Angels can procreate

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What exactly do you mean by "purity movement"... that was an idea from the late 1800's. I understand that it lingered well into the 1900's and probably still today... but what do you mean by it?

Ohhhhhhhh please dont ask.
 
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Maybe they were giant more in reputation,
Considering the Nephilim DNA survived the Flood of Noah, and Moses and Crew spent their time battling the generations and offspring of these Nephilim and we read like as grasshoppers to them:

All the people we saw there are men of great size!
33 We also saw there the Nephilim. (The sons of Anak are from the Nephilim.) We seemed like grasshoppers in our eyes as well as theirs!”
 
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There already were giants (big men) on the earth beforehand so the copulation didn't create the giants anyway.

Gen 6:4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterwards, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them.
Actually the Giants are direct relation to the Sons of God. So NO, the real Hebrew is more Correct than your corrupted Greek Septuagint [a hellenized Greek Translation B.C.]

הַנְּפִלִ֞ים הָי֣וּ בָאָ֘רֶץ֮ בַּיָּמִ֣ים הָהֵם֒ וְגַ֣ם אַֽחֲרֵי־כֵ֗ן אֲשֶׁ֨ר יָבֹ֜אוּ בְּנֵ֤י הָֽאֱלֹהִים֙ אֶל־בְּנ֣וֹת הָֽאָדָ֔ם וְיָלְד֖וּ לָהֶ֑ם הֵ֧מָּה הַגִּבֹּרִ֛ים אֲשֶׁ֥ר מֵעוֹלָ֖ם אַנְשֵׁ֥י הַשֵּֽׁם׃ {פ}
It was then, and later too, that the Nephilim appeared on earth—when divine beings cohabited with the human women, who bore them offspring. Such were the heroes of old, the men of renown.


When did Giants appear on Earth?
that the Nephilim appeared on earth—when divine beings cohabited with the human women
 

iamsoandso

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I see the explanation as more spiritual than physical, of course they are both intertwined but its the believer marrying an unbeliever that causes the problem.

The same reason as given later to Israel, of course if any from the nations left and joined Israel then later on they could marry so its not really the physical.

Duet 7:3 Do not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons, 4. for they will turn your children away from following me to serve other gods.

Its a motif of scripture And it still stands true even today, We should remain separate from unbelievers and what happens when we do remain separate, same thing God refers to us as Sons and Daughters.

2Cor 6:14 Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? 15 What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? 16 What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said:

“I will live with them
and walk among them,
and I will be their God,
and they will be my people.” Therefore,

“Come out from them
and be separate,
says the Lord.
Touch no unclean thing,
and I will receive you.” And,

“I will be a Father to you,
and you will be my sons and daughters,
says the Lord Almighty.”

What your saying about unbelievers and the Scriptures would make sense but in the case of Cain it would not be reasonable to think that a man who had conversations with God face to face did not believe he was real in considering the subject of Genesis 6. https://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/4.htm
 

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Maybe they were giant more in reputation, because they used demonic familiar sprits to increase their influence spiritually. For example, Nimrod, who founded the city of Ur, was a mighty hunter before the Lord, possibly more because of his building a large city and thereby influencing Chaldees of all families, (Ur of the Chaldees as a location of origin superseding the clan patriarchs in the Chaldean group).

Esau is another one, he and Jacob seem to have been the same size (are twins the same size), but he had a lot of "hard drive" and wasn't he also a "mighty hunter before the Lord"?

Could just be in their attitudes. Goliath had a lot of attitudes, as I recall, he gave the people of Israel a lot of lip.

That would mean we are being warned to avoid the giants of the earths or intermarry with the likes of Biden,Abbott,the movie stars, Trump,, JFK ect. as if the giants are the rich and elite.
 

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Considering the Nephilim DNA survived the Flood of Noah, and Moses and Crew spent their time battling the generations and offspring of these Nephilim and we read like as grasshoppers to them:

All the people we saw there are men of great size!
33 We also saw there the Nephilim. (The sons of Anak are from the Nephilim.) We seemed like grasshoppers in our eyes as well as theirs!”
His point seems to be that it's spiritual instead of biological as in DNA. The first sorceress may have been all wiped out in the flood, but the spirit of it survived in Ham and two of the girls.
 

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Angels can take human form. They eat and drink, so why not sex?
Logically, if God can become a man (the Messiah), why can't angels? Angels are created, but we don't know tons about their abilities, just that they are spirit beings God made. Do you think their fallen or not fallen status effects what they are directly able to do, otherwise to the moral choices they will or will not make?
 

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Actually the Giants are direct relation to the Sons of God. So NO, the real Hebrew is more Correct than your corrupted Greek Septuagint [a hellenized Greek Translation B.C.]

הַנְּפִלִ֞ים הָי֣וּ בָאָ֘רֶץ֮ בַּיָּמִ֣ים הָהֵם֒ וְגַ֣ם אַֽחֲרֵי־כֵ֗ן אֲשֶׁ֨ר יָבֹ֜אוּ בְּנֵ֤י הָֽאֱלֹהִים֙ אֶל־בְּנ֣וֹת הָֽאָדָ֔ם וְיָלְד֖וּ לָהֶ֑ם הֵ֧מָּה הַגִּבֹּרִ֛ים אֲשֶׁ֥ר מֵעוֹלָ֖ם אַנְשֵׁ֥י הַשֵּֽׁם׃ {פ}
It was then, and later too, that the Nephilim appeared on earth—when divine beings cohabited with the human women, who bore them offspring. Such were the heroes of old, the men of renown.


When did Giants appear on Earth?
that the Nephilim appeared on earth—when divine beings cohabited with the human women
You have criticised the Greek Septuagint as being corrupt and inaccurate, then preceded to supply a totally farcical translation of the Hebrew as being more correct, For example: I bolded the Hebrew for you.

בְּנֵ֤י
bə-nê the sons

הָֽאֱלֹהִים֙
hā-’ĕ-lō-hîm of God

To divine beings cohabitating with human woman. Who translated this to English for you? I mean if one believes sons of God are divine beings they cant take license to change Gods Word to what they think it means, they should stick to the original which is what God intended even if its ambiguous.

Anyway in Hebrew or Greek or English it still says the same thing, Giants or Nephilim if you prefer were on the earth in those days and also afterwards.
 

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What your saying about unbelievers and the Scriptures would make sense but in the case of Cain it would not be reasonable to think that a man who had conversations with God face to face did not believe he was real in considering the subject of Genesis 6. https://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/4.htm
Fair point, Even demons believed in God but didnt believe in God, if you know what im saying. By believer I was meaning one who was faithful or a follower of God and His Word.
 

iamsoandso

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Fair point, Even demons believed in God but didnt believe in God, if you know what im saying. By believer I was meaning one who was faithful or a follower of God and His Word.

Considering Genesis 6 though everything we are thinking is a moot point though because now it doesn't matter at all if the daughters of men are descendants of the blood line of Cain or of Seth's. Adam is the son of God,,Adam is also both the daddy of Seth and Cain therefore both Seth and Cain are sons of God in as much Cains sons could have seen the daughters of Seth and took them to wife and bore the Giants.
 

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Considering Genesis 6 though everything we are thinking is a moot point though because now it doesn't matter at all if the daughters of men are descendants of the blood line of Cain or of Seth's. Adam is the son of God,,Adam is also both the daddy of Seth and Cain therefore both Seth and Cain are sons of God in as much Cains sons could have seen the daughters of Seth and took them to wife and bore the Giants.
Except theres a spiritual application, that the sons of God are those who have an inheritance from God, and Cain to me rejected God and killed Abel, and rejected his inheritance. Noah was a preacher of righteousness and the world rejected him which means they rejected God. So only Noah was left as a faithful Son of God by the time of the flood, all the other descendants of Seth had intermingled and died and the descendants it seems have taken on the Canaanite Idolatry. Same thing happening today.

Romans 8:14 For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.


I have a different way of looking at things than most, for example pre-flood I think people see giants as an oddity, yet I see the world as populated by giants and Noah being the odd one out, what I mean is for example say the average height of men was 7 foot, and then Noah was only 5 foot freak of nature.

Just speculation but I also think most men had six fingers including Adam to me it makes sense for the number of man is six, yet Seth was born with five so im guessing at least Noah and his wife were born with only five fingers on each hand which Im guessing was a rarity, yet because he and his descendants were the only survivors its now the Norm. (Ild also guess Hams wife had six fingers)

Where Im going is that there are a lot of people who are still born with six fingers so, how ever it happened the Nephilim DNA or Cain's genetics appear to be still quite strong in the people dwelling in Canaan after the exodus and even in the entire world today, as people are once again getting bigger.

So I can accept the possibility that I could be a direct decendant of both Noah and Cain, which I see as the Nephilim lineage yet it makes no difference to me as its belief in the Lord is all that matters.

Im just saying this so you can see where im coming from, theres no way I expect any one to agree with such a weird outlook, but hey everyones idea of what life was like pre flood is a weird guess in my humble opinion.
 

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Except theres a spiritual application, that the sons of God are those who have an inheritance from God, and Cain to me rejected God and killed Abel, and rejected his inheritance. Noah was a preacher of righteousness and the world rejected him which means they rejected God. So only Noah was left as a faithful Son of God by the time of the flood, all the other descendants of Seth had intermingled and died and the descendants it seems have taken on the Canaanite Idolatry. Same thing happening today.

Romans 8:14 For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.


I have a different way of looking at things than most, for example pre-flood I think people see giants as an oddity, yet I see the world as populated by giants and Noah being the odd one out, what I mean is for example say the average height of men was 7 foot, and then Noah was only 5 foot freak of nature.

Just speculation but I also think most men had six fingers including Adam to me it makes sense for the number of man is six, yet Seth was born with five so im guessing at least Noah and his wife were born with only five fingers on each hand which Im guessing was a rarity, yet because he and his descendants were the only survivors its now the Norm. (Ild also guess Hams wife had six fingers)

Where Im going is that there are a lot of people who are still born with six fingers so, how ever it happened the Nephilim DNA or Cain's genetics appear to be still quite strong in the people dwelling in Canaan after the exodus and even in the entire world today, as people are once again getting bigger.

So I can accept the possibility that I could be a direct decendant of both Noah and Cain, which I see as the Nephilim lineage yet it makes no difference to me as its belief in the Lord is all that matters.

Im just saying this so you can see where im coming from, theres no way I expect any one to agree with such a weird outlook, but hey everyones idea of what life was like pre flood is a weird guess in my humble opinion.

Seems to make sense why Paul became a tent maker I suppose, First we're created in the image of God then we mutate and none of the glove makers know how many finger to put in gloves anymore.
 

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There already were giants (big men) on the earth beforehand so the copulation didn't create the giants anyway.

Gen 6:4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterwards, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them.
Did you miss this part? "when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men "
 

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and they took wives for themselves all that they wanted.... Then the LORD said, "My spirit will not strive with man forever..." (the very next verse). God makes no mention of the sons of God yet refers to the subject of the previous statement as "man." Didn't having 1000 wives and concubines give Solomon grief?
And Sodom and Gomorrah going up in smoke as an example is likewise as angels are held in chains of darkness destined for hell. The former being an example of the latter's fate, not necessarily exact same transgression. While the angels' transgression is leaving their estate (abiding under God's authority) and the other's (Sodom and Gomorrah's) is lusting after strange flesh.
 

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Solomon likely thought something like, "mebbe the next 100 will fulfill my want..." and then.... When do you suppose he wrote lamentations, before or after the first woman? the 500th? the 1000th?
 

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Seems to make sense why Paul became a tent maker I suppose, First we're created in the image of God then we mutate and none of the glove makers know how many finger to put in gloves anymore.
lol ok, maybe theres not that many six fingered people, I watched a documentary on it a few years ago, theres a lot more with them than I thought there would be though, and they did have to make a couple of six fingered baseball gloves for in the American league what ever that is. But the thing that I found interesting was that its not a mutation, that its in our genetic code.
 

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Did you miss this part? "when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men "
Did you read all the words in what you posted? If you said it was raining when you wrote the post, my understanding would be it was already raining when you wrote it out not afterwards.

Same with the bible you have to let the simple meaning of scripture form your understanding, not take your understanding to form the meaning of scripture.

So when I read there were giants on the earth in those days WHEN the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, I dont take it to mean there were giants on the earth in those days after (nine months after?) the sons of God came in to the daughters of men.
 

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and they took wives for themselves all that they wanted.... Then the LORD said, "My spirit will not strive with man forever..." (the very next verse). God makes no mention of the sons of God yet refers to the subject of the previous statement as "man." Didn't having 1000 wives and concubines give Solomon grief?
And Sodom and Gomorrah going up in smoke as an example is likewise as angels are held in chains of darkness destined for hell. The former being an example of the latter's fate, not necessarily exact same transgression. While the angels' transgression is leaving their estate (abiding under God's authority) and the other's (Sodom and Gomorrah's) is lusting after strange flesh.
https://www.gotquestions.org/strange-flesh.html
 

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No physically touching, no holding hands, no hugs, no kissing, no one on one dating. Only group dating. That is part of the purity movement.
Sounds like a good idea. You probably should've listened and you wouldn't have the problems you do now.
 

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Another thing, MORE ERRORS IN YOUR THEOLOGY:

The Reason No Sex in Heaven is because everyone, Angels and Us will be A-Sexual. But A-Sexual + A-Sexual in Sex = still equal HOMOSEXUALITY.

But where did the SINS exist at when COMMITTED in Genesis 6?

on EARTH!

And on Earth, God has PERMITTED SEX to keep Populating the World. These Fallen Angels used the very Key Factor to God's Plan to Populate the Earth by doing it themselves. The human Woman's WOMB!
it's bunkum