A discussion of the nearness of the endtimes

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Runningman said:
Anti-Christ in the temple of Solomon is considered one of the definitive signs to accurately measure the remaining time until the second coming of Christ. Once that it totally rebuilt then it's a matter of mere years. As far as the rapture goes, it's either post-tribulation or pre-tribulation. See the book of Revelations.
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The Temple of Soloman was destroyed by the Babylonians centuries before Christ. The first temple that was desecrated was the second one built on the return from Babylon where Antiochus Epihaims set up a statue of Jupiter and sacrificed a Sow on the altar. He was defeated by the Maccabee brothers who cleansed and rededicated the temple. The event is commemorated by the festival of Hannakah known in Johns gospel as the Feast of the Dedication, (10:22) Jesus used this event to warn his Disciples and every believer of a future antichrist who would desecrate the temple. Thats why in Matthew it says let the reader understand. They were well aquainted with the history. What happened in the days of Maccabees was a type of what was to happen in the future using Rome and with the ultimate Antichrist in the last days.
 
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You have made some seriously incorrect remarks about the Koran vs the Bible. People should understand that the Koran is A DELIBERATE DISTORTION of the Bible.

There were no "Muslim" women at that time, since there was no Koran, no Mohammad, and no Islam until about 600 AD.

The Ishmaelites, the Edomites, the Moabites, and the Ammonites were all descended from Abraham, AND ALL HATED the Israelites. That hatred between Arabs and Jews remains to this day.

Muslims do NOT have the same God as Christians or as Abraham. Their god Allah was originally a pagan deity -- the moon god. And Abraham was never in Mecca with Ishmael building the Ka'aba. Mohammad was familiar with the Bible, yet the Koran is at odds with both Christians and Jews.

This is GROSSLY in error. Muslims conquered Palestine in around the 7th century and then later around the 12th century. But by the 20th century Palestine was a British Mandate and under the 1917 Balfour Declaration a Jewish national home was established. Muslims and Arabs have no right to the land of Israel, since God gave it to the israelites under the Abrahamic Covenant. Even the visit of Mohammad to Jerusalem is based upon legend. And the Palestinians have rejected every peace proposal, since they wish to maintain permanent hostilities against Israel.
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I have no idea why you persist to come at me when after I read your post its clearly evident you don't have a clue!

You clearly speak out of racism towards both the Hebrew and the Muslim.

You don't even know how the Hebrews interpreted the Tanakh while spouting off words that have never meant to the Hebrew what they mean to those who speak English.

For a Christian, there is a Pastor, for the Jew there is a Rabbi, for the Muslim there is an Iman. I meet with several Pastors, Rabbis and Iman's once a month in a group designed to discuss Biblical matters. And I can assure you that the Muslims do in fact believe the Creation version of Adam, believe in Jesus as a Prophet, but gained their knowledge of God through Father Abraham.

There are more similarities with the Hebrew and Muslim beliefs than there are with Christian beliefs towards them both.
 
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Go ahead and disagree!
Your IGNORANCE speaks VOLUMES to God!
 
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Abraham is called Ibrahim by Muslims. They see him as the father of the Arab people as well as the Jewish people through his two sons, Isaac and Ishmael (Isma'il in Arabic).

Indeed Muslims believe & worship the one true God of Jacob, Isaac, Abraham, Noah, & Adam. The Koran clearly praises Abraham for disbelieving in the deity of the moon & only believing the one true God!
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They do not worship the moon god!

Muslims believe in the God of Abraham and Ishmael. Christians and Jews came before Muslims. Basically Judaism and Christianity trace their heritage through Abraham’s son Isaac, and Muslims trace their heritage through another son, Ishmael, who was sent away from Canaan (where Abraham lived) with his mother, Hagar, after Isaac was born.

The Muslims believe they are specifically descendant from Ishmael, Abraham's first son. Thus the line of Isaac and the line of Ishmael continue to fight over the Holy Land.
 
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I have no idea why you persist to come at me when after I read your post its clearly evident you don't have a clue!

You clearly speak out of racism towards both the Hebrew and the Muslim.

You don't even know how the Hebrews interpreted the Tanakh while spouting off words that have never meant to the Hebrew what they mean to those who speak English.


There are more similarities with the Hebrew and Muslim beliefs than there are with Christian beliefs towards them both.
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"For a Christian, there is a Pastor, for the Jew there is a Rabbi, for the Muslim there is an Iman. I meet with several Pastors, Rabbis and Iman's once a month in a group designed to discuss Biblical matters. And I can assure you that the Muslims do in fact believe the Creation version of Adam, believe in Jesus as a Prophet, but gained their knowledge of God through Father Abraham."

I can see why you have a problem. Christianity isn't an equivalent truth. It is THE Truth.
You are commission to preach the gospel. Not to parlay with other religions to achieve some kind of ecumenical goal. This ecumenical business belongs with the fake Pope along with the other doomed religions of this present age.

Furthermore the apostle Paul makes a point of stating that we are never to engage in spiritual pursuits with unbelievers or their enterprises. I can't think of the peculiar passage right now but I will find it for you.
 
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Abraham is called Ibrahim by Muslims. They see him as the father of the Arab people as well as the Jewish people through his two sons, Isaac and Ishmael (Isma'il in Arabic).

Indeed Muslims believe & worship the one true God of Jacob, Isaac, Abraham, Noah, & Adam. The Koran clearly praises Abraham for disbelieving in the deity of the moon & only believing the one true God!
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They do not worship the moon god!

Muslims believe in the God of Abraham and Ishmael. Christians and Jews came before Muslims. Basically Judaism and Christianity trace their heritage through Abraham’s son Isaac, and Muslims trace their heritage through another son, Ishmael, who was sent away from Canaan (where Abraham lived) with his mother, Hagar, after Isaac was born.

The Muslims believe they are specifically descendant from Ishmael, Abraham's first son. Thus the line of Isaac and the line of Ishmael continue to fight over the Holy Land.
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The sons of Jacob are identifiable to this present day with a high degree of certainty.
The sons of Ishmael........not so much. Their identity has been lost to the sands of time for the most part. And Ishmaelites were not to inherit the land of Israel in fact they were expressly and purposefully kicked out of it. Furthermore it is absolutely clear that Ishmael was Abraham's big mistake.
 
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cv5 said:
"For a Christian, there is a Pastor, for the Jew there is a Rabbi, for the Muslim there is an Iman. I meet with several Pastors, Rabbis and Iman's once a month in a group designed to discuss Biblical matters. And I can assure you that the Muslims do in fact believe the Creation version of Adam, believe in Jesus as a Prophet, but gained their knowledge of God through Father Abraham."

I can see why you have a problem. Christianity isn't an equivalent truth. It is THE Truth.
You are commission to preach the gospel. Not to parlay with other religions to achieve some kind of ecumenical goal. This ecumenical business belongs with the fake Pope along with the other doomed religions of this present age.

Furthermore the apostle Paul makes a point of stating that we are never to engage in spiritual pursuits with unbelievers or their enterprises. I can't think of the peculiar passage right now but I will find it for you.
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No, I am not making them equal at all. I am only pointing out there has been a misconception towards them. But the Hebrew/Jew and Muslims are more alike than we ever thought before, is my point. It's interesting that both the Jew and Muslim see Jesus as a Prophet.
 
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No, I am not making them equal at all. I am only pointing out there has been a misconception towards them. But the Hebrew/Jew and Muslims are more alike than we ever thought before, is my point. It's interesting that both the Jew and Muslim see Jesus as a Prophet.
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Okay I'll buy that.
 
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Eshu is the ONLY WAY to God!

The Jew and Muslim clearly are stuck in the Old Testament.

I am just pointing out they claim, like the Jews, to have learned of God through Abraham.
 
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But what I do find most fascinating and interesting, is we know for a fact that Jesus and the Disciples spoke Aramaic Language naturally. It's shorthand Hebrew. But the word for GOD in Aramaic is Alaha. So Jesus, being God Himself, literally used the Word Alaha to describe God. The Word Allah just simply means GOD. Both the Ancient Jews of Jesus day and ancient Arabs spoke Aramaic. Allah is no doubt from the same word Jesus used, Alaha meaning GOD.


  • It is generally agreed by historians that Jesus and his disciples primarily spoke Aramaic, the common language of Judea in the first century AD, most likely a Galilean dialect distinguishable from that of Jerusalem.
Language of Jesus - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_of_Jesus
 
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One of my favorite verse in the Bible is John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

This is Jesus speaking:

So, let's use how He would have said it in His natural Aramaic Tongue:


ܪܘܚܐ ܗܘ ܓܝܪ ܐܠܗܐ ܘܐܝܠܝܢ ܕܣܓܕܝܢ ܠܗ ܒܪܘܚܐ ܘܒܫܪܪܐ ܘܠܐ ܕܢܣܓܕܘܢ
24 For, Alaha {God} is The Rukha {Spirit}: and those who bow down to Him, it is right that they should bow down in The Rukha {The Spirit} and in The Shrara {The Truth}.”
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Notice, in Jesus' natural Language He calls God ALAHA which has the same meaning as ALLAH!
 
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This will flip your lid:

ALLAH—Why do many Arab Christians refer to God as “Allah ...
christiananswers.net/q-eden/allah.html
Arabic: الله. “Allah” is the Arabic word for “God” and has been so long before the existence of Islam. The name Allah was used by both Jews and Arab Christians to refer to the one true God.
 
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biker said:
It even states it in the beginning of its definition:

Arabic: الله. “Allah” is the Arabic word for “God”
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Muslims follow a god not God.
 
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Arabic: الله

“Allah” is the Arabic word for “God”

The names “Allah” and “God” are generally interchangeable in Middle Eastern cultures and within the Muslim religion. Some English translations of the Qu’ran (Koran) use the name “God,” others use “Allah.” This sometimes comes as a surprise to Christians who were raised in Western cultures. Many ex-Muslim converts to Christianity commonly refer to God as “Allah.” These converts clearly recognize the major differences in the character and nature of God and His plan as described by the Old and New Testament, in contrast to that of Islamic writings.
 
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biker said:
Muslims follow the God of Abraham, that is not any god.
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No that’s not true.l, they don’t follow the God of Abraham. If they did follow the God of Abraham they would be Christians and not Muslims.
 
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No that’s not true.l, they don’t follow the God of Abraham. If they did follow the God of Abraham they would be Christians and not Muslims.
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Baloney!
The Jews follow the God of Abraham and are not Christian.
THINK before you post!
 
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