To the title only: people will judge themselves. If you read in the Wordf about those being deluded to the point of believing lies, you will find in the near text they have become this way because they loved evil, they chose evil over good.
Hand and hand with this choice they have chosen not to be with Godn nor to give hIM ALL CREDIT FOR ALL THATIS INCLUDING THEMSELVES.
It may sound strange but people actually choose to be separate from God. If you look around at all the misery , the pain, the suffering and the death on the earth and in this age, you will eventually understand it is caused by these people, maybe demons incarnate, who have chosen evil over good, separation rather than adoration of God.
You must have posted in the wrong thread by mistake.
I am trying to spark discussion about the verses I posted and what they actually mean when properly defined.
I have a few questions about your post.
What is the Wordf?
What is "the near text"?
Who is Godn?
Who is hIM?
How can one judge ones self unless the one is God?
You may think they can and they may think they can...
But only God can or the One He appointed as judge.
As for people choosing to be separate, Jesus said, "Satan is the ruler of this world".
For example: The couple had no intention or even considered of breaking the
command in the garden. They were deceived by the serpent when God wasn't around.
There was no sin until the serpent entered the garden and deceived them.
So that is a fact that should be taken to heart when studying.
Do people just on their own decide to do wrong? Did they
design themselves? Where does that desire come from?
God didn't put the desire in them. It wasn't in the blueprint.
God said of Satan, "iniquity was found in him (satan).
That was in the blueprint. For he was created by God.
satan is a very powerful entity. Much more powerful
than a man without God. he can make you do whatever
he wants. So can God. God being the Most High...
allowed it though He could stop it anytime.
To have free will to choose, there has to be a choice.
There has to be Good and evil to choose from.
Most say God steps back and let's us choose.
What about satan? he doesn't step back.
Good day Chuckyz2,
The above scripture is indeed true, as Jesus is the Savior of all men. However, not all men come to Him. An individual must believe in Christ in order to receive the gift of salvation. In presenting this scripture, you are inferring that all men are saved, period. This is where the comparison and cross-referencing of other scriptures in necessary. Regarding this, I will use the same examples as I did in the earlier post:
"Enter through the narrow gate for wide is the gate and broad the way leading to destruction, and many are those entering through it. For small is the gate and narrow the way leading to life, and few are those finding it."
"Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.
In the first scripture which I listed, Jesus says that many are entering through the gate that leads to destruction and in comparison, only a few find the narrow gate leading to eternal life. The Lord did not say "maybe some enter in" but many. And the second scripture says that whoever rejects Christ will not see life and God's wrath remains on Him. Therefore, by comparing other scriptures we can come to a right conclusion regarding this or any other Biblical issue.
Another example of this would be the controversy regarding soul-sleep vs. conscious awareness of the spirit after the death of the body. There are scriptures which refer to death as sleeping and we have scriptures that demonstrate the conscious awareness of the spirit after the death of the body. Since they both can't be right and we have scriptures demonstrating the conscious awareness of the spirit after death, then the term "sleep" for those who have died can only be referring to the body and not the spirit.
Whenever coming across scriptures like the one you provided, we must also keep in mind those other scriptures regarding the same issue. In this case, the only conclusion that we can come to is that, Jesus is indeed the Savior of all men, but not all men come to Him. Therefore, taking all scriptures into consideration "All men" cannot include those who reject Christ, because salvation is conditional upon the individual having faith.
Actually what that verse says is that He saves all men and He follows it up how by saying "specially the believers". Which when defined means the non believers are saved the same as the believers.
For you to say that He doesn't save all men, means you don't know English, are in complete denial about the huge contradiction this verse puts in your theology or you are a liar.
The simple fact that you deny such an obvious statement means we can not come to any dialogue.
It does simply state all men are saved the same as the believers.
The context that applies to this verse is not what you provide.
Rather the verses that talk about the believers once being unbelievers coming to believe, they are the reference to how God will save the unbelievers.
Romans 11
30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
It really is overwhelmingly simple.
No matter how much you call the light dark,
it is light.
No matter how much you call mercy, "merciless",
Merciful is merciful.
Nothing you can say or do will change the definition.
Your theology puts contradictions in the Bible where none actually exist.
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