Amillennialists...Here's a chance to state your case.

[iamsoandso]

Did that first son of David and Bathsheba die on the cross for David’s sin of adultery?

No he died just like it says seven days later because the enemy's would have occasion to https://biblehub.com/interlinear/2_samuel/12-14.htm

 

[iamsoandso]

Did that first son of David and Bathsheba die on the cross for David’s sin of adultery?

Nope,,,

 

[Guojing]

Nope,,,

So what works did that son do for David?

 

[iamsoandso]

So what works did that son do for David?

None what so ever,,,Read 2 Samuel 12:14 he(their son) died because it gave occasion to Gods enemy's to blasphemy him(thats why according to the Scriptures).

 

[Guojing]

None what so ever,,,Read 2 Samuel 12:14 he(their son) died because it gave occasion to Gods enemy's to blasphemy him(thats why according to the Scriptures).

So your point about David being saved by that son’s work is referring to….

 

[crossnote]

If God were to punish me for my sins, he is punishing the same sin twice, once in Jesus, another in me.

King David did not get the benefit of that, that was why his son had to die.

I think you need to go back and show where I said God punishes the believer for their sin instead of putting words in my mouth.
What I said is that sin carries consequences and specifically in this life. If you steal from a bank, get caught, do you think you will be free to walk away because Jesus paid for your sins. Or do you think if you continually live in sexual promiscuity and whoredom that God will protect you from STDs?

 

[iamsoandso]

So your point about David being saved by that son’s work is referring to….

lol,,,back up to the post several pages back where I ask you when, where and how Saul/Paul was saved and you'll see Ive been saying at the Cross and you have been saying that him and David were saved by everything and at different times other than the Cross.

 

[iamsoandso]

How many times and in how many different ways will you deny that your salvation is any place and time other than the Cross?

 

[Guojing]

How many times and in how many different ways will you deny that your salvation is any place and time other than the Cross?

Are we still on Nathan and David?

 

[iamsoandso]

Are we still on Nathan and David?

If that's where your stuck I suppose so,lol

 

[Guojing]

If that's where your stuck I suppose so,lol

As I have already stated, If you are willing to allegorize anyone of his many sons as Jesus, as and when it suits your purpose, then you can of course make any point you want.

 

[iamsoandso]

As I have already stated, If you are willing to allegorize anyone of his many sons as Jesus, as and when it suits your purpose, then you can of course make any point you want.

lol,,, Hey take the floor and explain to us how David was saved by the works of the Law and not the Cross...

 

[Guojing]

I think you need to go back and show where I said God punishes the believer for their sin instead of putting words in my mouth.
What I said is that sin carries consequences and specifically in this life. If you steal from a bank, get caught, do you think you will be free to walk away because Jesus paid for your sins. Or do you think if you continually live in sexual promiscuity and whoredom that God will protect you from STDs?

I realized you don't even read the post you are replying to. I have already stated that I agree with you in #1,356

Yes, if you murder someone, you may get the death penalty in some countries, and life imprisonment in others. If you commit adultery, your marriage is likely to end with a divorce.

But the key feature about this grace dispensation we are living in now, is that there will be no consequences from God, because you are forever imputed with Jesus's righteousness. This is what King David envied about us now.

If your point is that there are horizontal consequences of sins, I agree with you.

But my point to you is that David's son was taken away by the Lord himself. There is obviously no natural link between committing adultery and having that child born of that adultery having to die.

Scripture made it clear that God was the one that took away the Son's life

14 Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.

15 And Nathan departed unto his house. And the Lord struck the child that Uriah's wife bare unto David, and it was very sick.

That was a vertical consequence between God and man. God punished David for his sin of adultery. I am saying that God will never ever do that with us now under the grace dispensation. I am NOT saying that there are no horizontal consequences for sins.

If you agree with this point, we are done here.

 

[iamsoandso]

I realized you don't even read the post you are replying to. I have already stated that I agree with you in #1,356



If your point is that there are horizontal consequences of sins, I agree with you.

But my point to you is that David's son was taken away by the Lord himself. There is obviously no natural link between committing adultery and having that child born of that adultery having to die.

Scripture made it clear that God was the one that took away the Son's life

14 Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.

15 And Nathan departed unto his house. And the Lord struck the child that Uriah's wife bare unto David, and it was very sick.

That was a vertical consequence between God and man. God punished David for his sin of adultery. I am saying that God will never ever do that with us now under the grace dispensation. I am NOT saying that there are no horizontal consequences for sins.

If you agree with this point, we are done here.

A few post back you were talking about a word that meant that it(sin) was made as if it were not committed, what was that word again?

 

[crossnote]

That was a vertical consequence between God and man. God punished David for his sin of adultery. I am saying that God will never ever do that with us now under the grace dispensation. I am NOT saying that there are no horizontal consequences for sins.

It is on this point we disagree. God has always dealt with sin. In this Dispensation His wrath is being withheld and people are mistaking it for a God that 'tolerates sin'. No, my God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow, even when He delays Judgment.

 

[Guojing]

A few post back you were talking about a word that meant that it(sin) was made as if it were not committed, what was that word again?

shall not impute sin

 

[Guojing]

It is on this point we disagree. God has always dealt with sin. In this Dispensation His wrath is being withheld and people are mistaking it for a God that 'tolerates sin'. No, my God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow, even when He delays Judgment.

So the point is you still believe that God will punish people for their sins, over and above the natural consequences?

Okay, we can agree to disagree on this point. You interpret scripture thru the lens of Covenant Theology even though you keep saying you are not.

 

[iamsoandso]

shall not impute sin

On who in 2 Samuel?

 

[tanakh]

Actually,

Amiilenials are downplaying what the bible says.

The bible says how things will be, And if the historical record shows otherwise, We must take the bib le first.

1. AD70 was a walk in the park compaired to many of the wars of the last century
2. Jesus did not return at the end of that war to put and end to it so all life would not die
3. Nothing that was said to happen AFTER these events have occured.

I suggest we look to scripture and stop interpreting it to fit our belief system. But take it at its word.

An estimated one million Jews died in the war. Taking into consideration the relative population at the time I wouldn't
consider that a walk in the park.

You seem to confuse Amillennialism with Preterism when talking about the return of Jesus. What the war did was put an end to the
Old Covenant Temple System and everything that went with it. In the Gospels Jesus predicts this both in plain speech and in Parables
against the Jewish leadership. They ignored his warnings and paid the price. I suggest we read and understand what he said instead of ignoring him and historic facts because they don't fit our interpretations

 

[Guojing]

On who in 2 Samuel?

on none, David's sin was imputed to him.

David was talking about us in the grace dispensation, and not himself.