mentioned to remember. We are not talking about the same thing evidently. Here is an example. The flour used represents the word of God. There are portions of flour called "omer". Omer is defined as "promise". So a portion of God's word is read, observed, and understood in context to what it goes with in the feasts that are being observed. There are 10 "omers in a ephah so that can be related to the 10 commandments which in Hebrew is called the 10 words.

Now this might cause you some heart burn. Exodus 20:3-17 were heard by all of Israel directly from God. The stone tablets were given to Moses recorded in chapter 24 several days later. Direct from the Hebrew language, Exodus 34:28, Deuteronomy 4:13, and Deuteronomy 10:4 all say "the ten Words" instead of the "Ten Commandments". There is nothing in the Bible that confirms that the commandments in Exodus 20:3-17 were ever written on stone. Nothing.

You cant read the Bible well, what was placed inside the ark of the covenant?

 

[JesusLives]

I dare say the SDA is not for me after this discussion. Sorry Laodicea Thanks anyway.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/99697-should-we-still-keep-feasts-4.html#post1699974

Please keep praying that God will continue with His Holy Spirit to lead you into all truth, this is what I desire for you and myself. Sorry we have disappointed you. I am continuing to pray for you and your family as I pray for all on CC members to continue to let God lead in our lives. Thanks for your consideration of our church. Please visit the online stream at least once. ClearwaterSDA.org. Blessings to you and your family. Darlene/JesusLives

 

[Wall]

The 7 feasts were shadows. The feasts required sacrifices, so if you say we should keep the feasts then you have to sacrifice as well.

Not so Laodicea. We are still to keep the feast days. Its the sacrifices done on those days (the meat and drink offerings) that are no longer required.

Colossians 2:16-17 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

 

[Laodicea]

Not so Laodicea. We are still to keep the feast days. Its the sacrifices done on those days (the meat and drink offerings) that are no longer required.

Colossians 2:16-17 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

The feasts were centered on both the sanctuary and the sacrifice. How do you have a feast without either? The feasts were ordinances.

 

[Wall]

The feasts were centered on both the sanctuary and the sacrifice. How do you have a feast without either? The feasts were ordinances.

Yup. The feasts were by ordinance.

EXODUS 12 [11] And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is THE LORD'S PASSOVER. [12] For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the Lord. [13] And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt. [14] And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the Lord throughout your generations; ye shall keep it A FEAST BY AN ORDINANCE FOR EVER.

COL.2 [14] Blotting out THE HANDWRITING OF ORDINANCES that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;[15] And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.[16] Let no man therefore judge you in MEAT, or in DRINK, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:[17] Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.


Jesus blotted out “only” the handwriting of those ordinances.


HEBREWS 9 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary...... [9] Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Verse 10. The handwriting of those ordinances



ACTS 18 [20] When they desired him to tarry longer time with them, he consented not; [21] But bade them farewell, saying, I MUST BY ALL MEANS KEEP THIS FEAST THAT COMETH IN JERUSALEM: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus.

Here we find Paul keeping one of the feast days in Jersalem long after Christ had been crucified


1 COR. 5 [6] Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? [7] Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: [8] THEREFORE LET US KEEP THE FEAST, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Let us keep the feast....long after the crucifixion