How come women do not cover their heads in Church anymore?

[Therapon]

Religious people have all kinds of mental and emotional disorders just like non-religious people do; however, religious people often spiritualize theirs using scripture.
Thankfully, all you have to do is put on a veil to be at peace. So if it brings you peace, go ahead. Put on the veil.
But understand that when you extrapolate your own condition/conflict to every other Christian woman alive that doesn't suffer from this conflict of yours in not wearing a veil nor accept your interpretation of God's Word in 1 Corinthians 11 (for very good reasons) to judge and bully them, as some in this thread are doing, than you are violating many other scriptures that instruct you to not cause divisions in the church.

Used to wonder why some people on this forum couldn’t understand the Scriptures I was quoting. Not anymore, they apparently don’t want to believe the Bible. It isn’t a mental aberration or a matter of “interpretation,” that leads people to obey God’s Word, it’s just accepting the Bible at face value because we believe in who inspired it. What we now see in the church is a “selective inspiration” view, that if a verse doesn’t take me too far out of my comfort zone, it’s Scripture, but if it does, well, that’s “open to interpretation.”

1. “Let a woman cover her head when praying or prophesying.” So straight out, does that mean you don’t need to? (oh yes, and Greek word for covered in vs.5-6 is “katakalupto” while the Greek word for covering in v.16 is ”parabolion,” A totally different kind of cover.)
2. Or how about, “let a woman remain silent in the church,” what does that mean? Surely not that a bunch of you girls should stand up in church and babble in tongues?
3. How about, “I do not allow a woman to teach or hold authority over a man,” what does that mean? Stand behind the pulpit and preach to men?

Some say, “Oh well, that’s just Paul and he didn’t like women.” I’d laugh my stupid head off if the spiritual blindness in the Church wasn’t so tragic. 2Peter 3:15-16 affirms Paul’s Scripture and tells us how they will be corrupted . . .

“And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.”

But I don’t suppose folks will believe Peter either. <sigh>

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

That is the hermeneutics you've chosen for your understanding Therapon. Other genuine Biblical scholars (who do believe the Bible at face value and believe God inspired it) have come to a different conclusion through their hermeneutics studies. It is your choice to demean everyone that disagrees with you and wield scriptures in such a way as to condemn everyone who arrives at a different conclusion than yourself regarding the topic of women wearing a covering in a Christian assembly to the fiery pit of destruction. I don't respect your choice to do that but I do thank you for sharing your view. Peace.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Also Therapon, the quote mining you are engaging in is fallacious. Please do try to reply to the entirety of the quote in the future. Thank you for your cooperation in this simple matter of integrity. Peace.

 

[Therapon]

That is the hermeneutics you've chosen for your understanding Therapon. Other genuine Biblical scholars (who do believe the Bible at face value and believe God inspired it) have come to a different conclusion through their hermeneutics studies. It is your choice to demean everyone that disagrees with you and wield scriptures in such a way as to condemn everyone who arrives at a different conclusion than yourself regarding the topic of women wearing a covering in a Christian assembly to the fiery pit of destruction. I don't respect your choice to do that but I do thank you for sharing your view. Peace.

Brother, I speak against no one personally and condemn no one, I leave that to the Lord. I just quote Scripture and show how far the doctrines of men sometimes depart from the Bible. If that pinches toes, so be it, I know of no other way to be a true servant of the Lord. I don't care much what any so-called Bible scholar says either, they are Church's Talmud that leads us just as astray as the Jewish Talmud did the Jews of old. I care very much about what God says in His Word. It is sometimes uncomfortable, but not demeaning to speak the truth.

And you are right about this, Peace

 

[Therapon]

Also Therapon, the quote mining you are engaging in is fallacious. Please do try to reply to the entirety of the quote in the future. Thank you for your cooperation in this simple matter of integrity. Peace.

LOL, In what way did I depart from the intent of Scripture?

 

[Therapon]

Also Therapon, the quote mining you are engaging in is fallacious. Please do try to reply to the entirety of the quote in the future. Thank you for your cooperation in this simple matter of integrity. Peace.

I apologize if I in any way departed from the intent of your post. I usually shorten quotes to keep my post less cluttered and to hone in on your central thought. I didn't know I had missed it. Sorry, pease.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

The scriptures you choose reveal intent. The one you highlighted in bold appears to be you calling everyone (including all genuine born again spirit filled saved Bible scholars) that disagree with your conclusion on the matter of women wearing cloths on their head in a church as "unlearned and unstable... unto their own destruction."

That's a bit of a stretch considering that Peter was writing about false teachers that deny Jesus raised from the dead and not saved Bible scholars and saved Christians who boldly proclaim Jesus raised from the dead but whom have a different view than you on the hermeneutics of women's head coverings.

One wonders why anyone would go there.

Brother, I speak against no one personally and condemn no one, I leave that to the Lord. I just quote Scripture and show how far the doctrines of men sometimes depart from the Bible. If that pinches toes, so be it, I know of no other way to be a true servant of the Lord. I don't care much what any so-called Bible scholar says either, they are Church's Talmud that leads us just as astray as the Jewish Talmud did the Jews of old. I care very much about what God says in His Word. It is sometimes uncomfortable, but not demeaning to speak the truth.

And you are right about this, Peace

 

[Therapon]

The scriptures you choose reveal intent. The one you highlighted in bold appears to be you calling everyone (including all genuine born again spirit filled saved Bible scholars) that disagree with your conclusion on the matter of women wearing cloths on their head in a church as "unlearned and unstable... unto their own destruction."

That's a bit of a stretch considering that Peter was writing about false teachers that deny Jesus raised from the dead and not saved Bible scholars and saved Christians who boldly proclaim Jesus raised from the dead but whom have a different view than you on the hermeneutics of women's head coverings. One wonders why anyone would go there.

I was addressing the validity of Paul's epistles, which that verse proves, I had no other agenda.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I forgive you regardless.

I was addressing the validity of Paul's epistles, which that verse proves, I had no other agenda.

 

[Professor]

Hi Therapon,
I just want to throw this out here:
Two nights ago I was praying asking God for direction and He answered me by giving me a scripture verse that spoke directly to me (He has been doing this A LOT lately). I was obedient and God was faithful! God IS faithful! And I have never worn a head covering, yet God is doing AMAZING things in my life!

Used to wonder why some people on this forum couldn’t understand the Scriptures I was quoting. Not anymore, they apparently don’t want to believe the Bible. It isn’t a mental aberration or a matter of “interpretation,” that leads people to obey God’s Word, it’s just accepting the Bible at face value because we believe in who inspired it. What we now see in the church is a “selective inspiration” view, that if a verse doesn’t take me too far out of my comfort zone, it’s Scripture, but if it does, well, that’s “open to interpretation.”

1. “Let a woman cover her head when praying or prophesying.” So straight out, does that mean you don’t need to? (oh yes, and Greek word for covered in vs.5-6 is “katakalupto” while the Greek word for covering in v.16 is ”parabolion,” A totally different kind of cover.)
2. Or how about, “let a woman remain silent in the church,” what does that mean? Surely not that a bunch of you girls should stand up in church and babble in tongues?
3. How about, “I do not allow a woman to teach or hold authority over a man,” what does that mean? Stand behind the pulpit and preach to men?

Some say, “Oh well, that’s just Paul and he didn’t like women.” I’d laugh my stupid head off if the spiritual blindness in the Church wasn’t so tragic. 2Peter 3:15-16 affirms Paul’s Scripture and tells us how they will be corrupted . . .

“And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.”

But I don’t suppose folks will believe Peter either. <sigh>

 

[savedNblessed]

I am sorry, but i do not believe I am in disobedience to my Lord. With respect, we will have to disagree on this one. There are just as many learned scholars who write in support of it not being necessary...and i am not going to get involved in a'scripture war' to try and 'prove' my stance. Its a fact we can get the scriptures to say what we want them to say, just take a scroll through all the fascinating posts on CC and it is very obvious we as Christians are united in many things and divided on others I think its wonderful it is what you choose to do, but please do not judge me as lacking in my faith because I choose not too. <><

Well with all respect, if you consider me your sister in Christ, you will not call this disagreement as "judging" you. The verse has been already mentioned 1 Corinthians 5:12 in the above post, that we can only correct people that we consider our own, because outsiders can't be corrected with the same measure. All these comments that people took out their precious time and posted, including you, have made me very joyful. That people actually cared enough to glance over my thread and commented.

Whenever someone points out something wrong I'm doing, I don't consider that as judging me because I know as they are my brother or sister in Christ, they will be able to see my flaws or shortcomings more than me. I call it rebuking or correcting me. And I get very happy when people do it because to me, to tell someone you are disobeying God with Biblical support, is the best expression of love according to me But again, that's just my thinking. Just like you I am also growing constantly in my faith and fighting the good fight daily to be more Christ-like.


I was led to start this thread here because since past few months, I have not been regular about covering my head in church, because of those people "staring at" me. That made me feel convicted for it and made me realize that I was being disobedient to God. I saw the consequences of that in my life such as I lost my job, the intimacy I had in my relationship with Christ was almost to none. It's like something inside me was telling me that I am doing something wrong (probably just like your conviction about gluttony). So, in conclusion I turned around, I repented and humbled myself before God.

My intention was NOT to "judge" it was to make people aware about this important topic mentioned in New Testament. Since then few ladies have messaged me saying that they were unsure about this as well but now they will pray about it and ask God's guidance regarding covering their heads. Maybe if you felt "judged" it's the Holy Spirit nudging you just, maybe!
I am a servant of God. My job is to sow(spread the gospel of Jesus Christ in it's entirety) and God is the one that grows(afflicts/corrects/matures). Stay blessed my sister in Christ.

P.S. I got called from the Head of HR today and I'm getting my job back. Praise the LORD, HALLELU-YAH!!!! We do wroship a truly AWESOME LIVING GOD!!!

 

[savedNblessed]

Hi Therapon,
I just want to throw this out here:
Two nights ago I was praying asking God for direction and He answered me by giving me a scripture verse that spoke directly to me (He has been doing this A LOT lately). I was obedient and God was faithful! God IS faithful! And I have never worn a head covering, yet God is doing AMAZING things in my life!

"And Moses and Aaron went in unto Pharaoh, and they did so as the Lord had commanded: and Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh, and before his servants, and it became a serpent. Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments." - Exodus 7:10-11

 

[MidniteWelder]

ooops tried posting and didnt work

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

FYI for discussion: The Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood 'Gender Roles and the Glory of God.'

https://www.cbmw.org/gender-roles-and-the-glory-of-god/

 

[MidniteWelder]

I agree with your statement...
And many people I have found are incorrect in their interpretation of this particular scripture.
As I just posted in another forum
God lays out a lot of things for us,,,and the why part(the reasons behind something) are revealed to those who have ears to listen to him as opposed to asserting their own assumptions and guesses.
This is why I havent given the answer to this question
Because if I did, people wouldnt learn nuthin

God gave us our brain because he wants us to use it
But with proper discernment

Barnes noted that there is scarcely any passage in the Scriptures which has more exercised the ingenuity of commentators than this verse (e.g. 1 Corinthians 11:10). The various attempts which have been made to explain it may be seen in Pool, Rosenmuller, Bloomfield, etc... Clarke concurred.

Now this is just the type of rare verse that some CCrs love because it allows them to project most anything onto it despite prudence dictating otherwise.

 

[Professor]

I don't know what you are trying to tell me sister, but if you are suggesting what I think you might be, I caution you. God has been UTTERLY AMAZING AND FAITHFUL TO ME BECAUSE OF MY OBEDIENCE TO HIM! Please be clear what you are trying to tell me.

"And Moses and Aaron went in unto Pharaoh, and they did so as the Lord had commanded: and Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh, and before his servants, and it became a serpent. Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments." - Exodus 7:10-11

 

[savedNblessed]

I don't know what you are trying to tell me sister, but if you are suggesting what I think you might be, I caution you. God has been UTTERLY AMAZING AND FAITHFUL TO ME BECAUSE OF MY OBEDIENCE TO HIM! Please be clear what you are trying to tell me.

I was just trying to convey the message that's in those verses and I believe the message was conveyed

 

[Professor]

I just sent you a PM. You know exactly where I am coming from. Make it clear what you mean by that verse. If you are suggesting that what is from God is not from God, then you are in grave danger.

I was just trying to convey the message that's in those verses and I believe the message was conveyed

 

[savedNblessed]

I just sent you a PM. You know exactly where I am coming from. Make it clear what you mean by that verse. If you are suggesting that what is from God is not from God, then you are in grave danger.

I FEAR LORD ALONE, MY SISTER. LORD ALONE!!

 

[Bea22]

Why are you two fighting like this? ^ Let it go, walk away, pray for the other person.