A golden key to understand the book of Revelations

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Evmur

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The book came without a title, the title was added to it. The opening line should read.

The revelation to John, the revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave him [John] to show unto His servants and He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John.

It is not revelations it is revelation, the revelation of Jesus Christ, that is to say His revelation from heaven or His coming again.

John says he was in the Spirit on the Lord's day. It is not Sunday [quaint] it is the day of the Lord. John was taken to witness what all would happen in that period of time known as the day of the Lord.

Look here the church will not be here, after chapter 4 John hears a voice saying come up here and he is taken into heaven, from there on he is watching from heaven which is where the church will be.

The rest of the book concerns the then converted Jews and God's dealings with the nations.
 
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The book came without a title, the title was added to it. The opening line should read.

The revelation to John, the revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave him [John] to show unto His servants and He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John.

It is not revelations it is revelation, the revelation of Jesus Christ, that is to say His revelation from heaven or His coming again.

John says he was in the Spirit on the Lord's day. It is not Sunday [quaint] it is the day of the Lord. John was taken to witness what all would happen in that period of time known as the day of the Lord.

Look here the church will not be here, after chapter 4 John hears a voice saying come up here and he is taken into heaven, from there on he is watching from heaven which is where the church will be.

The rest of the book concerns the then converted Jews and God's dealings with the nations.
The Book of Revelation is written like a prophecy of the OT but instead of a chapter it is a book.
a) the author is identified Jesus through John
b) the sin and the one who sinned - the 7 churches
c) the punishment - day of the Lord.

The 7 churches no longer exist. There is no independent bishopric - all are metroplitans of Constantinople and one other. But they are before God. They must be spiritual representations of the Body of Christ - temples within ourselves.

Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
What is the wisdom that this verse is saying? That of man? No - God does not think highly of doctrines of men. It is the wisdom of God that can answer the mystery of the book - the Scriptures. Only through the Scriptures can one understand the Book of Revelation - not the books of man.
 

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John says he was in the Spirit on the Lord's day. It is not Sunday [quaint] it is the day of the Lord. John was taken to witness what all would happen in that period of time known as the day of the Lord.
Rev 1v10: "On the Lords day,” “Lord's,” “kuriakos,” means “pertaining to the Lord,” (only here and in 1Cor 11v20, “the Lord's Supper, “kuriakon deipnon”), which IS indeed a reference to "Sunday." See Acts 20v7, 1Cor 16v1,2, John 20v19,26, Rom 14v5. It certainly does not refer as you have suggested, to the day of judgement on the day of the Lord, “hemera kuriou.” 2Pet 3v10.
 

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When we read the book of Revelation, it's important to remember that our Lord took John spiritually into the future (this is prophecy), and many of the events he describes have yet to happen in real time, despite the fact that he witnessed them.
 

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The 7 churches no longer exist.
Rev. 4:1
After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
It's vital to emphasize that John was the one who was commanded to "come up hither," not the church!
 

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The Book of Revelation is written like a prophecy of the OT but instead of a chapter it is a book.
a) the author is identified Jesus through John
b) the sin and the one who sinned - the 7 churches
c) the punishment - day of the Lord.

The 7 churches no longer exist. There is no independent bishopric - all are metroplitans of Constantinople and one other. But they are before God. They must be spiritual representations of the Body of Christ - temples within ourselves.

Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
What is the wisdom that this verse is saying? That of man? No - God does not think highly of doctrines of men. It is the wisdom of God that can answer the mystery of the book - the Scriptures. Only through the Scriptures can one understand the Book of Revelation - not the books of man.
What is the mark of the beast?
 

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Rev. 4:1
After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
It's vital to emphasize that John was the one who was commanded to "come up hither," not the church!
What is also important is how he was called up.....voice like a trumpet, immediately in the spirit, the voice of Christ. It can not be ruled out that john was the representative of the church. In prison for preaching the gospel, exiled. Could this be the churches condition in its last days?
Johns condition throughout his ministry was from a (son of thunder) to (the apostle of love), showing the transformation of his heart by the power of the Holy Spirit.
The expressed word of God needs to be examined, why so much emphasis and description?
John the last living apostle. All these things need to be examined.
There is no such verse or chapter that tells us that john returned to his natural state after his vision.
John giving us a heavenly perspective of what is happening in the earth. As God sees it.
 
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I do think there is a possibility it does refer to the Hebrew "Day of the Lord", but I sense something greater here as a special first day of the week.
  • Why would John introduce new terminology, completely out of context, to indicate the day of the week?

This usage of Lord's Day who many refer to first day of the week was not used anywhere else to refer to first day of the week. There are eight scriptures which refer to Sunday and written "first day of the week".

I believe it may refer to Pentecost which is always first day of the week, the spirit which was given on Pentecost, and then the trumpet which is also tied to Pentecost in which the tablets were given.
 

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The opening line should read.

The revelation to John, the revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave him [John] to show unto His servants and He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John.
Sorry if it seems nitpicky, but can you please tell us where you got the idea that the opening should really say "The revelation of John?"

Thank you.
 

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What is the mark of the beast?
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

chi xi stigma
khee xee stig'-ma
The 22nd, 14th and an obsolete letter (G4742 as a cross) of the Greek alphabet (intermediate between the 5th and 6th), used as numbers; denoting respectively 600, 60 and 6; 666 as a numeral: - six hundred threescore and six.

stigma
stig'-mah
From a primary word στίζω stizō (to “stick”, that is, prick); a mark incised or punched (for recognition of ownership), that is, (figuratively) scar of service: - mark.

The mark will be a device that is put under the skin for the definition is to stick, prick, which can be a hypodermic needle that puts the mark in the person, and a mark incised or punched which is referring it to be put in something which is under the skin for the mark is given to people.

The mark of the beast has to do with technology for the beast's agenda is there is no personal God to help mankind, and benefit them, but mankind's technology and devices can help to achieve peace on earth.

Which will be a microchip just under the skin linked to satellite with all information about the person on the chip including finances for no person can buy or sell without the mark, and to cut down on crime for if a crime happens they will know who was in the location and how close they were to the crime scene, and can locate lost people or whoever they want to locate.

Going along with the beast's agenda and worshipping the beast precedes taking the mark of the beast, and when they take the mark then repentance and salvation are no longer available to the world, and God can end sin on earth.

The New Age Christ, beast, will be of the occult, and the occult believes in the power of numbers for they are about the power of nature, and the adding, timing, and grouping of numbers which they believe will give them more power through nature.

The number 6 is the number of a man, or the soul of a man, so the New Age Christ assigned himself the number 666, a triple 6, for he believes it will give him more power through nature to evolve to be greater and spiritual, and to establish his kingdom.

The New Age Christ will work in the world for three and one half years and push the agenda of the new age movement to condition the world to accept him when he claims to be God.

What will probably happen is that they will eventually not allow people to enter store, businesses, work, and other places people go without a vaccination card to prove they were vaccinated.

But a vaccination card can be lost and then the vaccinated cannot provide for their needs, and the card can be falsified which then then the unvaccinated can be among the vaccinated.

So they will probably go to a microchip under the skin that can be scanned to identify all people who have been vaccinated and want it to be a motivating factor for the unvaccinated to get vaccinated and the chip so they can supply their needs.
 

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What is also important is how he was called up.....voice like a trumpet, immediately in the spirit, the voice of Christ. It can not be ruled out that john was the representative of the church. In prison for preaching the gospel, exiled. Could this be the churches condition in its last days?
Johns condition throughout his ministry was from a (son of thunder) to (the apostle of love), showing the transformation of his heart by the power of the Holy Spirit.
The expressed word of God needs to be examined, why so much emphasis and description?
John the last living apostle. All these things need to be examined.
There is no such verse or chapter that tells us that john returned to his natural state after his vision.
John giving us a heavenly perspective of what is happening in the earth. As God sees it.
We also remember Jesu's words to Peter "if I will that [John] remain until I come what is that to thee?" this saying caused a great deal of speculation among the disciples that John would not die. which John himself seemed to refute. But what did it mean?
 

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Sorry if it seems nitpicky, but can you please tell us where you got the idea that the opening should really say "The revelation of John?"

Thank you.
The book of Revelation is the revelation of JESUS CHRIST given to John to write down for us.

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John, who bore witness to the word of God, and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, to all things that he saw. Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near.

- Revelation 1:1-3 (NKJV)
 

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Sorry if it seems nitpicky, but can you please tell us where you got the idea that the opening should really say "The revelation of John?"

Thank you.
Taking the title as part of the opening statement
in the KJV
The revelation of John the divine, the revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave unto him ... This is generally understood to mean that the revelation was given to Jesus Christ

The RSV
The revelation to John, the revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave to him

I take it that the revelation was given John. the revelation being the revelation of Jesus Christ, that is His coming again.

ch.1. vs.7
Behold He is coming with the clouds and every eye shall see Him ...
 

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This thread having dropped off the first page after only a few hours and soon sunk to the 3rd page, I was a little surprised to see it resurrected.
 

Evmur

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Rev 1v10: "On the Lords day,” “Lord's,” “kuriakos,” means “pertaining to the Lord,” (only here and in 1Cor 11v20, “the Lord's Supper, “kuriakon deipnon”), which IS indeed a reference to "Sunday." See Acts 20v7, 1Cor 16v1,2, John 20v19,26, Rom 14v5. It certainly does not refer as you have suggested, to the day of judgement on the day of the Lord, “hemera kuriou.” 2Pet 3v10.
It never is Sunday in 1. Corinth. 11. I would remind you that the apostolic tradition was to break bread daily.
 

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Taking the title as part of the opening statement
in the KJV
The revelation of John the divine, the revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave unto him ... This is generally understood to mean that the revelation was given to Jesus Christ

The RSV
The revelation to John, the revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave to him

I take it that the revelation was given John. the revelation being the revelation of Jesus Christ, that is His coming again.

ch.1. vs.7
Behold He is coming with the clouds and every eye shall see Him ...
Fair enough, thanks for clarifying. It's you opinion it should start this way based on the RSV title of the book. It's not in the Greek. Not being critical, just like to be precise.


I agree it's to John; I just don't agree it should read this way.
 

iTheophilus

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@Isaskar

If you don't have the Seal of God in your forehead, you'll have the Seal of Satan, the mark of the beast, in your forehead. It's actually quite simple. Either you belong to Christ, the Son of God, and have His Word, His seal in your mind, or you belong to Satan, the Son of Perdition, and have his seal (mark) in your mind.

So what is the Seal of God? It is knowing what the Word of God (the Bible) says.

In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

- Ephesians 1:13-14 (NKJV)
 

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Rev. 4:1
After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
It's vital to emphasize that John was the one who was commanded to "come up hither," not the church!
Only to those who do not understand the Rapture. John is told to come up here means he's being shown what will happen after the Rapture. This is why Rev. 4:4 we see the Seven Churches (7 = Completion) of all the Church Age in Heaven and they are described as OVERCOMERS and those who loved not their lives unto death. As they were "Promised" in Revelation 2:10 (a CROWN), and in Rev. 3:5 (a White Raiment) and in Rev. 3:21 (to sit at God's THRONE) they thus are described in Rev. 4:4 with Crowns and White Raiment, sitting at God's throne (I wonder why). Then in Rev. 5:9-10, we see that this multitude, from "EVERY NATION" are redeemed by the blood of Jesus, and Angels do not need redemption, so I wonder who that could be, Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, it's the Church !! Who you try to imply that this doesn't represent !!

John is the only one being shown the vision, so Jesus is of course going to speak unto John and not others who are there in that future time, God lives in ALL TIME at once. WE don't.
 
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Did you notice even John himself changed his writing style. He changed the context.

John 20:19 On the evening of that day, the first day of the week, the doors being shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said to them, “Peace be with you.”

John 20:1 Now on the first day of the week Mary Mag′dalene came to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb.

He meant a very special first day of the week
 

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We also remember Jesu's words to Peter "if I will that [John] remain until I come what is that to thee?" this saying caused a great deal of speculation among the disciples that John would not die. which John himself seemed to refute. But what did it mean?
Another great observation that I will investigate...thank you saint.
Many pass by the detailed description of many verses that I believe is the expression of the Holy Spirit concerning Gods detailed work.
God does not randomly put forth his word but precisely dictates his word so there is no error to what's being said.
His word is not to be confused with reader friendly but precise transformation of the intent.
In other words not to be interpreted to our understanding but to Gods foundation on the matter.
The book of revelation is the revealing of the Christ that God has sent to mankind.
The King of Kings.....the Lord of Lords is the most powerful title one could have.
It entails the physical and the spiritual.
Israel being the physical, the church being the spiritual. Coming together as one.
John gives us the spiritual observation of a physical manifestation that has brought about the "Day of the Lord.
Jesus points us to the days of noah "the first global judgement" where men were continuously wicked.
But were content in there sin as they were drinking and giving in marriage going on as this is normal.
Rejecting God's word and giving it no matter.
The preaching of noah having no effect. The story of the nephilim is equivalent to men being overwhelmed by seducing spirits as paul wrote.