Could the tribulation start this year?

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AandW

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The so called new "leaders" of Israel is made up of a caldron of 5 parties ( a coaltion ) that are weakly united over one agenda, to outs Benjamin Netanyahu, the best pm Israel had in decades. This is truely a sad time for Israel.
Also , where does it say in scripture that the A/C will be a Jew ? Could it be that he will come from an Arab country ? An Anti- Jew ? He will make peace with israel and later break it .
I guess you're not familiar with Jews then because they want nothing to do with Gentiles like they didn't for their entire history. What makes you think a Jew would accept a Gentile as their Messiah? Daniel says the Antichrist will deny his parents God and offer strange sacrifice. A Jew fits that description 100%
 

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The funny thing is that they think that Hamas is setting fire on the border, so they bombed the Hamas arsenal.
I just want to know what Solomon thinks. There may be relatives of Solomon's wife among those people
I think this election has revealed a true sign of the times and we should pay close attention to Israel.
I believe Solomon is looking down and understands his many errors he made in life and accepts what is taking place.
 
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I still don't understand what is dream dreams
The difference between visions and dreams is you can have a vision when awake, but you can only given a dream when asleep.

I've seen a peculiar dream once. It was about coming asteroids..... Lots of them. I was on a street somewhere, walking alongside a tall white-looking man. People were shouting like a crowd watching a sport event. Then I saw in the sky behind me a falling rock, and it fell near me. I picked it up, and there was a Japanese flag... if my memory serves. (I'm not sure.) Then the next moment, I was in the outer space looking down at a MULTITUDE of falling rocks, each with a national flag of some country on it.

I don't know if this dream was true, and that's definitely one more thing about dreams. You never know if your dream is true, except it comes true.
 
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This simply is not true sister,
Just so you know, I'm a boy. (Young adult male.)

But uhm... I think you kind of contradicted yourself with this comment below. (It seems as if you were trying to suggest that God puts out whomever He wants for His prophecy, and yet you deemed me wrong to say God chose Biden for it.)
He got Persia to defeat Babylon and thus free the Jewish peoples to go back home and rebuild their city of Jerusalem. He allowed the U.S. Colonies to defeat England so there would be a power on earth to defeat Hitler when he came along.
God leaves our choices unto us.
Yes. And foolishly enough, Republicans DESIRED to keep Trump without seeking what God wanted them to do. Yet Biden won. Accept the truth if you see it: Joe is incapable of continuing the presidency for much longer. This was God's hand.
 
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Hi Blain.

I have to agree with you totally on this.

However, all I can say is, I'm not convinced the end is near; but, it's a lot nearer than it's ever been! Sorry ;).

People have been saying the end is near almost from day one. The list goes on and on.

I try to stay up on current events and match them to Bible prophecies. I used to be quick to think certain things pointed to the end, thanks to people like Hal Lindsey, Jack Van Impe and Tim Lahey. But after seeing so many things come and go and still no end in sight, I've concluded that if we're watching we won't be taken by surprise. We shouldn't get too caught up in worrying about the end.

But I do agree we need a lot more students and a lot fewer debaters.
Debates happen because of the lack of legitimate students. Truth just doesn't resonate with falsehood.
What basically happens, from my perspective, is, when one calls out a lie, people come against it.
 
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And Matt 24:29 isn't a description of Rev 6 anyway. I'd say you have failed to understand Scripture properly.
I suppose he/she is correct inasmuch as there is not guarantee that the "Sun darkening...etc" of John's writing is the same as the one Jesus mentioned and as the mentions by the prophets. (ex. Amos 8) @Nehemiah6

But I'd have to agree that I can't imagine Sun going dark deliberately more than once in the future, considering how much IMPACT that will have on Earth. @FreeGrace2 (also considering Jesus said it only once, likely indicating that He was referring to the Prophets, and thus it'll be a one-time event.)
 
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That's what's going on.
Fine. I won't argue.

That's coming, for sure. Maybe you aren't aware, but Biden has sent a document to the AG at the DOJ identifying who the "real enemy" of this country is. The claim is "white supremacy" is the big evil, and the document identifies those who "speak against the government" are enemies, etc, etc. This is exactly what Marxist takeovers have done throughout the history of Marxism.

Among the "enemies" are those who believe in the Bible, conservatives, etc.

So, brace yourself.
Yeah. so the "tribulation" or persecution isn't just about what's happened up until now. It's about the whole world rejecting Christ.

Just so you know, Japan, which is where I live, isn't any close to persecuting Christians. Most Japanese people don't care what you believe in unless it would disturb peace. (So in other words, they would do something like banning Christianity when/if the name of Christ offends / annoys a multitude of people globally.)

Nevertheless, my point there was Biden is not going to stay. China will apparently make America a marketplace.
Also it was about revival in America. If you don't believe that, it's fine. It's not a life-or-death decision. But I wish you were more open and didn't sound so harsh on people, and pushy.
 
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Strongly dis-agree, God did not put or choose to put Biden in office. Biden is a total fraud of which God may have allowed to happen because of the wickedness of the hearts of men.
Fine. Believe whatever you do.

It's fine as long as you don't believe God made a mistake in establishing His prophecy bcs He didn't foresee Biden happening from the foundation of the world. @FreeGrace2 also. His foreknowledge is what I meant.
 
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It looks like this thread is just another place where ppl take the pleasure of expressing their disapproval towards others.

Calm down dudes. Be at peace.
 

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soberxp said:
pretrib rapture
This is the result of people's forced interpretation of the Bible. If this never happens, it will only destroy the faith of believers.
It is appropriate to focus on spiritual life.
And what will happen to your faith if it DOES happen and you are left behind ? The rapture Will happen whether you like it or not.
Why do pretribbers assume that those who believe the rapture will be when Christ returns at the Second Advent will miss the rapture if it is pretrib?

What Scripture teaches that?
 

FreeGrace2

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Yeah. so the "tribulation" or persecution isn't just about what's happened up until now. It's about the whole world rejecting Christ.
That's pretty much where the world is at NOW.

Just so you know, Japan, which is where I live, isn't any close to persecuting Christians. Most Japanese people don't care what you believe in unless it would disturb peace. (So in other words, they would do something like banning Christianity when/if the name of Christ offends / annoys a multitude of people globally.)
Unless you haven't been observing current events in the USA, we went from a prospering freedom loving country into a totally Marxist one basically overnight, thanks to the latest election.

You're underestimating Satan. He deceives the people. Maybe he just hasn't spent much time in Japan, yet.
 

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What do these world events have to do with the gospel?
So, if you don't understand that we are in this world, and thus the Gospel is preached IN THIS WORLD, and thus t has everything to do with this world, and nothing to do with the rest of the Universe, then it's going to be a long process tbh.

God hears the cry of His peoples, but when Israel was sacked in 70 AD there were Messianic Jews there who no doubt loved God, so why did God allows Jerusalem to be sacked and the Temple destroyed? So the Gospel could go forth unhindered by the Jewish traditions via the Gentiles. If the base of Christianity had stayed in Jerusalem, Judaism would have eventually sucked Christianity into a different vein of Judaism, and it would have become just like Judaism, a dead religion because the Jews would have continued the sacrifioal traditions. So, this is why Jerusalem had to be sacked, if they couldn't lead, they couldn't be allowed to get in the way of the Gospel. God would deal with Israel after the Church Age.

The RCC and eventually the Church of England led the way in spreading the Gospel, but those churches became bogged down in politics, somewhat perverted, so God wanted a true church again and the USA was born, guided by God's hand, we brought true democracy to the world (which is why Satan via Socialism/Marxism is attacking the Untied States, its the pillar of Democracy). Before the United States, Europe only allowed Aristocrats to vote, not commoners. Thus the U.S. Constitution changed all that, WE THE PEOPLE, IN ORDER TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION was born, where the good of the common man was Put before he good of the aristocrats. And, since England was going to come over and defeat the Colonies, they had to agree to form a Union, but half the colonies wanted no Slavery, so they had to agree to states right in order to defeat England, then place in the Constitution words that would eventually guarantee that all men would be free men via these words "All men are created by God, with inalienable rights" thus the courts would have to eventually rule all men are free, in spite of the lack of a political consensus on the subject. So, these framers are responsible for Democracy via the Common man, and they were intelligent enough to know that a Constitution would eventually guarantee that all men became free men. Yet they are spoken of as if they are evil in our schools, these were some of the greatest, and most God-fearing men who ever lived. These modern-day WOKE LIBS preach how evil our forefathers were because Slaver existed, well it existed 5000 years before most of them were ever born. But what these WOKE LIBS can never answer is this, in 200 years (I play their game) if a more modern science tells us the baby inside a woman belly is a living human being (we know it is already, this is how I question them to show them how their actions to the Forefathers are ignorant) and they start saying all you people living now were Barbarians who killed innocent babies, and every liberal they erase from the history books, and topple your statues, and call you barbarians, will that be OK? And nary a one ever answers me, LOL.

So, the United States was placed here by God in order to spread the Gospel via a place where freedom,s are still cherished, Europe, and the Churches in Europe had become stale, the Europeans were going socialist a long time ago. The USA has spread the Gospel around the whole world. But, there comes a time when evil overtakes good because Satan devises plans and whittles away at our Constitution using the Courts, he places evil people in strategic places, then uses thee, Godless people, to subvert the culture. The NO-FAULT DIVORCE ruling basically destroyed the American family. The Abortion ruling, the Homosexual ruling, all of these came forth from a Satanic lie in each case. So, of course, Satan rules this evil world. This is why God told Israel to kill every man, woman, and child via the Canaanites, lest they brought forth their evil practices into the Israeli camps.

God via His own will appoints kings sometimes, but not always. THe reason we know He appointed Trump was it was Prophesied in 2011. And a Woman who was trying to help Trump in 2016, a Christian woman, asked God, am I doing the right thing Lord, and she said the Holy Spirit told her to watch the 2016 Belmont Stakes.

A Horse named Creator beat a horse named Destin by a nose after having not led for the entire race. You can google it and see one of the closest ever finishes. Destin means one chosen beforehand (Hillary was chosen by the libs, she didn;t beat Bernie the Socialist) and Creator means Creator. So, God placed him there, it doesn't matter what you think or don't think, that changes nothing.
 

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no,it didn't. cuz if don't fully understand gospel, whatever preach will fail.but a wolf in a sheep model.
 
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I guess you're not familiar with Jews then because they want nothing to do with Gentiles like they didn't for their entire history. What makes you think a Jew would accept a Gentile as their Messiah? Daniel says the Antichrist will deny his parents God and offer strange sacrifice. A Jew fits that description 100%
Please show us where in scripture its states that the jews will accept the A/C as their messiah? There's no such verse anywhere, it only exists in your own mind. The A/C is not a messiah your having a problem interpreting scripture he's an anti-messiah
 
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soberxp said:
pretrib rapture
This is the result of people's forced interpretation of the Bible. If this never happens, it will only destroy the faith of believers.
It is appropriate to focus on spiritual life.

Why do pretribbers assume that those who believe the rapture will be when Christ returns at the Second Advent will miss the rapture if it is pretrib?

What Scripture teaches that?
That's not what the op said , he said there will be no rapture, which is a false doctrine
 
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It looks like this thread is just another place where ppl take the pleasure of expressing their disapproval towards others.

Calm down dudes. Be at peace.
Yes because there are alot of false doctrines being pushed here, which should be rebuked, the Lord himself shall rebuke many ten thousands.
 
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The Tribulation cannot begin until the Antichrist is in full control. And the Antichrist cannot take full control until the Holy Spirit is taken out of the way. And when that happens the Church -- the Body of Christ -- is also taken out of the way.

But we are indeed very close the the revelation of the Antichrist. All government have become tyrannical and enemies of the citizens of their countries. They have robbed free people of all their freedoms through the COVID Scamdemic.
There must be famines, wars and all governments destroyed.

Revelation 13:14-17

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14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound (Satan got wounded when cross died and rose on the 3rd day) by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed (God's elects get killed or jailed).
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark (Only nonelects can get mark of the beast), or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

God's elects get a different mark which is the Holy Spirit.

Am not afraid of anything because God will provide food for God's elects.

Job 1:9-12

King James Version (KJV)

9 Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?

10 Hast not thou made an hedge (spiritual barrier) about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.

Since God has given Job a spiritual barrier around him and everything he owns, Satan and his demons can’t do nothing to him at all. This spiritual barrier is passed down to all of God’s elects when they are living righteous before God.

11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.

12 And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the Lord.


Job 12:10-15
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10 In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind.
11 Doth not the ear try words? and the mouth taste his meat?
12 With the ancient is wisdom; and in length of days understanding.
13 With him is wisdom and strength, he hath counsel and understanding.
14 Behold, he (God) breaketh down, and it cannot be built again: he (God) shutteth up a man, and there can be no opening.
15 Behold, he (God) withholdeth the waters, and they dry up: also he (God) sendeth them out, and they overturn the earth.

Psalm 33:6-9
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6 By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
7 He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses.
8 Let all the earth fear the Lord: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him.
9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

Acts 5:39
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39 But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.

Mark 5:11-13
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11 Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding.
12 And all the devils besought (begged) him (Jesus), saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them.
13 And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand;) and were choked in the sea.
Luke 10:17
King James Version (KJV)
17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
 
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That's not what the op said , he said there will be no rapture, which is a false doctrine
The rapture is the 2nd Coming of Jesus Christ=that is when he takes all of God's elects to the sky and nonelects tried to hide because it's great white throne judgement day. Harvest session=separate wheat and tares. 1st Coming is when Jesus died on the cross and rose again on the 3rd day=Jesus rose to heaven at the right hand of God=started 1000 spiritual kingdom. God's elects get transferred from Satan's kingdom to Christ's kingdom when they receive the Holy Spirit.

Great earthquake that shakes Earth and Heaven, sun shall be turned into darkness, moon into blood, stars shall withdraw their shining, heaven rolled like a scroll, every mountain and island moved out of their places,

Isaiah 13:9-13, Ezekiel 38:19-23, Joel 2:10-11, Joel 2:30-32, Haggai 2:6, 21, Matthew 24:29-34, Matthew 24:35, Mark 13:24-29, Mark 13:31, Acts 2:19-20, Luke 21:25-33 and Hebrews 12:26-28, Revelation 6:12-17, Compare Daniel 7:13-14, 27, Ezekiel 13:13, Revelation 11:15-19, Revelation 16:17-21

Mark 13:26-27
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26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

Revelation 20:11-15
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11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Well nonelects won't accept the truth, so God will send strong delusion on them.
 

AandW

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Please show us where in scripture its states that the jews will accept the A/C as their messiah? There's no such verse anywhere, it only exists in your own mind. The A/C is not a messiah your having a problem interpreting scripture he's an anti-messiah
As a person whose one side of the family is Sephardim Jew, I can tell you since they do not believe Yeshua was their Messiah, they are still looking for their Coming Messiah. But who they are looking for and will accept will be none other than the Antichrist. But as I've already explained, they won't be accepting their Messiah as a Gentile, only Jewish heritage.
 

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As a person whose one side of the family is Sephardim Jew, I can tell you since they do not believe Yeshua was their Messiah, they are still looking for their Coming Messiah. But who they are looking for and will accept will be none other than the Antichrist. But as I've already explained, they won't be accepting their Messiah as a Gentile, only Jewish heritage.
It's like being brainwashed by a theory, it's hard to accept the opposite direction. is it ?