Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

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ThereRoseaLamb

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Do you believe Jesus Christ died for unrepentant unelects
I believe what the Word says and proved it with Scripture. Take a look back at my answers.



which incorrect doctrine of Christ do you believe an unelect can believe and still get to heaven?
Well, you show me the word unelects, chapter and verse in the Word and I will answer that question.
 

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God divorced the nation of Israel. therefore, it will/can no longer play any part in in His salvation except as a portrayal
the unsaved. Some will be saved out of Israel, but it is only because they are of the elect.

[Jer 3:8 KJV] 8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
Read Romans 11:25-26, "I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, and in this way all Israel will be saved.
 

jamessb

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Romans 11, is only talking about Jews that are of the elect - those whom God foreknew - as in elected.
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[Rom 11:5 KJV] 5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Wrong! Is there something about this that you don't understand? "So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace"

Earlier, Paul wrote this (Romans 11:11-12), "Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!"

Full inclusion! Get it?
 

rogerg

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Please show me in this post where I said unbelief is not a sin.

Dude you are tiresome..
Dude, you can't recall what you've said . What did you mean by
"they are condemned because they have not believed. bnot because they have sinned "
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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No, you believe what you consider to be "all correct doctrine from Jesus". Do you consider yourself to be infallible?

I have no doubt they do. It's called an unteachable spirit. It's an attitude, not using that as a biblical word, just a know it all attitude usually based on 3 or 4 Scriptures twisted beyond believe to make their human doctrine sound right. And you know them because they are suck on repeat and keep using the same 3 verses continually.
 

rogerg

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Read Romans 11:25-26, "I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, and in this way all Israel will be saved.
All Israel is spiritual Israel - the Israel of God, not the nation of Israel. This is exactly why understanding the allegory is so important.
Those saved in total are the Israel of God.

[Gal 6:15-16 KJV]
15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace [be] on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
 

rogerg

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Wrong! Is there something about this that you don't understand? "So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace"

Earlier, Paul wrote this (Romans 11:11-12), "Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!"

Full inclusion! Get it?
It doesn't say that. Are you really suggesting that all Jews from OT Israel to the end of time are to become saved because that would have to be the case if what you're saying is correct. If it is all Israel that shall be saved, and that is the nation of Israel, then every
Jew who ever lived has to be saved - there can't be any exceptions to it.
 

Everlasting-Grace

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Romans 11, is only talking about Jews that are of the elect - those whom God foreknew - as in elected.
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[Rom 11:5 KJV] 5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Wrong

In rom 11 are the jews who are blinded in part. and those who are lost

Then there are gentiles.. all of them are saved..
 

Everlasting-Grace

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Dude, you can't recall what you've said . What did you mean by
"they are condemned because they have not believed. bnot because they have sinned "
I know exactly what I said

they are not condemned because they commited personal sins

they are condemned because they did not believe

I never said believe was not a sin, thats what your attributing to me, Because your blame shifting. You do not want to look at what Jesus said
 

Everlasting-Grace

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It doesn't say that. Are you really suggesting that all Jews from OT Israel to the end of time are to become saved because that would have to be the case if what you're saying is correct. If it is all Israel that shall be saved, and that is the nation of Israel, then every
Jew who ever lived has to be saved - there can't be any exceptions to it.
Its not talking about the past

it is talking about a time in the future. when the time of the gentile is complete. and god removes the blindness from israel, and they all repent and come to Christ.
 

rogerg

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All we have to do is believe what he said and reject what the enemy tries to say like Adam and Eve didn’t but like Jesus did
It is not possible to truly believe until one becomes saved. The unsaved are the "natural man".

[1Co 2:14 KJV] 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
 

rogerg

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I know exactly what I said

they are not condemned because they commited personal sins

they are condemned because they did not believe

I never said believe was not a sin, thats what your attributing to me, Because your blame shifting. You do not want to look at what Jesus said
What does "bnot because they have sinned " mean?
 

rogerg

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Its not talking about the past

it is talking about a time in the future. when the time of the gentile is complete. and god removes the blindness from israel, and they all repent and come to Christ.
It's talking about Jews. There is no distinction made between which Jews are which just Jews. You are making your own distinction but
it isn't biblical. If one is saved simply because he is a Jew, then all must be saved on the same basis. No exceptions can be made.
 

Everlasting-Grace

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What does "bnot because they have sinned " mean?
I just told you

No because they commites sin, Like adultry or murder.

Why can you not seperate personal sins, for the sin of unbelief?

And you wonder why people ignore. you
 

Everlasting-Grace

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It's talking about Jews. There is no distinction made between which Jews are which just Jews. You are making your own distinction but
it isn't biblical. If one is saved simply because he is a Jew, then all must be saved on the same basis. No exceptions can be made.
Its talking about a time in the future.

it talks about the present first. Israel is blinded in part. (Meaning there are some saved and some who are not saved.

But there will be a time that comes when the redeemer will come and All israel will be saved.

God keeps his promises. He does nto hate people like you fatalists want to think..
 

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well you are not infallible. because you are in error. and you Make out Jesus to be a liar, and one who hates, and demands we do what he himself refused to do.
I am not infallible, which is why I believe all correct doctrine of Jesus Christ.
 

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Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

I believe Jesus Christ died for all the “whosoevers” that will believe in Him.

For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through Him might be saved.

- John 3:16-17 (KJV)
 

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Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

I believe Jesus Christ died for all the “whosoevers” that will believe in Him.

For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through Him might be saved.

- John 3:16-17 (KJV)
For God so loved the world, Who is the world

that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him - Did he not die for everyone so that whoever believes?
 

rogerg

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Its talking about a time in the future.

it talks about the present first. Israel is blinded in part. (Meaning there are some saved and some who are not saved.

But there will be a time that comes when the redeemer will come and All israel will be saved.

God keeps his promises. He does nto hate people like you fatalists want to think..
I answered this in post 273. Look there. No, all Israel, as in the nation of Israel, will never be saved.
God divorced the nation of Israel for spiritual fornication. Any Jews who become saved, become so,
only because they are of the elect. The Israel that will be saved is spiritual Israel not the nation of Israel.