Discernment in visions and dreams

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danja

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The enemy brings unclean and horrific dreams.

All this paranoia on this site is stramnge to me.

You mentioned " peace"
Peace is your "umpire"
The bible is explicit. "My sheep hear my voice"
Believe it. Believe you are his,and he will lead you.
If you see visions and dreams you are prophetic.
I have seen many,many visions and dreams.
I would not put them out on this meat grinder for trampling.
Write down your dreams and visions. Submit them to others moving in that same anointing. The point of elders is guidance ,and steadying.
The paranoia here is overkill.

Alway remember k i s s. (Keep it simple)
If i get some satanic dream it is EXTREMELY obvious.
You will know when it aint God. And if something comes without understanding find a anointed interpreter.
I have plenty of visions seeing certain people suffering with diseases ,I believe God wants me to pray for these people.I have visions of doors opening,pregnant women and plenty of other stuff and those are not in the Bible .
I agree with you .
We can't put God in a box .He speaks however he wants and gives visions and dreams .He can use whoever and whatever he wants to say something to you ,you only need open ears and open eyes .
Thanks brother for your wisdom
 

Mii

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I'll echo what @Lafftur said in lining up with The Word in that, if you feel like something is of God. ANY revelation that you believe to be "of him" it MUST line up with the word. So if you feel like you are in God's presence in a dream or that an angel is speaking to you or you have a new revelation of scripture don't be hesitant to bring it up with another Christian. He isn't going to do ANYTHING that will contradict his word.

Where it gets dicey is in instances like Peter and the sheet...This is something people were confused about and God lifted the confusion by being clear, we can see that the gentiles also receive the holy spirit so that is not in question at this time.

Is it possible that there are things that need to be further clarified for the church as a whole? Yes of course, the mystery is not yet finished. Every revelation be it dream, vision, or thought should be met with scrutiny. Not "necessarily" suspicion unless you are clearly under attack or it's something you've not ever encountered before.


@Lafftur Idk which bible you read but it clearly says Peter to me :p
I reread it just now because I didn't remember it being paul but it's been a while ha.

I'm not ready to get into a dream discussion online yet but I do think there are categories of dreams and I've been almost PULLED out of bed to write some down. Dreams are the most unique part of being human to me. It's a way for the Lord to speak and even if our subconscious is providing us feedback, we can get his insight into that. There are times where we are under attack...these times are pretty clear. Bathe yourself in prayer and "get help" from the body (not being specific is okay if you don't feel comfortable) just let them KNOW. You have allies. Use them. Anyway...there's a lot to say and I just got out of a 4 hour conversation about dreams with someone that is questioning their faith and it really opened my eyes into how other people can view dreams and not recognize the Lord in them or that we have no choice and that things are inevitable in dream sources. Not so. Steep yourself in the word and you WILL see fruit.

Saying that something isn't in the bible is pretty vague so it would be helpful to say what you mean. If you had a dream about taking care of widows and you say that is not in the bible I would tell you to read it again ;)

If you had a dream about that the takeaway was to treat all human life as sacred and come away with that as "not being in the bible"...again. I would tell you to read it again. Read the word and anything that really doesn't jive with your spirit that you are hearing. Speak out about it and bring it up. Peace.
I dont know that ANY of pauls visions were "scriptural or mirrored in the bible"

In case you dont know,the book of acts never ended.
Care to clarify? I have no idea what visions you are referring to that weren't scriptural or mirrored in scripture.
 
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Hello everyone.

I have a question concerning dreams and visions. Very often i have visions and dreams but I am new when it comes to discerning where they come from , God, evil or myself.
My question is , does anyone of you know how to discern dreams and visions .
For example today i had a vision of a shadow flying and then for many minutes when i was lying in my bed i felt a cooling air around my body . It was very weird but i had peace .
I want to hear from God but I don’t want to be deceived as i know evil can come as an angel of light.
I would appreciate your wisdom .
God bless you
This is an educated guess on dreams:
When we sleep, our brain is hard at work. Cellular waste is gathered and expelled while glial cells create and “prune” synapses. The information of the day is filed in the memory banks and data processor. All of the information is connected by synapses. So when you taste strawberry jam, it triggers many thoughts and memories. Some are related, like maybe making jam with grandma. Others cause a thought train far from jam, but still maybe related to grandma. My guess is that as the glial cells file the days events it triggers multiple synapse involvement. This is why an accounting problem in the morning might have caused you to dream about a math teacher that evening in an illogical thought collage of a dream. Also the cold breeze you felt might have triggered a shadowy figure, and not the other way. I think our dreams expose more of what our brain is processing subconsciously. Humans enjoy lying to themselves, so consciously we might not understand why we do what we do. Perhaps dreams tell us what we don’t want to hear about ourselves.

I believe those who are in Christ, are connected continually, even in sleep. So, it is possible to receive information from on high. Like a hand is connected to the brain, so too are we to God. When discerning this I think it will be followed with events in life. He will prepare you ahead. So if you have a dream about starting a new job, then in the next few days you get a job offer then it’s confirmed. In the Bible prophetic dreams were always accompanied with events.
 

Lafftur

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Hello everyone.

I have a question concerning dreams and visions. Very often i have visions and dreams but I am new when it comes to discerning where they come from , God, evil or myself.
My question is , does anyone of you know how to discern dreams and visions .
For example today i had a vision of a shadow flying and then for many minutes when i was lying in my bed i felt a cooling air around my body . It was very weird but i had peace .
I want to hear from God but I don’t want to be deceived as i know evil can come as an angel of light.
I would appreciate your wisdom .
God bless you
Not sure what is the difference between dreams and visions for you since it seems to be dreams in both cases in your post.
In any case, a premonitory dream will cause deep emotions and leave a lasting impression. You would never forget it, never...
 
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The meaning and message of the dream or vision will NEVER contradict God's Word.
Well sorta.
A man has a dream n korea opens to the gospel
He is told to go to the knights inn on oolong ave and meet mr wong.

None of it in the bible
 
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Found your post! It's beautiful! It completely lines up with scripture. :love:(y)

I read about John with his head on Jesus breast. So i asked Jesus ,can i do that?
He said "come up here son"
I was like a little doll in his lap.
I put my ear to his breast and could hear his heart beat.
It beat 7 times and stopped. There was a rhythm.
Over and over seven times,then stopped. Then restart.
I asked him "why is there that pause over and over"?

He said "anticipation"

I asked "for what"

He said "not what,WHOM"..."I am waiting for my bride. That's why my word ends in calling my bride"

What you posted lines up with scripture. The seven letters to the seven churches are to His Bride. As each generation cycles through the 7 letters, it's His heart that feels us and knows us and is with us going through the 7 letters. Once all the generations are done, the Bride is ready.

The 7 beats are the 7 letters that the Bride cycles through.

Song of Solomon 4:9 King James Version (KJV)
9 Thou hast ravished my heart, my sister, my spouse; thou hast ravished my heart with one of thine eyes, with one chain of thy neck.


Revelation 22:17 King James Version (KJV)
17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
You're so nice and kind i have to agree with you.
Lol
 
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I'll echo what @Lafftur said in lining up with The Word in that, if you feel like something is of God. ANY revelation that you believe to be "of him" it MUST line up with the word. So if you feel like you are in God's presence in a dream or that an angel is speaking to you or you have a new revelation of scripture don't be hesitant to bring it up with another Christian. He isn't going to do ANYTHING that will contradict his word.

Where it gets dicey is in instances like Peter and the sheet...This is something people were confused about and God lifted the confusion by being clear, we can see that the gentiles also receive the holy spirit so that is not in question at this time.

Is it possible that there are things that need to be further clarified for the church as a whole? Yes of course, the mystery is not yet finished. Every revelation be it dream, vision, or thought should be met with scrutiny. Not "necessarily" suspicion unless you are clearly under attack or it's something you've not ever encountered before.


@Lafftur Idk which bible you read but it clearly says Peter to me :p
I reread it just now because I didn't remember it being paul but it's been a while ha.

I'm not ready to get into a dream discussion online yet but I do think there are categories of dreams and I've been almost PULLED out of bed to write some down. Dreams are the most unique part of being human to me. It's a way for the Lord to speak and even if our subconscious is providing us feedback, we can get his insight into that. There are times where we are under attack...these times are pretty clear. Bathe yourself in prayer and "get help" from the body (not being specific is okay if you don't feel comfortable) just let them KNOW. You have allies. Use them. Anyway...there's a lot to say and I just got out of a 4 hour conversation about dreams with someone that is questioning their faith and it really opened my eyes into how other people can view dreams and not recognize the Lord in them or that we have no choice and that things are inevitable in dream sources. Not so. Steep yourself in the word and you WILL see fruit.

Saying that something isn't in the bible is pretty vague so it would be helpful to say what you mean. If you had a dream about taking care of widows and you say that is not in the bible I would tell you to read it again ;)

If you had a dream about that the takeaway was to treat all human life as sacred and come away with that as "not being in the bible"...again. I would tell you to read it again. Read the word and anything that really doesn't jive with your spirit that you are hearing. Speak out about it and bring it up. Peace.


Care to clarify? I have no idea what visions you are referring to that weren't scriptural or mirrored in scripture.
He was caught up to heaven.
2 cor 12
He saw unspeakable things.

Beyond that in 1 or 2 peter,peter says of paul " ....whose writings are difficult to understand..."
Meaning his revelation was shown to him as new info not in the bible.

God is still doing those things.
 

Lafftur

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Well sorta.
A man has a dream n korea opens to the gospel
He is told to go to the knights inn on oolong ave and meet mr wong.

None of it in the bible
No, that is in the Bible - it would be a Word of Knowledge given by the Holy Spirit.
 

Mii

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He was caught up to heaven.
2 cor 12
He saw unspeakable things.

Beyond that in 1 or 2 peter,peter says of paul " ....whose writings are difficult to understand..."
Meaning his revelation was shown to him as new info not in the bible.

God is still doing those things.
I think he was talking about John the way I read that portion. Possibly not as Idk if the timeline matches...

I also think when he was saying his writings were hard to understand he was referring to how Paul being an educated man had a hard time speaking to the layman as it were. Again, possibly.

I find the way Paul speaks appeals to me in a way that others do not...a bit verbose but almost as if the Lord is saying, you can complicate this all you want or you can simplify it, however the essence is still the same. Some people focus on the complexities/profundity of our walk in a different way than some who are simplistic about it. Of course, agreement is important.
 

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I have plenty of visions seeing certain people suffering with diseases ,I believe God wants me to pray for these people.I have visions of doors opening,pregnant women and plenty of other stuff and those are not in the Bible .
I agree with you .
We can't put God in a box .He speaks however he wants and gives visions and dreams .He can use whoever and whatever he wants to say something to you ,you only need open ears and open eyes .
Thanks brother for your wisdom

With the world we in today, there definitely is alot of people suffering with diseases, and the sad thing is, I think many of the diseases we see today are man-made in origin.

What type of other dreams do you get? Anything in specific detail

I myself have had some dreams concerning end times, particular in reference to the mark of the beast. The dreams did not last long, but on more than one occasion there was a reference to nanotech. One thing I do know with the technologies we are seeing today is that we can become slaves to technology.
 
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No, that is in the Bible - it would be a Word of Knowledge given by the Holy Spirit.
Of course it is. It is in the spirit of the WORD.

None of it is in the letter.
So when you say "it has to be in the bible",not only will he bring current wording,but things not found in the word.
He is not bound to that wording when He is revealing events/warning/encouragement or impending doom in our lives

He can bring something TOTALLY NEW.
Now doctrine is different.

When i got saved i had a question nobody could answer.
It concerned doctrine.
"Why did it HAVE TO BE Jesus on the cross. Daniel was a man without fault. And others were upright. Besides,God is sovereign,he could count a man dying as payment. So why did it have to be Jesus.
God took me to galations.
See that? A doctrine issue. Not a life/walk/personal guidance issue.

In pharoahs dream,none of it was a bible mirror. And maybe never will be again.
In fact,fat and skinny cows do not have to represent famine/plenty at all.
So interpreting it as a mirror biblically could be detrimental.
 
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I think he was talking about John the way I read that portion. Possibly not as Idk if the timeline matches...

I also think when he was saying his writings were hard to understand he was referring to how Paul being an educated man had a hard time speaking to the layman as it were. Again, possibly.

I find the way Paul speaks appeals to me in a way that others do not...a bit verbose but almost as if the Lord is saying, you can complicate this all you want or you can simplify it, however the essence is still the same. Some people focus on the complexities/profundity of our walk in a different way than some who are simplistic about it. Of course, agreement is important.
To diminish pauls revelation is shaky ground.
He specifically said " what i recieved i did not get from man..."

The point is,it was revelation from heaven and even contradicted hundreds of years of biblical understanding.

To think the bible, as my mind unpacks it, is total safety,is a sand castle in reality.
I have changed doctrine many times,and anahilated other mens interpretations.
So we can not rely on our perception.
The Holy Spirit is the teacher.
He is the revealer of truth.

See,God is bigger than His book.

Beyond that,Jesus is the word of God.
You guys actually telling me He has nothing new to say?????
 
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"I think he was talking about John the way I read that portion. Possibly not as Idk if the timeline matches... "

No,the time line is not the only preventer of that notion.
Jn was over 90 when he came back from patmos
 
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Here is something you guys may want to consider;

Can satan quote the word?
Can satan speak that to you?

There is only one safe place.
That is with Jesus.

Define deception. What it is.
Then look at all the deception men are in that read the bible.
 

danja

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With the world we in today, there definitely is alot of people suffering with diseases, and the sad thing is, I think many of the diseases we see today are man-made in origin.

What type of other dreams do you get? Anything in specific detail

I myself have had some dreams concerning end times, particular in reference to the mark of the beast. The dreams did not last long, but on more than one occasion there was a reference to nanotech. One thing I do know with the technologies we are seeing today is that we can become slaves to technology.
Hello :)
I see images or sequence of someone or something but this sequences last only two or three seconds .I have seen an all seeing eye in the forehead of someone .I have plenty of what i call visions since i am not sleeping i am only with eyes closed laying down.One day i saw a beautiful black dress you wear for special occasion and few days after i went in a wedding and the dress was black.So i was thinking i saw what was coming in near future .Or i have seen one day a long list of books of the bible and all started with letter "J" and on top of the list was jeremiah.That day i watched a sermon and the preacher was referring to jeremiah a couple of times.But on the other hand i see demons but not often .I have these visions or dreams (not sure how to refer )everyday and many many of them and they are different each time
 
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Hello :)
I see images or sequence of someone or something but this sequences last only two or three seconds .I have seen an all seeing eye in the forehead of someone .I have plenty of what i call visions since i am not sleeping i am only with eyes closed laying down.One day i saw a beautiful black dress you wear for special occasion and few days after i went in a wedding and the dress was black.So i was thinking i saw what was coming in near future .Or i have seen one day a long list of books of the bible and all started with letter "J" and on top of the list was jeremiah.That day i watched a sermon and the preacher was referring to jeremiah a couple of times.But on the other hand i see demons but not often .I have these visions or dreams (not sure how to refer )everyday and many many of them and they are different each time
Are you born again?
Do you know Jesus?
 
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the word 'vision' is far too loosely used to mean any number of things that are not visions. since no one in the Bible EVER had a vision 2000 times a week with no reason, it is safe to assume neither do we

whatever is going on here is not visions from God...not to say God does not grant visions, but visions with purpose and meaning

an all seeing eye? occult. seeing a black dress and then seeing a black dress at a wedding so that was from God? uh...just no

I actually do not like responding in these kinds of threads because most people who interpret everything they see as from God DO NOT WANT to hear otherwise

the moment a person accepts whatever they see, without prayer or at least a solid background in discernment and understanding how
the spiritual realm works, they have opened a door they may have a hard time closing

let me insert an actual 'vision'with purpose and results...not from the Bible, but it was of God and produced godly results

this person was praying and saw in their mind's eye a young man who was talking to them and saying they had been praying for someone to speak for them

well that person was at a youth camp (they were quite young themself) and there was a man who was violently anti spiritual gifts and was railing against tongues...he did not know many in the camp were spirit filled...the person who had the 'vision' finally stood up and rebuked this man...politely but firmly...they were shaking...but knew they had to speak up...when they sat down, most people started clapping and saying amen! amen! and thank you! and praise Jesus!...the so called speaker...whom God had obviously NEVER called to preach to anyone...was visibly shaken, muttered to himself and didn't bring up the subject again

after the meeting, the exact same young man the person had seen in their 'vision' came up to the person who spoke up and said 'we have been praying someone would speak up and we are so thankful that you did.' there was more said but that is the gist of it

I know about it because I was there so I do not have this second hand

that was from God. I am not saying everyone will see things that clearly, because we are individuals, but that is what something from God looks like
 

danja

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the word 'vision' is far too loosely used to mean any number of things that are not visions. since no one in the Bible EVER had a vision 2000 times a week with no reason, it is safe to assume neither do we

whatever is going on here is not visions from God...not to say God does not grant visions, but visions with purpose and meaning

an all seeing eye? occult. seeing a black dress and then seeing a black dress at a wedding so that was from God? uh...just no

I actually do not like responding in these kinds of threads because most people who interpret everything they see as from God DO NOT WANT to hear otherwise

the moment a person accepts whatever they see, without prayer or at least a solid background in discernment and understanding how
the spiritual realm works, they have opened a door they may have a hard time closing

let me insert an actual 'vision'with purpose and results...not from the Bible, but it was of God and produced godly results

this person was praying and saw in their mind's eye a young man who was talking to them and saying they had been praying for someone to speak for them

well that person was at a youth camp (they were quite young themself) and there was a man who was violently anti spiritual gifts and was railing against tongues...he did not know many in the camp were spirit filled...the person who had the 'vision' finally stood up and rebuked this man...politely but firmly...they were shaking...but knew they had to speak up...when they sat down, most people started clapping and saying amen! amen! and thank you! and praise Jesus!...the so called speaker...whom God had obviously NEVER called to preach to anyone...was visibly shaken, muttered to himself and didn't bring up the subject again

after the meeting, the exact same young man the person had seen in their 'vision' came up to the person who spoke up and said 'we have been praying someone would speak up and we are so thankful that you did.' there was more said but that is the gist of it

I know about it because I was there so I do not have this second hand

that was from God. I am not saying everyone will see things that clearly, because we are individuals, but that is what something from God looks like
my issue is that i don't want to be deceived and have these visions or dreams by the enemy.I have this kind of belief inside of me that i am being some kind of fortune teller or witchcraft thing and that makes me sad .If i see in the spiritual realm i want to see things of God .
So yesterday i also saw Jesus holding up someone ,meaning that he helps us through troubles and all.I don't believe that was coming from some evil force though.
I don't know what to do with this anymore .I try to ignore them most the time because i know i may be mislead so i don't do anything besides reading the bible,praying and worshiping .But am i sinning ?I want this door closed if it is not God