Did you know the early church never gathered on Sunday?
- Thread starter Scuba
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Really? Did you look for it?
Acts 20:7 (NASB) [SUP]7 [/SUP]On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight.
1 Corinthians 16:1-2 (NASB) [SUP]1 [/SUP]Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I directed the churches of Galatia, so do you also. [SUP]2 [/SUP]On the first day of every week each one of you is to put aside and save, as he may prosper, so that no collections be made when I come.
Revelation 1:9-11 (NASB) [SUP]9 [/SUP]I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus. [SUP]10 [/SUP]I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like the sound of a trumpet, [SUP]11 [/SUP]saying, "Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea."
Jesus Himself met John on the Lord's day, Sunday.
Acts 20:7 (NASB) [SUP]7 [/SUP]On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight.
1 Corinthians 16:1-2 (NASB) [SUP]1 [/SUP]Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I directed the churches of Galatia, so do you also. [SUP]2 [/SUP]On the first day of every week each one of you is to put aside and save, as he may prosper, so that no collections be made when I come.
Revelation 1:9-11 (NASB) [SUP]9 [/SUP]I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus. [SUP]10 [/SUP]I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like the sound of a trumpet, [SUP]11 [/SUP]saying, "Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea."
Jesus Himself met John on the Lord's day, Sunday.
C
Really? Did you look for it?
Acts 20:7 (NASB) [SUP]7 [/SUP]On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight.
1 Corinthians 16:1-2 (NASB) [SUP]1 [/SUP]Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I directed the churches of Galatia, so do you also. [SUP]2 [/SUP]On the first day of every week each one of you is to put aside and save, as he may prosper, so that no collections be made when I come.
Revelation 1:9-11 (NASB) [SUP]9 [/SUP]I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus. [SUP]10 [/SUP]I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like the sound of a trumpet, [SUP]11 [/SUP]saying, "Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea."
Jesus Himself met John on the Lord's day, Sunday.
Acts 20:7 (NASB) [SUP]7 [/SUP]On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight.
1 Corinthians 16:1-2 (NASB) [SUP]1 [/SUP]Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I directed the churches of Galatia, so do you also. [SUP]2 [/SUP]On the first day of every week each one of you is to put aside and save, as he may prosper, so that no collections be made when I come.
Revelation 1:9-11 (NASB) [SUP]9 [/SUP]I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus. [SUP]10 [/SUP]I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like the sound of a trumpet, [SUP]11 [/SUP]saying, "Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea."
Jesus Himself met John on the Lord's day, Sunday.
Thank you for sharing, much appreciated to me, I can't speak for anyone else. yet no matter Christ is risen and alive in the order of Melchisadek our high priest forever is Yeshua, our way, truth and new life unto Father, where we are made alive in Spirit and truth by this resurrected Christ.
So whether he died on this day and or that day, matters not to me, He is risen, he is alive, and without this I would have to be pitied of all people, for I would still be in my sins, unforgiven , 1 Cor 15, explains this well
So I have a ? for you, are we forgiven 100% from Father by Son? Whether one sins or not, are we still forgiven is it done? for us to get new life in Father in Spirit and truth?
So whether he died on this day and or that day, matters not to me, He is risen, he is alive, and without this I would have to be pitied of all people, for I would still be in my sins, unforgiven , 1 Cor 15, explains this well
So I have a ? for you, are we forgiven 100% from Father by Son? Whether one sins or not, are we still forgiven is it done? for us to get new life in Father in Spirit and truth?
I do not care to fight with you, God is God, known as Yeweh, Son Jesus known as Yeshua. I am not the instructor, I am one of God's children that believes God, have been wrong and straightened out by God, am still learning all in all trusting God all te way through
Romans 14:4
Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Romans 14:5
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
So are you going to allow me to be fully persuaded as to see every day as Holy, giving thanks to Father?
I am doing this for you as you are seeing one day above the other and giving God thanks right?
Romans 14:4
Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Romans 14:5
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
So are you going to allow me to be fully persuaded as to see every day as Holy, giving thanks to Father?
I am doing this for you as you are seeing one day above the other and giving God thanks right?
Maybe go here?
Hebrews 8:1-2Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)8 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; [SUP]2 [/SUP]a minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
Hebrews 8:1-2Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)8 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; [SUP]2 [/SUP]a minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
A our Lord is from the tribe of Judah, not levites, there is a change
Hebrews 7:11-12Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)[SUP]11 [/SUP]If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? [SUP]12 [/SUP]For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Hebrews 7:11-12Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)[SUP]11 [/SUP]If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? [SUP]12 [/SUP]For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Really? Did you look for it?
Acts 20:7 (NASB) [SUP]7 [/SUP]On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight.
1 Corinthians 16:1-2 (NASB) [SUP]1 [/SUP]Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I directed the churches of Galatia, so do you also. [SUP]2 [/SUP]On the first day of every week each one of you is to put aside and save, as he may prosper, so that no collections be made when I come.
Revelation 1:9-11 (NASB) [SUP]9 [/SUP]I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus. [SUP]10 [/SUP]I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like the sound of a trumpet, [SUP]11 [/SUP]saying, "Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea."
Jesus Himself met John on the Lord's day, Sunday.
Acts 20:7 (NASB) [SUP]7 [/SUP]On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight.
1 Corinthians 16:1-2 (NASB) [SUP]1 [/SUP]Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I directed the churches of Galatia, so do you also. [SUP]2 [/SUP]On the first day of every week each one of you is to put aside and save, as he may prosper, so that no collections be made when I come.
Revelation 1:9-11 (NASB) [SUP]9 [/SUP]I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus. [SUP]10 [/SUP]I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like the sound of a trumpet, [SUP]11 [/SUP]saying, "Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea."
Jesus Himself met John on the Lord's day, Sunday.
I do not know of a Christian that is against Sabbath keepers or anyone, could you let the readers know who you are talking about and maybe explain how a person can not be wrong. Saying Jesus cannot be wrong is fine but a person no way so you have my interest because this is a Christian chat and Christians do their best to not lie.
Mac.
Mac.
Of course an interesting point that we all seem to forget is that when God gave the commandments we don't actually know what day the Sabbath day was... or we could go back further..when God rested on the 7th day..what day was that..Tuesday.. Thursday? We don't know.
One thing we do know is that when the Sabbath became enshrined in the Mount Sinai covenant for the Hebrews it somewhere along the line became from evening on a Friday till the same on Saturday. So do all those who say we need to worship on the 'proper' Sabbath do as the Hebrews did... no you don't, so you are just piling more weight on the yoke that does not need to be there.
What is actually relevant to Christians today is that we regularly meet together..we usually do this on a Sunday. A couple of things to ask ourselves.. Did Jesus fulfil all the cultic practices of the Israelites. All the temples practices etc of the Israelites' pointed to Christ, and find their fulfilment in Him. and now we in Christ can have peace in that Sabbath rest as Christ is Lord over it.
One thing we do know is that when the Sabbath became enshrined in the Mount Sinai covenant for the Hebrews it somewhere along the line became from evening on a Friday till the same on Saturday. So do all those who say we need to worship on the 'proper' Sabbath do as the Hebrews did... no you don't, so you are just piling more weight on the yoke that does not need to be there.
What is actually relevant to Christians today is that we regularly meet together..we usually do this on a Sunday. A couple of things to ask ourselves.. Did Jesus fulfil all the cultic practices of the Israelites. All the temples practices etc of the Israelites' pointed to Christ, and find their fulfilment in Him. and now we in Christ can have peace in that Sabbath rest as Christ is Lord over it.
Matthew 28:1 (KJV)
In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
It is established from scripture what was a day, they didnt have names for them just knew them as first day, second day, ..... then the last day God sanctified it and later declared it Sabbath. So in retrospect we do know when is the Sabbath.
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Genesis 2 (KJV)
2 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
God could have stop at six days because heavens and earth were completed but he created a seventh day and sanctified it.
I believe The Sabbath is Holy but that doesn't mean I cant congregate any other day just as the apostles congregated on the first day now known as Sunday. The difference I think is that Sunday in no way whatsoever is holy. And A lot of people say oh well He rised on Sunday, so what. Please don't twist my words and say that His resurrection is of no value by that statement. The point I'm making is that The Sabbath is Holy because he rested after his creation.
In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
It is established from scripture what was a day, they didnt have names for them just knew them as first day, second day, ..... then the last day God sanctified it and later declared it Sabbath. So in retrospect we do know when is the Sabbath.
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Genesis 2 (KJV)
2 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
God could have stop at six days because heavens and earth were completed but he created a seventh day and sanctified it.
I believe The Sabbath is Holy but that doesn't mean I cant congregate any other day just as the apostles congregated on the first day now known as Sunday. The difference I think is that Sunday in no way whatsoever is holy. And A lot of people say oh well He rised on Sunday, so what. Please don't twist my words and say that His resurrection is of no value by that statement. The point I'm making is that The Sabbath is Holy because he rested after his creation.
Last edited:
I believe God rested on the 7th day also.. My real point is that those who believe that Saturday is the Sabbath are not correct.. it started on the Friday evening and finished on the sat evening.. one group of 24 hrs..yet as we count it in our time it is spread over 2 days.. The Israelites did not think of the day like we do..it was sun down to sun down.
We haven't a clue what day was classed as the first or last day of the week the further we go back - did they count time like us ooooHrs to 2359 hrs as a twenty four hr day or sunset to sunset as in Second temple period.
I'm not saying that we should not keep a day for rest etc.. but we should not pile on weight to the yoke as did the Pharisees.
For the Christian and because Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath 'everyday' should be a holy day' after all we rest in His Sabbath rest and will do for all eternity.
We haven't a clue what day was classed as the first or last day of the week the further we go back - did they count time like us ooooHrs to 2359 hrs as a twenty four hr day or sunset to sunset as in Second temple period.
I'm not saying that we should not keep a day for rest etc.. but we should not pile on weight to the yoke as did the Pharisees.
For the Christian and because Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath 'everyday' should be a holy day' after all we rest in His Sabbath rest and will do for all eternity.
The Sabbath keepers don't start keeping The Sabbath from Saturday morning, till evening. It is established that it starts Friday evening to Saturday evening, so that is when they keep it. That is a misunderstanding for anyone to think that The Sabbath keepers of today only keep it on Saturday, they know it starts on Friday Evening. They just refer to that whole time period Sabbath including Saturday.
I don't know if you have seen other threads titled Happy Sabbath, and what not. If you pay attention the authors of those thread post on Friday just about evening time, because they are aware that The Sabbath starts Friday evening.
and well the Jews of today of course also know its Friday evening to Saturday evening.
If we did as God commanded this right now would not be a yoke, just by the mere fact of trying to change it makes it a yoke. Its human nature to try and dictate and make our own rules, and have different interpretation of The Bible. God clearly established it is Holy. That's it, nothing else to it.
I don't know if you have seen other threads titled Happy Sabbath, and what not. If you pay attention the authors of those thread post on Friday just about evening time, because they are aware that The Sabbath starts Friday evening.
and well the Jews of today of course also know its Friday evening to Saturday evening.
If we did as God commanded this right now would not be a yoke, just by the mere fact of trying to change it makes it a yoke. Its human nature to try and dictate and make our own rules, and have different interpretation of The Bible. God clearly established it is Holy. That's it, nothing else to it.