GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[Nehemiah6]

[10] YE OBSERVE DAYS, AND MONTHS, AND TIMES, AND YEARS.[11] I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Galatians 4 says nothing about sabbaths or feast days. Its speaking of those who observe times.

You are trying to contradict what is clearly stated in the Scripture quote. That is a dangerous game.

Days, and months, and times, and years absolutely INCLUDES sabbath days and feast days. Indeed Paul makes this crystal clear in Colossians 2:16,17:

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days:] Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

What is Paul teaching here? That Christians are to DISREGARD those who wish to revive dietary laws, Sabbatarianism and the feasts and festivals of Israel when they judge Christians for not observing them, and take a holier-than-thou attitude about Sabbath observance, or the dietary restrictions in the Law of Moses.

Paul calls all these things "shadows" because the substance and reality is Christ Himself. He is our Sabbath, He is our Passover, He is our First Fruits, etc. And Christ Himself abolished all dietary restrictions.

So the ones who wish to put themselves into bondage with these ceremonial observances from the Law are actually making a mockery of Christ!

 

[Wall]

The Sanctification of the 7th Day came long before Levi?

Amen to that Studyman

GENESIS 2 [1] Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. [2] And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. [3] And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY, AND SANCTIFIED IT: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

EZEKIEL 20 [12] Moreover also I GAVE THEM MY SABBATHS, TO BE A SIGN between me and them, that they might know THAT I AM THE LORD THAT SANCTIFY THEM.

The sabbath is a sign between God and his people that the “Lord does sanctify them”.

ISAIAH 66 [15] For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.[16] For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.[17] THEY THAT SANCTIFY THEMSELVES, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, EATING SWINE'S FLESH, and the abomination, and the mouse, SHALL BE CONSUMED together, saith the LORD.

I just love “Day of the Lord” scriptures. No one can claim that the scripture is for ancient Israel, because its yet to be fulfilled. It will be fulfilled when Jesus returns. Anyways, if THE SABBATH IS A SIGN THAT GOD SANCTIFYS YOU. Who are those that “sanctify themselves”? Pretty simple to figure out. But as i seen you post this before Studyman..... They will not walk therein

 

[posthuman]

Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are His:​

and He changeth the times and the seasons: He removeth kings, and setteth up kings: ​

He giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:​

He revealeth the deep and secret things: He knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with Him.​

(Daniel 2:20-22)​

 

[posthuman]

The Sanctification of the 7th Day came long before Levi?

why does the Law have Levi profaning every sabbath,
and why are the priests guiltless doing so?

 

[Wall]

[QUOTE="Nehemiah6, post: 3621741, member: 258921"

Days, and months, and times, and years absolutely INCLUDES sabbath days and feast days.[/QUOTE]

Birthdays?

 

[Dan_473]

The Sanctification of the 7th Day came long before Levi?

one of the 10 is actually set aside to do things related to the levitical priesthood.

that's what I hadn't realized before reading posthuman's post.

 

[lightbearer]

why does the Law have Levi profaning every sabbath,
and why are the priests guiltless doing so?

Spiritual work is not the work we are to cease from on the Seventh Day. Physical work is.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Spiritual work is not the work we are to cease from on the Seventh Day. Physical work is.

Works of the flesh are what we are to cease from on a certain day called "today" (hear his voice and harden not your heart).

 

[posthuman]

Spiritual work is not the work we are to cease from on the Seventh Day. Physical work is.

the priests were doing literal physical activities, not just meditating. their job, as it were.
Jesus calls it 'profaning' or 'desecrating' the sabbath, and says they are guiltless to do so.

 

[Studyman]

why does the Law have Levi profaning every sabbath,
and why are the priests guiltless doing so?

Jesus was rebuking mainstream preachers of His time whose religious doctrines transgressed the Commandments of God by their own man made religious traditions, such as it being unlawful to help a brother in need, or walk in fellowship and picking a strawberry or ear of corn to eat on God's Holy Sabbath. A religion that used parts of God's word in their religion, but omitted parts that didn't suit them. If can't come to terms with this Biblical truth, then you will not able to understand the rebuke.

 

[gb9]

Jesus was rebuking mainstream preachers of His time whose religious doctrines transgressed the Commandments of God by their own man made religious traditions, such as it being unlawful to help a brother in need, or walk in fellowship and picking a strawberry or ear of corn to eat on God's Holy Sabbath. A religion that used parts of God's word in their religion, but omitted parts that didn't suit them. If can't come to terms with this Biblical truth, then you will not able to understand the rebuke.

so, now, after I pointed out that Peter said the jews and their leaders crucified Christ out of ignorance, you are walking back your stance on the Pharisees being devil worshipers. good. glad to see truth coming true.

 

[Studyman]

the priests were doing literal physical activities, not just meditating. their job, as it were.
Jesus calls it 'profaning' or 'desecrating' the sabbath, and says they are guiltless to do so.

5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?

6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.

7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

They didn't condemn the Priests that were doing as God had commanded them, why did they condemn Jesus, their Messiah, for doing the same thing?

 

[posthuman]

Jesus was rebuking mainstream preachers of His time whose religious doctrines transgressed the Commandments of God by their own man made religious traditions, such as it being unlawful to help a brother in need, or walk in fellowship and picking a strawberry or ear of corn to eat on God's Holy Sabbath..

no,

Or have ye not read in the Law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
(Matthew 12:5) ​

He is talking about the Law.

 

[Studyman]

so, now, after I pointed out that Peter said the jews and their leaders crucified Christ out of ignorance, you are walking back your stance on the Pharisees being devil worshipers. good. glad to see truth coming true.

The Pharisees rebuked Jesus, their Messiah, because they rejected God and His protection, and were taken captive by satan to do its will, as Jesus said. "You are of your father the devil". The difference between you and me in this regard is that I believe Jesus and what He says and you don't.

I do not walk back my belief in His Words, I can not and will not deny the Christ just so I can belong to your religious social club.

 

[posthuman]

They didn't condemn the Priests that were doing as God had commanded them, why did they condemn Jesus, their Messiah, for doing the same thing?

i believe you're trying to put your agenda into a place it doesn't belong and won't fit.

He is not saying the priests profane the sabbath by rejecting Him as Messiah or by adding tradition. He says they are blameless for what they do.
He is drawing attention to the fact that priests doing what the Law commands them to do, profane the sabbath in the temple. He says you can read about it in the Law. the demands of the temple supersede the sabbath within the Law: and He is greater still than the temple.

they're accusing His disciples of profaning the sabbath ((verse 2)) - which He does not refute. instead He points out that in the Law, the erstwhile 'disciples' of the Law are required to profane the sabbath, and He is even greater.
He's telling them that their accusations are absurd, and that they should believe: if they understood mercy, they would not have falsely condemned His disciples, which He calls guiltless, just like the priests who in the Law are guiltless though they profane the command not to do work, or to kindle fire and cook.

 

[Studyman]

no,

Or have ye not read in the Law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? ​

(Matthew 12:5) ​

He is talking about the Law.

Yes, the Priesthood.

But Jesus was their Messiah. Why were they condemning the guiltless? If the Priests were given duties on the Sabbath from God, that the rest of the people were not allowed to do, and were blameless, how much more blameless would their own Messiah (Greater than the Temple) be who healed men on this same Sabbath?

 

[Studyman]

i believe you're trying to put your agenda into a place it doesn't belong and won't fit.

He is not saying the priests profane the sabbath by rejecting Him as Messiah or by adding tradition. He says they are blameless for what they do.

Why were they Blameless Post. Did the Levites create their own Priesthood? Did they give themselves the Service of the Priesthood and the duties thereof?

Or did the Holy God of Abraham give them duties "apart" from the Laws of the rest of the people?

He is drawing attention to the fact that priests doing what the Law commands them to do, profane the sabbath in the temple. He says you can read about it in the Law. the demands of the temple supersede the sabbath within the Law: and He is greater still than the temple.

No, you infect the scripture with your own religious tradition and bias against God's Laws. Jesus does no such thing. The Pharisees condemned Jesus for following the same God the Priests followed, only the Pharisees didn't condemn the Priests, yet condemned Jesus and the Disciples. Why did they do this? Because they were following God's Law? But God's Law exposed them as hypocrites for condemning their own Messiah, but not condemning the Levite Priests for doing the same things.

22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

they're accusing His disciples of profaning the sabbath ((verse 2)) - which He does not refute. instead He points out that in the Law, the erstwhile 'disciples' of the Law are required to profane the sabbath, and He is even greater.
He's telling them that their accusations are absurd, and that they should believe: if they understood mercy, they would not have falsely condemned His disciples, which He calls guiltless, just like the priests who in the Law are guiltless though they profane the command not to do work, or to kindle fire and cook.

He does refute. "But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless."

The Levite Priests, like Jesus and His Disciples, were following God's Commandments, not the Mainstream preachers doctrines created from the Commandments of men.

It was never against God's Law to walk in fellowship and eat a strawberry or ear of corn on His Sabbath. It was never against God's Commandment to help a brother in need on the Sabbath.

That is your Law, it was the Pharisees Law, it was never God's Law.

Jesus exposed their wickedness and their hypocrisy.

11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

 

[Jackson123]

In matt 12 Jesus compare what his disciples breaking sabbath law with what David did when he breaking the law by eating shewbread.

Both of them are breaking law, but both of them are not sin.

Behind the law there is a spirit, what is the purpose of that law. Law is make for people to a better life.

David not supposed to eat shewbread, but if he not, it will kill him and his man.

Law is to make them better, he may break the law but not the spirit of law.

Weekly sabbath is only shadow. If you accept Jesus you will have a sabbath not only once a week.

 

[lightbearer]

the priests were doing literal physical activities, not just meditating. their job, as it were.
Jesus calls it 'profaning' or 'desecrating' the sabbath, and says they are guiltless to do so.

They were following the commandments of GOD; Spiritual work. If they were doing other work outside of the Commandments pertaining to the Temple and it's service that is a separate issue and it is not what Jesus was referring to.

 

[lightbearer]

Works of the flesh are what we are to cease from on a certain day called "today" (hear his voice and harden not your heart).

Those verses are referring to us experiencing the Gospel and turning from sin. The ceasing from our work like GOD did from HIS is referring to us ceasing from physical work like GOD did from HIS on the Seventh Day.