Eastern Orthodoxy is not Talmud Pharisaism (Mishnaism).

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What do you think of Benny Hinn? He left the Eastern Orthodox Church to become a Pentecostal.
Dear jonathan,
It is sad that Benny Hinn left "the pillar and ground of the truth" (1 Tim. 3:15), for a man-made, human sect.

Evangelicals make some mistakes. I know I made many mistakes and sins as an Evangelical. I still struggle against sin.

Here's some truth from an Orthodox source: "... Evangelicals balk at the very idea of "Holy Fathers," triumphantly exlaiming that Christ specifically commanded, "Call no man your father upon the earth; for one is your Father, Which is in Heaven." (St. Matthew 23:9.). This diehard idee fixe of Protestant polemics manifestly illustrates the contradictory and superficial nature of fundamentalistic Bible-thumping. While an Evangelical would censure an Orthodox for addressing a Saint, a clergyman, or a monk as "Father," at one and the same time he would think nothing of addressing his own biological, or legal, male parent as "Father," or of using one of its equivalents, such as "Dad," "Papa," etc. However, in no way did Chrst qualify His words to exempt natural fathers from His prohibition to call no man your father upon the earth. This fact somehow completely escapes the thought of Evangelicals, who inadvertently violate their own literalistic interpretation.
"Scriptural testimony itself supports the practice of addressing spiritual leaders as "Fathers." An excellent example is Saint Abraham the Patriach, the Father of many nations, (Genesis 17:4-5.) for through his faith he became the spiritual Father of all Christians. (See Romans 4:1-22.). "Our Father Abraham," (St. Luke 1:73.), is mentioned by Saint Zacharias the Prophet, as well as the Blessed Virgin Mary and the Lord Jesus Christ Himself. (See St. Luke 1:55; 16:24,30.). In a similar vein, Saint Peter implies his ow spiritual Fatherhood by referring to Saint Mark the Evangelist as "Marcus my son." (I St. Peter 5:13.). Likewise, Saint Paul conspicuously mentions the spiritual sonship of Saints Timothy, Titus, and Onesimos (See I Corinthians 4:17; I St. Timothy 1:2,18; II St. Timothy 1:2; 2:1; St. Titus 1:4; St. Philemon 10.), and, moreover, considers himself a spiritual Father of the entire Church: "As my beloved sons I warn you. For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many Fathers: for in Christ Jesus O have begotten you through the Gospel." (I Corinthians 4:15.). In fact, the Apostle of the Nations even styles himself a spiritual Mother (!): "My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you. ...." (Galatians 4:19; cf. St. Matthew 23:37 and St. Luke 13:34, where Christ likens Himself to a mother hen which "doth gather her brood in her wings.").
"The Scripture in question has been understood, from the earliest Christian times, to mean that God the Father, one of the Persons of the Holy Trinity, should never be associated with a human form." ("Questions and Answers About the Orthodox Faith," Orthodox Tradition, Vol. 1, No. 1 (1984); p. 4.)."
(pages 24-25: Hierodeacon Gregory. (1994). THE CHURCH, TRADITION, SCRIPTURE, TRUTH, AND CHRISTIAN LIFE: Some Heresies of Evangelicalism and an Orthodox Response. Etna, CA: Center for Traditionalist Orthodox Studies.).

God save us in the Saviour Jesus Christ. Amen. God bless all of you. Amen. In Erie PA USA August 20111 AD Scott R. Harrington
 
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Dear friend, So it's a faith working through love without works. How can something work with no works? That is just illogical! Also, Scripture says, "Faith without works is dead". So, again, you contradict the Scriptures! God bless you. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
Dear Scott.

As far as Gal 5 Goes. Paul specifically says it does not matter if we WORK By being Circumcized, Or DO NOT WORK By not being circumcized. It is FAITH WORKING IN LOVE. It is the WORK OF GOD Which Gives us our faith. The LOVE OF GOD is working THROUGH OUR FAITH to save us. Our pitty little works avail nothing.

Why don't you read the passage instead of listening to men.
Like I said, It is not a private interpretation. It is what the passage literally says!


And your right. Faith without works is DEAD! How can someone be saved with NO FAITH? Yet again you refuse to admit a dead faith is no faith at all. No my friend. It is you who contradict. Twist and misinterpret the word.
 
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Because it is by our works we can know our faith is not dead. James did not say we are saved or justified by works. he would contradict paul. who said we are justified by faith and not works. they can't both be right. Second You can't pick on verse and make a doctrine. You have to look at context. Context in james is dead faith. Not justified by faith.
Did you read the whole passage? Here you go again taking a verse out of a passage and making a doctrine.

4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.

The context is righteousness by faith through hope. And not of the law. For getting circumcised, or not getting it does not mean anything. It is our faith working in the love of God. Not works. You have horribly misused this passage to make a doctrine which it does not support. And no this is not a private interpretation. It is a literal translation of the verse.

Dear friend, So it's a faith working through love without works. How can something work with no works? That is just illogical! Also, Scripture says, "Faith without works is dead". So, again, you contradict the Scriptures! God bless you. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington


differences in bold

1st prayer: Vs 39: He went a little farther and fell on His face, and prayed, saying, “O My Father,
if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as Your will.”

2nd prayer: vs 42: Again, a second time, He went away and prayed, saying, “O My Father, if this cup
cannot pass away from Me unless[e] I drink it, Your will be done.”

3rdprayer:
Literally in the greek. the same word. Word is singular. Not plural as it is interpreted.

He made the same plea. But he did not repeat word for word the same words. This is not a repetative prayer. It is a beg for mercy saying it different each time.
And wow/ I proved to you Jesus did not do a repetative prayer as you ask. And you did not even respond to it. Why is that? Because you know I was correct?
 
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Dear Scott.

As far as Gal 5 Goes. Paul specifically says it does not matter if we WORK By being Circumcized, Or DO NOT WORK By not being circumcized. It is FAITH WORKING IN LOVE. It is the WORK OF GOD Which Gives us our faith. The LOVE OF GOD is working THROUGH OUR FAITH to save us. Our pitty little works avail nothing.

Why don't you read the passage instead of listening to men.
Like I said, It is not a private interpretation. It is what the passage literally says!


And your right. Faith without works is DEAD! How can someone be saved with NO FAITH? Yet again you refuse to admit a dead faith is no faith at all. No my friend. It is you who contradict. Twist and misinterpret the word.
Dear friend,
I don't contradict the Scriptures. I don't twist the scriptures. Do you contradict them? I don't know. I don't know whether you believe in justification "by faith alone". If you do, that contradicts James 2:24.
I do not refuse to admit that a dead faith is no faith at all. You are trying to say that I said something that I did not say. You should stop making false accusations about me. God bless you.
Scott Erie PA
 
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And wow/ I proved to you Jesus did not do a repetative prayer as you ask. And you did not even respond to it. Why is that? Because you know I was correct?

Dear friend.
He said the same thing using different words. So He DID pray a REPETITIVE prayer.
Why can't you understand that? Scott

 
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Dear Strangelove, Okay, so what is the TRUTH?
Sincerely, Scott R. Harrington, Erie, PA
The truth is that EOC and RCC asre both harlot daughters of the Mother, Pharisaical rabbinic judaism.
 
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Dear friend.
He said the same thing using different words. So He DID pray a REPETITIVE prayer.
Why can't you understand that? Scott

Absurd.

Did you look at the video I posted Scott?

Do you consider THAT to be vain repetitions?

If yes, good...if not....why not?
 
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BUMP for Scotty:

So are you saying you dont know if repose members of your congregation are saints?

If thats what you are saying then I agree. Only God knows.

So my next question is do you pray through/to (same dif) the repose members of your congregation?

If you do then you may be praying to dead people, which is violation of Gods law.

Also, you cant be sure that those who are officially made saints by your EO councils and wotnot ARE actually Christians, only God can know....so venerating their bones, offering them prayers and kissing pictures of them is not only necromancy but also gross idolatry.
 
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Any religious group that relies on man made tradition that nullifies Gods Word is Pharisaical.

Authoritarian hierarchical priestly system
Vain repetitions
Magic/sorcery (kabbalah)
Priestly robes match pharisee garb almost identitically.
Traditions nullify Gods law.
Idolatry
Necromancy/consulting spirits.

I'll be back later Scott.


"And don't criticize what you don't understand. ... For the times they are a'changing". - Bob Dylan


 
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BUMP for Scotty:

So are you saying you dont know if repose members of your congregation are saints?

If thats what you are saying then I agree. Only God knows.

So my next question is do you pray through/to (same dif) the repose members of your congregation?

If you do then you may be praying to dead people, which is violation of Gods law.

Also, you cant be sure that those who are officially made saints by your EO councils and wotnot ARE actually Christians, only God can know....so venerating their bones, offering them prayers and kissing pictures of them is not only necromancy but also gross idolatry.
 
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BUMP for Scotty:

So are you saying you dont know if repose members of your congregation are saints?

If thats what you are saying then I agree. Only God knows.

So my next question is do you pray through/to (same dif) the repose members of your congregation?

If you do then you may be praying to dead people, which is violation of Gods law.

Also, you cant be sure that those who are officially made saints by your EO councils and wotnot ARE actually Christians, only God can know....so venerating their bones, offering them prayers and kissing pictures of them is not only necromancy but also gross idolatry.

The Orthodox Church does not pray to dead people. Also, they don't engage in idolatry.

If you can't get anything from dead people, you would have not to read the Bible itself, for all of the

people who wrote the Bible are, by YOUR false standard of unbelief, "dead." Actually, they are ALL

ALIVE in Heaven. But you would call that necromancy. Don't you believe Christ saved St. Peter,

St. Paul, the Virgin Mary, and all of the apostles of Christ, and the only one who was lost was Judas

Iscariot?

Aren't the Saints in heaven and the Holy Virgin all alive in heaven now? Who are you to say that they are

not alive?
 
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The truth is that EOC and RCC asre both harlot daughters of the Mother, Pharisaical rabbinic judaism.
You're a Protestant, and Protestantism comes from the RCC, so that makes your faith "the illegitimate son of the harlot daughter (RCC( of Pharisaic Judaism."
The EOC is not a product of Pharisaical rabbinic Judaism: it's an opponent of the Talmud and the Mishnah. You should know better, sir! It is total ignorance and misinformation on your part what you say about the EOC!

These are the only kinds of Christians

1. Eastern Orthodox
2. Roman Catholic (including Byzantine Catholic)
3. Old Catholic
4. Oriental Orthodox (not including Nestorians)
5. Nestorians
6. Anglicans
7. Protestants 38,000 denominations and growing (includes Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses and Unitarians)
Your belief is one of the 38,000 denominations which come from Protestantism, and Protestantism comes from Papism (from Roman catholicism)

 
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The Orthodox Church does not pray to dead people. Also, they don't engage in idolatry.

If you can't get anything from dead people, you would have not to read the Bible itself, for all of the

people who wrote the Bible are, by YOUR false standard of unbelief, "dead." Actually, they are ALL

ALIVE in Heaven. But you would call that necromancy. Don't you believe Christ saved St. Peter,

St. Paul, the Virgin Mary, and all of the apostles of Christ, and the only one who was lost was Judas

Iscariot?

Aren't the Saints in heaven and the Holy Virgin all alive in heaven now? Who are you to say that they are

not alive?
Are repose members of your congregation SAINTS Scott?

10th request. Still no answer.
 
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You're a Protestant, and Protestantism comes from the RCC, so that makes your faith "the illegitimate son of the harlot daughter (RCC( of Pharisaic Judaism.
Lol...protestantism is simply PROTESTING the authority of the RCC. Its an umbrella term.
The EOC is not a product of Pharisaical rabbinic Judaism: it's an opponent of the Talmud and the Mishnah. You should know better, sir! It is total ignorance and misinformation on your part what you say about the EOC!
Then why do you mimic all their talmudic doctrines of devils and their robes and their temples and attempt, as they did, to continue temple ordinances?
These are the only kinds of Christians

1. Eastern Orthodox
2. Roman Catholic (including Byzantine Catholic)
3. Old Catholic
4. Oriental Orthodox (not including Nestorians)
5. Nestorians
6. Anglicans
7. Protestants 38,000 denominations and growing (includes Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses and Unitarians)
Your belief is one of the 38,000 denominations which come from Protestantism, and Protestantism comes from Papism (from Roman catholicism)
Give it a name Scotty. I'm a Christian thats it. I happen to reject any kind of temple authority.
 
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Are repose members of your congregation SAINTS Scott?

10th request. Still no answer.
God alone will answer.
We will all answer to God.
I am not obliged to answer prejudicial questions. Ask a false question, get a false answer.
I am sure by the way God can save anyone He wants too, and there may be saved people in a lot of places, and not just IN the Orthodox Church.
Anyway, It's up to Him to say, not any of us to speculate.
See:
Barnes, Patrick. The Non-Orthodox: The Orthodox Teaching on Christians Outside of the Church. Salisbury, MA: Regina Orthodox Press.
 
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God alone will answer.
We will all answer to God.
I am not obliged to answer prejudicial questions. Ask a false question, get a false answer.
I am sure by the way God can save anyone He wants too, and there may be saved people in a lot of places, and not just IN the Orthodox Church.
Anyway, It's up to Him to say, not any of us to speculate.
See:
Barnes, Patrick. The Non-Orthodox: The Orthodox Teaching on Christians Outside of the Church. Salisbury, MA: Regina Orthodox Press.
Great. God ALONE knows.

Next question. Do you ask repose members of your congregation to intercede for you or ask them to pray for you?
 
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Lol...protestantism is simply PROTESTING the authority of the RCC. Its an umbrella term.


Then why do you mimic all their talmudic doctrines of devils and their robes and their temples and attempt, as they did, to continue temple ordinances?


Give it a name Scotty. I'm a Christian thats it. I happen to reject any kind of temple authority.
You reject any authority external to yourself and your private, self-made interpretation of the Bible.

 
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Scotth1960

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Why does your cult worship icons Scott?
Why do you make false accusations based upon total ignorance of the facts? You sound exactly like Charlemagne, who accused the Church of deleting the Filioque from the original Nicene Creed!
 
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You reject any authority external to yourself and your private, self-made interpretation of the Bible.

I reject religious authority. I'm happy to obey the basic civil laws of the land.

My interpretation of the bible is lead by the Holy Spirt.

(John 16:13) Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.