GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

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Shamah

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i don't know what you're referring to in your post

here's the original question that i posed to another user

that other user seems to prefer the kjv

so that's the version I used

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in your view

which one is The Word which became Flesh*here

Psalm 110: 1. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

The LORD
or
my Lord
or both?

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This has already been answered twice:

Yes it was in the quote, my view is the hebrew is intrepreted/translated as in this quote:



This is due to the origin language and context of t he entire Psalm.

Look at the Hebrew;

This is "my Master"

לַֽאדֹנִ֗י

This is "Master"

אָדֹן
You even replied to my answer here:

thanks!

so, in your view it's the "my Lord" that is The Word which became Flesh

and The Word which became Flesh is one with yhwh

but not the same as yhwh

such that yhwh is talking to himself
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This reply led to my post aboive that you said you dont "konw what Im referring to"...
 

PS

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"I'm still smarting from the denial of Psalm 110."

I'm not following you here

do you feel that i denied ps 110?
Not you. The person who posted this in brown below.

"Psalm 110:1, "יהוה said to my Master, “Sit at My right hand, Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.”"

"I (Yahweh) said to my Master “Sit at My right hand, Until I (your servant) make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.”"

 

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As a software and electronics engineer you will know about upgrades, so I suggest you upgrade your religion according to its creator who updated it 2000 years ago.
I adhere to the Apostles Creed which is a doctrinal statement defining who is and isn't a Christian. In addition I am Reformed (Calvinist) in my theology. Your comment is very harsh in view of all the different gospel preaching denominations. Each has their distinctives (differences of opinion). Where is my error about the gospel which is the cornerstone of the Apostles Creed?

Shame on you!!
 
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PS

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I adhere to the Apostles Creed which is a doctrinal statement defining who is and isn't a Christian. In addition I am Reformed (Calvinist) in my theology. Your comment is very harsh in view of all the different gospel preaching denominations. Each has their distinctives (differences of opinion). Where is my error about the gospel which is the cornerstone of the Apostles Creed?

Shame on you!!
If you want me to, I will point them out as they come along.
 

PS

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Christians believe the whole Bible is the Word of God! That goes from Genesis to Revelation! There are sections of the law that don't apply to everyone. The following lists the 613 rules of the law and a discussion about it. Read and learn. The list is divided into sections.

List of the 613 laws in the Torah
All 613 Commandments in the Old Testament Law of Moses

Discussion about the 613 laws in the Torah
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_commandments
I adhere to the Apostles Creed which is a doctrinal statement defining who is and isn't a Christian. In addition I am Reformed (Calvinist) in my theology. Your comment is very harsh in view of all the different gospel preaching denominations. Each has their distinctives (differences of opinion). Where is my error about the gospel which is the cornerstone of the Apostles Creed?

Shame on you!!
Despite your mention of the Apostles Creed, you seem very addicted to the Old Testament. That was my reason for saying about the need for an upgrade.

Lights out. I will speak to you tomorrow, providing you want me to.
 

Shamah

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Not you. The person who posted this in brown below.

"Psalm 110:1, "יהוה said to my Master, “Sit at My right hand, Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.”"

"I (Yahweh) said to my Master “Sit at My right hand, Until I (your servant) make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.”"



1732 [e] lə-ḏā-wiḏ,
לְדָוִ֗ד of David Noun
4210 [e] miz-mō-wr מִ֫זְמ֥וֹר A Psalm Noun

It is "a psalm of David"

it is David calling Him "my Master"


Matthew 22:43-44, “He said to them, “Then how does Dawiḏ in the Spirit call Him ‘Master,’ saying, "יהוה said to my Master, “Sit at My right hand, until I make Your enemies a footstool of Your feet”



DO you people ven care what the word says or are you satisfied with your own fairytales?
 

PS

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1732 [e] lə-ḏā-wiḏ,
לְדָוִ֗ד of David Noun
4210 [e] miz-mō-wr מִ֫זְמ֥וֹר A Psalm Noun

It is "a psalm of David"

it is David calling Him "my Master"

Matthew 22:43-44, “He said to them, “Then how does Dawiḏ in the Spirit call Him ‘Master,’ saying, "יהוה said to my Master, “Sit at My right hand, until I make Your enemies a footstool of Your feet”

DO you people ven care what the word says or are you satisfied with your own fairytales?
The scribes were saying that Christ was the son of son of David, which he is by descent.

To which Jesus said to them, "How then doth David in spirit call Him Lord?” (Mat_22:42, Mat_22:43).

The point Jesus was making is that he is both man and Lord.
 

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Despite your mention of the Apostles Creed, you seem very addicted to the Old Testament. That was my reason for saying about the need for an upgrade.

Lights out. I will speak to you tomorrow, providing you want me to.
The Old Testament is part of Gods word. It is significantly larger than the New Testament. With the exception of Leviticus which is details for the Levites to perform their Priestly duties the rest of scripture is for everyone In the Torah has the law currently in force, according to Jesus, until heaven and earth disappear. Where in the New Testament do all 613 laws appear? Breaking this law is sin. Therefore the question is how do you know what sin is without knowing the law. Paul pointed this out in Romans. How did the universe begin? There is a Christian science based multinational organization at creation.com called Christian Ministries International that uses science to defend Genesis. They point out that the atheist big bang evolution violates 5 scientific laws. Genesis is the cornerstone of Christianity which is why atheists attack it vociferously. That is how important it is. The first words of Genesis is, "In the beginning God created the heavens and earth." That is their point of attack. They must try to destroy that to allow big bang evolution to be validated. Also archaeology proves the cities in Genesis and later exist exactly as recorded in the Bible. No other document about early history is this accurate since it is written by the victors of war.
 
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PS

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The Old Testament is part of Gods word. It is significantly larger than the New Testament. With the exception of Leviticus which is details for the Levites to perform their Priestly duties the rest of scripture is for everyone In the Torah has the law currently in force, according to Jesus, until heaven and earth disappear. Where in the New Testament do all 613 laws appear? Breaking this law is sin. Therefore the question is how do you know what sin is without knowing the law. Paul pointed this out in Romans. How did the universe begin? There is a Christian science based multinational organization at creation.com called Christian Ministries International that uses science to defend Genesis. They point out that the atheist big bang evolution violates 5 scientific laws. Genesis is the cornerstone of Christianity which is why atheists attack it vociferously. That is how important it is. The first words of Genesis is, "In the beginning God created the heavens and earth." That is their point of attack. They must try to destroy that to allow big bang evolution to be validated. Also archaeology proves the cities in Genesis and later exist exactly as recorded in the Bible. No other document about early history is this accurate since it is written by the victors of war.
History is written by the victors, that is true, and a very one-sided account they give.

I would love to read about the Canaanite invasion written by the Canaanites. "Biblical history has become increasingly problematic as the archaeological and textual evidence supports the idea that the early Israelites were in fact themselves Canaanites." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaan

It was only Joseph and his family who went into Egypt. They multiplied over 400 years, came back and killed their own kith and kin. Nice! (not) They even wrote a song in praise of the mass slaughter, perhaps even many songs. I think that is sick.

Give me Jesus who is the "Way the Truth, and the Life" every time.
 
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Dan_473

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This has already been answered twice:



You even replied to my answer here:



This reply led to my post aboive that you said you dont "konw what Im referring to"...
you responded to it,
i disagree that you answered it

here are the four possible answers

A The LORD

B my Lord

C both A & B

D neither A nor B
 

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The Old Testament is part of Gods word. It is significantly larger than the New Testament. With the exception of Leviticus which is details for the Levites to perform their Priestly duties the rest of scripture is for everyone In the Torah has the law currently in force, according to Jesus, until heaven and earth disappear. Where in the New Testament do all 613 laws appear? Breaking this law is sin. Therefore the question is how do you know what sin is without knowing the law. Paul pointed this out in Romans. How did the universe begin? There is a Christian science based multinational organization at creation.com called Christian Ministries International that uses science to defend Genesis. They point out that the atheist big bang evolution violates 5 scientific laws. Genesis is the cornerstone of Christianity which is why atheists attack it vociferously. That is how important it is. The first words of Genesis is, "In the beginning God created the heavens and earth." That is their point of attack. They must try to destroy that to allow big bang evolution to be validated. Also archaeology proves the cities in Genesis and later exist exactly as recorded in the Bible. No other document about early history is this accurate since it is written by the victors of war.
"...the rest of scripture is for everyone In the Torah has the law currently in force, according to Jesus, until heaven and earth disappear."

i disagree

for example, i don't think we are required to marry our dead brother's wife
 

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History is written by the victors, that is true, and a very one-sided account they give.

I would love to read about the Canaanite invasion written by the Canaanites. "Biblical history has become increasingly problematic as the archaeological and textual evidence supports the idea that the early Israelites were in fact themselves Canaanites." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaan

It was only Joseph and his family who went into Egypt. They multiplied over 400 years, came back and killed their own kith and kin. Nice! (not) They even wrote a song in praise of the mass slaughter, perhaps even many songs. I think that is sick.

Give me Jesus who is the "Way the Truth, and the Life" every time.
"...the early Israelites were in fact themselves Canaanites."

a fascinating idea

i think it requires a liberal reading of the scriptures, but a fascinating idea nonetheless!
 

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"...the rest of scripture is for everyone In the Torah has the law currently in force, according to Jesus, until heaven and earth disappear."

i disagree

for example, i don't think we are required to marry our dead brother's wife
Not at all!
That's why we have life insurance these days....

In more primitive societies that I have ministered in, in Africa, this practise was widespread.
Sadly, as the HIV epidemic took hold in the 1970's this practise, designed for good, greatly magnified the rapid spread of HIV throughout sub-Saharan Africa....
 

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Not at all!
That's why we have life insurance these days....

In more primitive societies that I have ministered in, in Africa, this practise was widespread.
Sadly, as the HIV epidemic took hold in the 1970's this practise, designed for good, greatly magnified the rapid spread of HIV throughout sub-Saharan Africa....
Yes, an excellent example
 

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Not at all!
That's why we have life insurance these days....

In more primitive societies that I have ministered in, in Africa, this practise was widespread.
Sadly, as the HIV epidemic took hold in the 1970's this practise, designed for good, greatly magnified the rapid spread of HIV throughout sub-Saharan Africa....
How about a new commandment, "Thou shall have only one partner for life?"
 

PS

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"...the early Israelites were in fact themselves Canaanites."

a fascinating idea

i think it requires a liberal reading of the scriptures, but a fascinating idea nonetheless!
Do the research.
 
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The belief that Christian worship must be conducted on a Gregorian Saturday (to the exclusion of a Gregorian Sunday) is something anti-Trinitarian groups are known for pushing.
 

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History is written by the victors, that is true, and a very one-sided account they give.

I would love to read about the Canaanite invasion written by the Canaanites. "Biblical history has become increasingly problematic as the archaeological and textual evidence supports the idea that the early Israelites were in fact themselves Canaanites." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaan

It was only Joseph and his family who went into Egypt. They multiplied over 400 years, came back and killed their own kith and kin. Nice! (not) They even wrote a song in praise of the mass slaughter, perhaps even many songs. I think that is sick.

Give me Jesus who is the "Way the Truth, and the Life" every time.
The fact is that archaeological digs when enough are done on a Biblical site prove the Genesis history is 100% accurate. Sodom and Jericho for example prove the miraculous events took place as described in the Bible.

Sodom was hit by a pyroclstic (superheated) blast from above. The lower city was turned to dust and the same happened to the upper parts of the buildings in the upper level.

Jericho had its massive inner wall fall outward covering the smooth ramp and smaller outer wall. The city was attacked and the people killed and the city was burned but nothing of value was taken. All valuables and filled grain stores left behind.
 

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"...the early Israelites were in fact themselves Canaanites."

a fascinating idea

i think it requires a liberal reading of the scriptures, but a fascinating idea nonetheless!
Seems like you ignore Biblical history. The lineage of the Israelites is documented in Genesis. They are Canaanite only by moving to that region. Thus you have to say the Bible is wrong to say they were Canaanites. This concept on a Christian web site What next? Jesus just a man? Super liberal reading of scripture.
 

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Seems like you ignore Biblical history. The lineage of the Israelites is documented in Genesis. They are Canaanite only by moving to that region. Thus you have to say the Bible is wrong to say they were Canaanites. This concept on a Christian web site What next? Jesus just a man? Super liberal reading of scripture.
Gen_11:31 And Terah took Abram his son, and Lot the son of Haran his son's son, and Sarai his daughter in law, his son Abram's wife; and they went forth with them from Ur of the Chaldees, to go into the land of Canaan; and they came unto Haran, and dwelt there.

Gen_15:7 And he said unto him, I am the LORD that brought thee out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give thee this land to inherit it.

Then, many years later Moses went in and destroyed them.