Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

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throughfaith

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so the gentiles did not benefit from the Holy Spirit coming on them the way the Apostles received? Even though Peter said they received Just as we have. Why were they given the Holy Spirit for a show? Peter was already preaching to them in obedience to Jesus The Holy Spirit did not have to fall.

When Jesus said in ACTS 1:8 " You shall receive power after the Holy Ghost has come upon you and you shall be my witnesses"
The gentiles who received the same Power the Apostles did but did not get power to be a witness?

rediculous.
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Gentiles were SAVED when they recieved the Holy Spirit .
 
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You are not seeing that the Gifts are of the Holy Spirit all of them. all gifts are sign gifts

they are vocal three, power three, knowledge three. They are all given to the Church.
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No ,in the context of this op ,the' sign' Gifts are those mentioned in Mark 16.
17And THESE SIGNS shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.7
 
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Gentiles were SAVED when they recieved the Holy Spirit .
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in you and upon you, they did not have to speak in tongues to be saved unless you hold the UPC doctrine?
 
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in you and upon you, they did not have to speak in tongues to be saved unless you hold the UPC doctrine?
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Them speaking in tongues was ' evidence ' not to gentiles but to Jews . ' Jews require a SIGN .
 
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in you and upon you, they did not have to speak in tongues to be saved unless you hold the UPC doctrine?
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Today, no one is saved until they recieve the Holy Spirit. ' initial evidence as taught by some churches today is nonsense. Its a sign to Jews .
 
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No ,in the context of this op ,the' sign' Gifts are those mentioned in Mark 16.
17And THESE SIGNS shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.7
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FYI,

These signs shall follow them that Believe. is the context of preaching the Gospel and evangelism yes but in the new birth of the "Church" which had not happened yet Jesus said in Acts 1:8 His last words recorded as saying to the Apostles


" You shall receive power after the Holy Spirit has come upon you." They were already saved, and they had already had signs following them before Jesus' ven was Crucified when HE sent them out two by two. The gifts of the Holy Spirit in 1cor chapter s 12 to 14 are what I talking about and as far as those signs following them that believe they happen today also.
 
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Them speaking in tongues was ' evidence ' not to gentiles but to Jews . ' Jews require a SIGN .
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evident of what? they were saved? Are you saying tongues are proof of salvation? You can't have it both ways guy.
 
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Today, no one is saved until they recieve the Holy Spirit. ' initial evidence as taught by some churches today is nonsense. Its a sign to Jews .
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You saying it is nonsense pales to your tongues as proof of salvation to the gentiles.

You say the initial evidence is nonsense yet you say the gentiles were saved because they spoke in tongues which was a sign to Peter they were saved LOL.
 
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evident of what? they were saved? Are you saying tongues are proof of salvation? You can't have it both ways guy.
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Evident of this.
Acts 11
17Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

18¶When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
 
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You saying it is nonsense pales to your tongues as proof of salvation to the gentiles.

You say the initial evidence is nonsense yet you say the gentiles were saved because they spoke in tongues which was a sign to Peter they were saved LOL.
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The Gentiles were saved when they recieved the Holy spirit . Tongues was evidence to the apostles that the gentiles were now granted repentance.
 
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Evident of this.
Acts 11
17Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

18¶When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
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what did they hear?
 
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You saying it is nonsense pales to your tongues as proof of salvation to the gentiles.

You say the initial evidence is nonsense yet you say the gentiles were saved because they spoke in tongues which was a sign to Peter they were saved LOL.
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initial evidence as taught by some churches
 
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what did they hear?
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Read the verses prior . The whole point is God transitioning to the gentiles, and this is the pivotal point with Cornelius. The ' evidence 'is for Peter and the rest . Not Cornelius.( Sign = tongues .)
 
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The Gentiles were saved when they recieved the Holy spirit . Tongues was evidence to the apostles that the gentiles were now granted repentance.
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They were saved when they placed their faith in the Lord Jesus Christ Whom the Holy Spirit enables them to do. saved by grace through faith
 
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throughfaith said:
The Gentiles were saved when they recieved the Holy spirit . Tongues was evidence to the apostles that the gentiles were now granted repentance.
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Salvation comes through hearing the gospel, believing the gospel, and then being sealed by God the Holy Spirit, your claim above would be in error

Ephesians 1:13KJV
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
 
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They were saved when they placed their faith in the Lord Jesus Christ Whom the Holy Spirit enables them to do. saved by grace through faith
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So today were saved without having the Holy Spirit ?
 
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They were saved when they placed their faith in the Lord Jesus Christ Whom the Holy Spirit enables them to do. saved by grace through faith
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//Holy Spirit enables them to do// What do you mean ? Irresistible grace ? Do you mean they recieve the Holy Spirit prior to believing?
 
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