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Blain

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I was not attempting to say anything bad about the cross merely the emphasis you put on it. Jesus and the cross are very precious indeed and it is the foundation of our salvation but every building begins with a foundation but builds up higher and higher. We look at the cross for salvation but Jesus always pointed to the father and to keep our eyes and our hearts to the heavens.

I was only mentioning all this because it seems as if you try to turn every topic into one about the cross and while that can be a good thing it is to be done in moderation as well. Jesus never pointed to himself he always pointed to father so turning everything to the cross is not what he intended.
I am not of course saying anything less about the cross but I just think that not everything is about that. He teaches us to walk for a reason yes there is wisdom in kneeling and meditating at the heels of the cross but eventually Jesus comes and says walk with me
 

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At the Judgement Seat of Christ, all works of the Believer most be birth and produced by the Holy Spirit. If they are not birth and produced by the Holy Spirit, it is dead works and rotten fruit.

12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss (refers to the loss of reward, but not Salvation): but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. 1 Cor. 3:12-15


The Great White Throne Judgement
“30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth (these individuals do not merely lose reward, but rather their souls; all of this, as should be overly obvious, completely refutes the unscriptural doctrine of unconditional eternal security).” Matthew 25:30



The Great White Throne Judgement
“27 But those My enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before Me (pertains to all who fall into this category, including the entirety of the Earth, and for all time; this will take place at the “Great White Throne Judgment” [Rev. 20:11-15]).” Luke 19:27

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I was not attempting to say anything bad about the cross merely the emphasis you put on it.
All emphasis (jot and tittle) must be pointed to Calvary Cross or it is the flesh being seduced by the Devil!!!!!!!
 

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All emphasis (jot and tittle) must be pointed to Calvary Cross or it is the flesh being seduced by the Devil!!!!!!!
So then by your logic let me ask you this am I then of the devil? Also while I will discuss these things with you on your thread I would appreciate it if you did not do this on the thread I made on the wof and the gifts. The point of a thread is to discuss the topic at hand and it is rude to take over anpother persons thread.
Also believe it or not you don't have to speak of the cross and Jesus to point to it and to him. The things we say in the spirit always point to him, every word we say in love and in kindness, every time we react to someone in maturity and the peace of the spirit, every time we inspire encourage and uplift others, every time we fan that flame create that spark cause that hunger and thirst for him. These are the spirit in action and he always points to God and you saying it is otherwise of the flesh and devil is in doing so saying this about the spirit who inspired people to do these works.
 
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So then by your logic let me ask you this am I then of the devil? Also while I will discuss these things with you on your thread I would appreciate it if you did not do this on the thread I made on the wof and the gifts. The point of a thread is to discuss the topic at hand and it is rude to take over anpother persons thread.
Also believe it or not you don't have to speak of the cross and Jesus to point to it and to him. The things we say in the spirit always point to him, every word we say in love and in kindness, every time we react to someone in maturity and the peace of the spirit, every time we inspire encourage and uplift others, every time we fan that flame create that spark cause that hunger and thirst for him. These are the spirit in action and he always points to God and you saying it is otherwise of the flesh and devil is in doing so saying this about the spirit who inspired people to do these works.
The Cross is a two fold victory; for the sinner and for the Saint. It means for the sinner, it saves us from sin. And the Cross for the Saint, saves us from self and breaks the grip of sin over our lives.

The majority of Christians know nothing about the Cross of Christ for sanctification. All they have in their mind is, "I have to do something." Satan has been the master of deception by deceiving the Christian population into moving them away from the Cross to something else. How does he do this? The Flesh Is Weak!

Satan's deception is so powerful that, according to the book of Revelation, he will deceive all the nations of the world. So he is not to be taken lightly! Satan has turned deception into an art form.

If a Christian will and their efforts to live for God is in anything except Christ and the Cross, i.e., Finished Work, The Blood of Jesus (Romans 8:2), Satan can override your will and force you to do things you don't want to do and trying not to do (Ephesians 6:12). Jesus said deny yourself and take up your cross DAILY and follow me (Luke 9:23). Notice, He did not stay don't put such much emphasis on the cross as you have stated. He said take up your cross DAILY. Why would Jesus say such a thing? Because that's the only way we receive all the benefits of this resurrection life (victory)! Psalm 103:2

Oh you double-minded man, you have a make believe pretend salvation who is spiritually blinded along with everyone who agrees with you ! You are of the Devil!!!!!!!
 

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The Cross is a two fold victory; for the sinner and for the Saint. It means for the sinner, it saves us from sin. And the Cross for the Saint, saves us from self and breaks the grip of sin over our lives.

The majority of Christians know nothing about the Cross of Christ for sanctification. All they have in their mind is, "I have to do something." Satan has been the master of deception by deceiving the Christian population into moving them away from the Cross to something else. How does he do this? The Flesh Is Weak!

Satan's deception is so powerful that, according to the book of Revelation, he will deceive all the nations of the world. So he is not to be taken lightly! Satan has turned deception into an art form.

If a Christian will and their efforts to live for God is in anything except Christ and the Cross, i.e., Finished Work, The Blood of Jesus (Romans 8:2), Satan can override your will and force you to do things you don't want to do and trying not to do (Ephesians 6:12). Jesus said deny yourself and take up your cross DAILY and follow me (Luke 9:23). Notice, He did not stay don't put such much emphasis on the cross as you have stated. He said take up your cross DAILY. Why would Jesus say such a thing? Because that's the only way we receive all the benefits of this resurrection life (victory)! Psalm 103:2

Oh you double-minded man, you have a make believe pretend salvation who is spiritually blinded along with everyone who agrees with you ! You are of the Devil!!!!!!!
Firstly it is not for you to decide who is his or not because you do not know their hearts and secondly the statement you make that most Christians do not know or understand the cross is a flat out lie. We are saved by the blood of christ and it is his blood that sanctifies us and created the covanent between God and us and you have no right to say who is his or not.
I would caution you in how you speak of his children for he is a jealous and protective God.
You know the pharisee's also thought they knew better than everyone else and they also accused Jesus of being of the devil. But you know them by their fruits do you not? I have been nothing but respectful calm and reasonable with you, I have tried to reason with you about your logic and responded in the correct manner to your replies however angry they seemed to appear. But what have you shown? you think yourself to know better and refuse any reason or logic that says other than what you preach, you accuse everyone of not knowing the power of the cross and go so far as to say I am of the devil and anyone who agrees with me, you continue to act as if you know me and my heart and yet you are blind to your own.
I have shown peace in the spirit in my responses to you, I have remained calm and shown only love, I have stood up fopr those you attack and have tried my best to show you the reasoning of both sides of this argument. These are the fruits of the spirit, but the enemy who is the accuser who shows arrogance and pride who believes himself to know better and accuses- these are the fruits you have shown.

I don't care if you say these things about me but when you say these things about others that is where I draw the line and I warn you if you do not humble yourself and stop with these horrible words towards everyone I will NOT hesitate to report you. Just as God is jealous and protective of his children I am as well, I ama gentle and kind soul but if you make the mistake of making my eyes blaze like fire in your attacks against his beloved's that is not a line you want to cross and I will even go to robo op myself if need be so I suggest you humble yourself and and keep your attacks directed to me only
 
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The Cross is a two fold victory; for the sinner and for the Saint. It means for the sinner, it saves us from sin. And the Cross for the Saint, saves us from self and breaks the grip of sin over our lives.

The majority of Christians know nothing about the Cross of Christ for sanctification. All they have in their mind is, "I have to do something." Satan has been the master of deception by deceiving the Christian population into moving them away from the Cross to something else. How does he do this? The Flesh Is Weak!

Satan's deception is so powerful that, according to the book of Revelation, he will deceive all the nations of the world. So he is not to be taken lightly! Satan has turned deception into an art form.

If a Christian will and their efforts to live for God is in anything except Christ and the Cross, i.e., Finished Work, The Blood of Jesus (Romans 8:2), Satan can override your will and force you to do things you don't want to do and trying not to do (Ephesians 6:12). Jesus said deny yourself and take up your cross DAILY and follow me (Luke 9:23). Notice, He did not stay don't put such much emphasis on the cross as you have stated. He said take up your cross DAILY. Why would Jesus say such a thing? Because that's the only way we receive all the benefits of this resurrection life (victory)! Psalm 103:2

Oh you double-minded man, you have a make believe pretend salvation who is spiritually blinded along with everyone who agrees with you ! You are of the Devil!!!!!!!



Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the Power of God unto salvation to everyond that believeth........
Romans 2:1,6,7 Therefore thou art INEXCUSEABLE,O man,whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another,THOU CONDEMNEST THYSELF; ........
6.Who will render to every man according to HIS DEEDS:
7. To them who by patient CONTINUENCE IN WELL DOING seek for glory and honour and immortality,eternal life:



Satan cannot make us do anything!
Romans8:37 NAY,in all these things WE ARE MORE THAN CONQUERORS through Him that loved us.


Luke 9:23 And He said to them ALL,If ANY man will come after me,let him take up HIS CROSS DAILY,AND FOLLOW ME.



Get off of Mr. Swaggarts back and follow God,He leads BEYOND the cross!
 

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Verse 21- Jesus is saying that your investments will occupy your heart's concerns
 
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Firstly it is not for you to decide who is his or not because you do not know their hearts and secondly the statement you make that most Christians do not know or understand the cross is a flat out lie. We are saved by the blood of christ and it is his blood that sanctifies us and created the covanent between God and us and you have no right to say who is his or not.
I would caution you in how you speak of his children for he is a jealous and protective God.
You know the pharisee's also thought they knew better than everyone else and they also accused Jesus of being of the devil. But you know them by their fruits do you not? I have been nothing but respectful calm and reasonable with you, I have tried to reason with you about your logic and responded in the correct manner to your replies however angry they seemed to appear. But what have you shown? you think yourself to know better and refuse any reason or logic that says other than what you preach, you accuse everyone of not knowing the power of the cross and go so far as to say I am of the devil and anyone who agrees with me, you continue to act as if you know me and my heart and yet you are blind to your own.
I have shown peace in the spirit in my responses to you, I have remained calm and shown only love, I have stood up fopr those you attack and have tried my best to show you the reasoning of both sides of this argument. These are the fruits of the spirit, but the enemy who is the accuser who shows arrogance and pride who believes himself to know better and accuses- these are the fruits you have shown.

I don't care if you say these things about me but when you say these things about others that is where I draw the line and I warn you if you do not humble yourself and stop with these horrible words towards everyone I will NOT hesitate to report you. Just as God is jealous and protective of his children I am as well, I ama gentle and kind soul but if you make the mistake of making my eyes blaze like fire in your attacks against his beloved's that is not a line you want to cross and I will even go to robo op myself if need be so I suggest you humble yourself and and keep your attacks directed to me only
Don't confuse what love is. Jesus is, and was, and always will be the ultimate example of love. God is love. And yet that didn't stop the Lord from calling the Sadducees and the Pharisees what they were. He called them snakes, vipers, and two fold child of the Devil in the book of Matthew.

Jesus said, "you will know them by their fruit." According to Eph. 5:9, the Fruit of the Spirit is located in these three areas; goodness, Righteousness, and Truth. Romans 4:5 tells us that God awards Righteousness to a Child of God only by their Faith placed and maintained exclusively in Christ and His Finished Work at Calvary Cross (The Blood of Jesus) where the victory was won. Therefore, if you reject the Cross (The Blood of Jesus), you reject the Righteousness of God. Which means Satan is your father.
 
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Ouch. Give the guy a break. He obviously means that Jesus is bringing us all the way to final Glorification.
As I stated before, Satan can force you to do and say things you really don't want to do when you reject the Righteousness of God, which is the Cross (The Blood of Jesus). The hedge of protection comes down (Eccl. 10:8).
 

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Firstly it is not for you to decide who is his or not because you do not know their hearts and secondly the statement you make that most Christians do not know or understand the cross is a flat out lie. We are saved by the blood of christ and it is his blood that sanctifies us and created the covanent between God and us and you have no right to say who is his or not.
I would caution you in how you speak of his children for he is a jealous and protective God.
You know the pharisee's also thought they knew better than everyone else and they also accused Jesus of being of the devil. But you know them by their fruits do you not? I have been nothing but respectful calm and reasonable with you, I have tried to reason with you about your logic and responded in the correct manner to your replies however angry they seemed to appear. But what have you shown? you think yourself to know better and refuse any reason or logic that says other than what you preach, you accuse everyone of not knowing the power of the cross and go so far as to say I am of the devil and anyone who agrees with me, you continue to act as if you know me and my heart and yet you are blind to your own.
I have shown peace in the spirit in my responses to you, I have remained calm and shown only love, I have stood up fopr those you attack and have tried my best to show you the reasoning of both sides of this argument. These are the fruits of the spirit, but the enemy who is the accuser who shows arrogance and pride who believes himself to know better and accuses- these are the fruits you have shown.

I don't care if you say these things about me but when you say these things about others that is where I draw the line and I warn you if you do not humble yourself and stop with these horrible words towards everyone I will NOT hesitate to report you. Just as God is jealous and protective of his children I am as well, I ama gentle and kind soul but if you make the mistake of making my eyes blaze like fire in your attacks against his beloved's that is not a line you want to cross and I will even go to robo op myself if need be so I suggest you humble yourself and and keep your attacks directed to me only
I have to agree this person is getting out of line with these heavy condemnations.
 
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If Jesus Christ is our Treasure, and we want to give God our heart, how do you know He has our heart? Jesus said in John 14:21 these words, "He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me." So how do we keep His commandments and show Him we love Him (by this He has our heart)?
 

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If Jesus Christ is our Treasure, and we want to give God our heart, how do you know He has our heart? Jesus said in John 14:21 these words, "He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me." So how do we keep His commandments and show Him we love Him (by this He has our heart)?
By all means provide us with the answer to all of these questions we are waiting patiently.
 
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I have to agree this person is getting out of line with these heavy condemnations.

There is no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Rom. 8:1
To be in Christ your Faith must be placed and maintained exclusively in Christ and Him Crucified daily (Luke 9:23).
 
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By all means provide us with the answer to all of these questions we are waiting patiently.
This is bible study, for those who are hungry and thirsty, much more will the Lord Jesus give them. By the way, I have given the answers.
 

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This is bible study, for those who are hungry and thirsty, much more will the Lord Jesus give them. By the way, I have given the answers.
I counted two question marks so that's why I was asking.
 
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I counted two question marks so that's why I was asking.
Without Faith it is impossible to please God; and the only Faith God will accept is Faith in His Beloved Son Jesus Christ and His Atoning Sacrificial Work at Calvary Cross. It is called "The Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus" (Rom. 8:2). Every single blessing received by the Child of God comes through Calvary.

"The "Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus" demands the Child of God place and maintain their Faith and Trust exclusively in Jesus Christ Faith and His Finished Work at Calvary Cross (The Blood of Jesus) where the victory was won.

This is what it means to walk by Faith, not by sight (2 Corinthians 5:7). Failure to understand this or willfully dismiss this stops Grace immediately! Gal. 2:20-21 - This is a form of Godliness / Lukewarm!!!!!!! Proclaiming Christ while forsaking the Cross (the Blood of Jesus).

As I have peached, and preached, what most have rejected:

God has chosen to operate His work from the basis of faith. "The Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus" (Romans 8:2) is God's prescribed order of victory for the Believer over sin, the world, the flesh, and the Devil.

The Holy Spirit doesn't require much of us, but He does require one thing, and without reservation. Our Faith and Trust must be exclusively be in Jesus Christ Faith and His Finished Work at Calvary Cross where the victory was won (the Blood of Jesus). No other way pleases God the Father, and no other way do we receive Grace (blessings).

We live by what Jesus Christ did by Grace through Faith Who loved us and gave Himself for us at the Cross of Calvary where the victory was won (Rom. 6:3-5, Philippians 1:21);

We live by:
His Obedience (Philippians 2:8, John 10:18),
His Faith (Gal. 2:20-21), and
His Love (Faith works by Love -Gal. 5:6).
His Works (Phil. 2:13)


It is not our obedience, not our faith, not our love, and not our works, that we live by. Rom. 8:2, Gal. 2:18

In other words, place and maintain your Faith exclusively in Christ and His Finished Work at Calvary Cross (The Blood of Jesus) where the victory was won and receive all the benefits of this resurrection life (the help of the Holy Spirit). Romans 8:2