How can Believers be in the world, but not of the world?

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How do we present our bodies a Living Sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is our reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be you transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is good, and acceptable, and Perfect, Will of God? (Romans 12:1-2)
 

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We live here for now (the wheat must grow with the weeds until harvest). But we do not do as the world does. We don't sit at the table with drunkards, we don't fashion ourselves to show cleavage, but crack, and yoga pants. We do not practice fowl language, or road rage. Spiritually speaking, we do not look like the world. We are recognised by our love and good deeds.
 
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What i have found is as i submit to Gods will through his Spirit this vessel is alive in Christ to be a vessel of honor, not giving place to the devil that there is no place in me to bring a stronghold...What i have learned also knowing Gods word is key as i have got to know Gods heart and His desires for me how to live to be his willing servant. God as he is a jealous God he wants 1st place in our hearts and lives. To look like our Abba God is to follow after his truths to walk in his ways to be led by his Spirit, then we will not fulfill the works of the flesh. God is Holy and he tells us to be like Jesus as he is our example its through the power of Christ, through his resurrected power we have salvation and all we need to live out this walk as Christ followers. Pressing on finishing the race set before us we are to be salt and light on the earth only whats done for Christ will last. Well for me this is what i have learned 18342796_818630828285428_7607245331674751181_n.jpg to live in the freedom of Christ.....Love in Christ Sherril.
 

GraceAndTruth

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Living in the world and conforming to the world are two different things.

As the saying goes......you can't keep a bird from landing on your head, but you can keep it from building a nest!
 

Blain

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I never really understood this until a couple years ago as I grew closer and closer to God. It is truly a very big difference once you actually feel like an alien or a stranger in this world like you just don't belong and are walking in a realm that you have no choice but to reside in for now even though it is like you are in a place that you honestly shouldn't be in.

Many times I will look at my body and feel like I am trapped in a vessel like this isn't the real me it's not what I really look like or what I really am like. in my physical appearance I am small and weak my body even compared to other humans is weaker due to health from my past and I am by no means a good looking person not to mention even though I an turning 28 this month I still look like a 14 year old. So by all appearance I am weak yet in my heart I feel a fire and the spirit and heart of a lion like the true me is not at all what this vessel I was given to be in this world is.

Often times I will find myself wanting release, to be released from this false vessel that holds me in this foreign land, to finally know what it is like to be where I belong. Over the course of this year alone I find my soul longing for this more and more as if it somehow knows that my time here is short and coming to an end, it is a strange feeling yet somehow it feels true and honestly if it is then all I can do is sing praise because every foreigner longs to be in their homeland after all
 

Locoponydirtman

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The in the world is self explanatory as where else would you live during your mortal life. The second is also easy if you are not of a place the you hold no value in it's stuff, culture, ideas, identity, think of it as being a visitor. I am here for now but likely not long.
 
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“38 Now the just shall live by Faith (Faith in Christ and the Cross [Hab. 2:4]): but if any man draw back (proclaims the fact that such can be done, and refers to Believers transferring their Faith from Christ and the Cross to other things), My soul shall have no pleasure in him. (As should be obvious, God is grieved over the conduct of any person who would do such.)

JSM
 

Alertandawake

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I think the best way to answer this is from both a ideology and practical point of view. If the majority of the people want to believe in teachings and concepts that in no way are sound or logical, have nothing to do with such a concept, treat it as if going in through one side of the ear and out the other. To put another way, wash your hands clean of such nonsense.

And unfortunately today, there is so much craziness it is beyond belief.
 
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I think the best way to answer this is from both a ideology and practical point of view. If the majority of the people want to believe in teachings and concepts that in no way are sound or logical, have nothing to do with such a concept, treat it as if going in through one side of the ear and out the other. To put another way, wash your hands clean of such nonsense.

And unfortunately today, there is so much craziness it is beyond belief.
Remember, the world lives by facts and reasoning. Christians (the Just), we live by faith and truth.
 

Alertandawake

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Remember, the world lives by facts and reasoning.
I disagree with this assessment, and I will explain why:

Firstly, facts deal with truth. A fact is something that is known to be true or proved to be true. How can the world live by facts when there is so much lies and deception and at the same time you have teachings that is a mixture of lies and truth?

Secondly, if the world lives by reasoning, there would be a lot of rational thinking, or to put another way, thinking straight, but we don't see this today, not much of it anyways.

2 Tim 4:3 Describes what the world is today. We see more and more evidence of people not accepting sound doctrine / sound teaching. And depending on the context, "sound" can also mean reasonable, logical, well grounded.
 
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I disagree with this assessment, and I will explain why:

Firstly, facts deal with truth. A fact is something that is known to be true or proved to be true. How can the world live by facts when there is so much lies and deception and at the same time you have teachings that is a mixture of lies and truth?

Secondly, if the world lives by reasoning, there would be a lot of rational thinking, or to put another way, thinking straight, but we don't see this today, not much of it anyways.

2 Tim 4:3 Describes what the world is today. We see more and more evidence of people not accepting sound doctrine / sound teaching. And depending on the context, "sound" can also mean reasonable, logical, well grounded.
The scripture says it like this, "But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong." 1 Corinthians 1:27 NIV
 

Alertandawake

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MessageOfTheCross, you clearly posted that the world today lives by facts and reasoning. Can you explain how you came to this conclusion?

There is too much lies and deception in the world today, on scales that is beyond belief. So how can you have a world that lives by facts and reasoning when the world is to busy being fed with lies and deception that make no sense? It is a contradiction. And you have people believing such lies and deception. So if a person is believing lies and deception, that means a person is believing doctrine that is not sound, and if it is not sound, then what they believing is illogical and irrational.
 
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Out of 603,550 men who were readied for war that came out of Egypt under the power of God (Numbers 1:44-46), only two took their inheritance; Joshua (a type of Christ) and Caleb (a type of the body of Christ) (Matthew 7:14). There is only one message that changes the body of Christ into the image of Christ, and that is Jesus Christ and Him Crucified.

Jesus Christ and Him Crucified alone is the only answer for mankind...not human reasoning!

Most may wonder as to how our Faith in Christ and what He did for us at the Cross can change facts to truth? The answer is simple; it is the Holy Spirit Who makes the difference (Romans 8:2).

If it's done in the flesh, it will consume the person, i.e., "the bush"; however, if it's done by the Power of the Holy Spirit, the bush will burn and not be consumed (Exodus 3:2, Romans 8:2).

This is what the LORD says: "Cursed are those who put their trust in mere humans, who rely on human strength and turn their hearts away from the LORD. Jeremiah 17:5 NLT

Let me repeat this again, this is very important: anything and everything that is not produced and birth by the Holy Spirit is wood, hay, and stubble from the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil. In other words it is the work of the flesh. If it is of the flesh the bush will be consumed. If it is of the Spirit the bush will not be consumed. Exodus 3:2-3

His word is called TRUTH. When you bring in the tradition of man (human knowledge and wisdom), God calls this sin. We now have something in common with the Devil. We have left the Kingdom of God and entered into the Kingdom of darkness. The scripture says that there is a wisdom that comes from God and a wisdom that comes from below; worldliness - the flesh - and demons.

The question is, "How much value do we place on the Offering of Christ?" Do we feel that the Cross is the answer to every question, the solution to every problem, the strength for every weakness, the life for every death, the salvation for every sin, and the health for every sickness? How you as a Believer look at the Cross, is how you value the Cross. This is very, very serious, so we should think about it very carefully.

Jesus Christ is the solution for mankind - there is no other! It takes the Power of God to set the captive free. The Believer Faith must be placed and maintained exclusively in Christ and the Cross to enter into the Lord's rest. Many bypass the Cross for their solutions and Grace is cancelled. These problems we face are too severe to be talked out of anybody. Bondage can be broken only by the Power of God. This is why Jesus had to come from Heaven and die on the Cross in order that the power of sin may be broken. Sin has a power behind it and his name is Satan. If we don't enter into the Lord's rest we die in the wilderness.

I can't fix it - but the Cross can!
I can't change it - but the Cross can!
Release it to the Lord. Faith in the Cross brings Grace.

Narrow is the way. When your facts meet the Truth (Jesus), your facts will turn to Truth. Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.
 
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How do we present our bodies a Living Sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is our reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be you transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is good, and acceptable, and Perfect, Will of God? (Romans 12:1-2)
A Prophetic word unto you.. It is your spirit man whose name is ADAM, who is also BILLIONS of YEARS OLD. This is the MAN that is also made in the EXACT IMAGE of the FATHER, for our CREATOR is SPIRIT and so are we OUTSIDE of these MALE and FEMALE FLESH BODIES, that the FATHER only CREATED to be used in this SECOND EARTH AGE TEST of our FREE WILL that He has sent us here to complete, fulfilling the FATHER Scriptures.. YOSHUA/Joshua 24:13-15 And I have given you a land for which ye did not labour, and cities which ye built not, and ye dwell in them; of the vineyards and oliveyards which ye planted not do ye eat. Now therefore fear the LORD, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the LORD. And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

Our Spirit man whose NAME is ADAM throughout My FATHER'S Holy Scribes/Scriptures, is the ONLY MAN that the FATHER is CONCERNED ABOUT. Our spirit man who is CELESTIAL in NATURE, have you not READ? Fulfilling the FATHER Scriptures. John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
1 Corinthians 15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

It is your SPIRIT MAN ADAM, in whom YAHOSHUA is coming to change us back into our original body, when he comes to us in HIS "GLORY" which means his SPIRIT BODY, fulfilling the FATHER Scriptures.. 1 Corinthians 15:50-52 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.


Understanding the FATHER'S WORDS, and not MAN'S traditions that have made My FATHER'S WORDS of NONE EFFECT, is what YAHOSHUA MEANS by RENEWING YOUR MIND, fulfilling the FATHER Scriptures. Mark 7:6-9 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of the FATHER, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of the FATHER, that ye may keep your own tradition. Mark 7:13-15 Making the word of the FATHER OF NONE EFFECT THROUGH YOUR TRADITION, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye. And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand: There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man. If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.



Shalom
 
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I disagree with this assessment, and I will explain why:

Firstly, facts deal with truth. A fact is something that is known to be true or proved to be true. How can the world live by facts when there is so much lies and deception and at the same time you have teachings that is a mixture of lies and truth?

Secondly, if the world lives by reasoning, there would be a lot of rational thinking, or to put another way, thinking straight, but we don't see this today, not much of it anyways.

2 Tim 4:3 Describes what the world is today. We see more and more evidence of people not accepting sound doctrine / sound teaching. And depending on the context, "sound" can also mean reasonable, logical, well grounded.

THIS IS FACTS... A PROPHETIC WORD UNTO YOU... I AM YAHOSHUA, whose NAME is SHOWING YOU THE NAMES of the THREE WITNESSES that are NEEDED to BEAR RECORD in HEAVEN as well as in EARTH, for even the DEMONS that are WITHIN THIS EARTH'S CRUST knows My NAME and they TREMBLE, saith YAHOSHUA, who is Christ meaning the ANOINTED ONE, unto YOU, who are of the GENTILE NATIONS/NATONALITIES of the WORLD, called MANKIND, and unto the JEWS, that did not RECEIVE ME, when I CAME UNTO THEM, I AM, MESSIAH. But who I AM NOT is JESUS/Yeshua, in whom they had REPLACED MY SAVING NAME WITH, throuhgout My FATHER'S Holy Scribes/Scriptures, when I LEFT YOUR WORLD AGE. Which was also when they DECEIVED this WORLD into WORSHIPING a "GOD" through the Title of GOD, in whom they had "ADDED' to My FATHER'S Scriptures.. Saith YAHOSHUA... I warned you about this... When I told John the PUNISHMENT that I would bring unto them who had done this to you, have you not READ? Fulfilling the FATHER Scriptures.. Revelation 22:18-19
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, the FATHER shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, the FATHER shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.



My “FATHER” who is “YAH” as in YAHOVEH/YAHUVEH, the “WORD” who I AM, “YOSHUA” who is also the son, as well as the “HOLY SPIRIT” which is SIGNIFIED by the “AH” that is also in My FATHER’S NAME which is “YAH” as in YAHOVEH/YAHUVEH. Which is also carrying the “SACRED LETTERS” of My FATHER’S “SACRED NAME” which is “YHVH”, not YHWH. The “YHVH” which is pronounced “YAHVEH”. which is also showing you the “YHVH”, as in Y a H o V e H / Y a H u V e H/
Y a H V e H.

For if My FATHER is BEARING RECORD TO MY NAME... His "WORD" is "GREATER" then MAN'S, and Yes, even yours, have you not READ? Fulfilling the FATHER Scriptures.... 1John 5:7-13 FOR THERE ARE “THREE" WITNESSES THAT BEAR RECORD IN HEAVEN, THE “FATHER", THE “WORD", and THE “HOLY SPIRIT": AND THESE THREE ARE ONE. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the “SPIRIT", and the “WATER" and the “BLOOD": and these THREE all AGREE in “ONE. If we receive the WITNESS of MEN, the “WITNESS" of the FATHER is GREATER: for this is the witness of the FATHER WHICH “HE” HATH “TESTIFIED” of His “SON”. He that believeth on the Son of the FATHER HATH THE “WITNESS” IN “HIMSELF”: he that believeth NOT THE FATHER HATH MADE “HIM”, [meaning the FATHER] A “LIAR"; because he believeth not the RECORD THAT THE FATHER GAVE HIS “SON". AND THIS IS THE “RECORD" THAT THE FATHER HATH GIVEN TO US “ETERNAL LIFE", AND THIS LIFE IS IN HIS “SON”. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of the FATHER hath not life. These things have I written unto you that BELIEVE ON THE “NAME" OF THE “SON" of the FATHER; THAT YE MAY KNOW THAT YE HAVE “ETERNAL LIFE", and that ye may believe on the name of the “SON” of the FATHER.

Shalom