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Good question!

We are to grow in the knowledge and grace of our Lord Jesus Christ. Learn all you can about Jesus in light of what happened to us when we died and rose with Him. We are alive to God now. Knowing what Jesus did for us and the grace that comes with Him will definitely keep sin from having dominion over us.

In the meantime....think about this....

The legalistic mindset says " Stop sinning and we will not condemn you".

The grace-based mindset says " There is now no condemnation to those in Christ Jesus." ( this is where grace believers get accused of being licentious )

Jesus says " I do not condemn you, now go and sin no more. " This acceptance grace of no condemnation gives life to us so that we do not have to continue in sin.


When a baby is trying to walk we don't jump on them for their failure to walk. When they grow up they will walk!



So if someone is still struggling with some besetting sin, Even though they trust God, they are not following truth and grace?

How else can one take it, I am asking sincerely.
 
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The Corinthian church had dissensions and back-biting..devouring one another along with sexual sins. They were carnal and not able to partake of meat because they were babes...inexperienced in the word of righteousness. This is why he said to them first before dealing with sin, that they are righteousness , sanctification, wisdom, redemption. He told them who they were in Christ first before dealing with any behavior issues.

The meat is understanding the "word of righteousness":

Hebrews 5:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant.
You keep springing leaks that expose the error of your doctrine. It doesn't say that they (we) are righteousness, sanctification, wisdom, redemption. It says Christ is. You are not Christ focused; you are 'you' focused. You think you are righteous.

But from him you are in Christ Jesus, who became wisdom to us from God, and righteousness and sanctification and redemption, 1 Corinthians 1:30
 
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Matthew 4:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] From that time Jesus began to preach and say, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."

At hand = "to come near" Thayer's word dictionary ..
When Jesus was saying..it's coming ..the kingdom is close..it's coming!

Luke 17:20-21 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
[SUP]21 [/SUP] Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
When the kingdom comes it will be in you ...

New Testament truth now!

Romans 14:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

All those things we have in us now because of Jesus!

It's glorious!!!







That's your opinion, and a not very informed one. Jesus said the kingdom was in their midst, not some future time.
 
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Matthew 4:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] From that time Jesus began to preach and say, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."

At hand = "to come near" Thayer's word dictionary ..
When Jesus was saying..it's coming ..the kingdom is close..it's coming!

Luke 17:20-21 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
[SUP]21 [/SUP] Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
When the kingdom comes it will be in you ...

New Testament truth now!

Romans 14:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

All those things we have in us now because of Jesus!

It's glorious!!!
Not only was the kingdom existing while Christ was alive, it came in power when he was transfigured on the mount.

And he said to them, “Truly I say to you, that there are some of those standing here who will never experience death until they see the kingdom of God having come with power.” Mark 9:1
 
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This conversation started when crossnote responded to a post in which I wrote that people were healed of pornography addiction and smoking through following the truth of grace. Crossnote then criticised the post and in a following post stated not all of the faithful are healed. I then asked hjim, if he believed ALL the faithful who follow the truth of the Gospel will be healed of pornography addiction and smoking if they desire to be. Despite my repeated requests for an answer he never gave one. As you are responding to posts in that conversation may I ask you the same question.
Do you believe healing of pornographic addiction and smoking are available for ALL of the faithful if they follow the true message of Grace?

1. I have been a christian since I was 9 years old
2. I wanted to follow christ in all ways from that time forward.
3. Until 8 months ago. I was addictred to cigarettes. I could not stop. I tried the trust God stuff. I tried the faith atuff, I tried this pill and that pill. nothing worked. I was told many times in my early days I did not trust God or I could quite and never think about it.

so tell me. I Started smoking when I went to bootcamp (both my parents were smokers as were my grand parents, in fact most the people I knew smoked. so I was an easy target, even being Gods child) and smoked as a christian for 32 years. Where did I fail?

I know what crossnote said and what he believes, I actually agree with him.

People have bessetting sin, They are wonderfully blessed and walk with God in mary areas of their lives. But they struggle with this ONE sin issue (actually we all struggle with more than one sin, but you get the point) so where did we go wrong? Did we lack faith??


was I never a christian because I started smoking and could not stop or what?
 
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maybe the wording is throwing you off...how about Christ is our righteousness?..either way..it's His ..He is in us and we are in Him...He gave it to us..


I definitely believe in impute! Impute definition; represent as being done, caused, or possessed by someone; attribute

We thank God for His righteousness!!!

I guess we will need reword this scripture then...and take our "of God"

2 Corinthians 5:21 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

It's the very grace of God that makes us righteous because we believe in Christ//as I say you can think you are evil..it's your choice. I'd rather believe



The bible nowhere says that we are the righteousness of GOD. It says that Christ is our righteousness, and that Christ paid for our sins that we may become the righteousness of GOD. Until then we live through the faith that GOD in his grace passes over the judgment due us through the imputed righteousness of Christ.

You don't believe in imputed righteousness. You believe you have been made righteous. If you were righteous, you wouldn't need GOD's grace. You think grace was a one-time deal that made you perfect, and now all you have to do is believe it; and you call that grace. That is no different than the mental sleight-of-hand that sinless perfectionists use to deceive themselves.
 
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Good question!

We are to grow in the knowledge and grace of our Lord Jesus Christ. Learn all you can about Jesus in light of what happened to us when we died and rose with Him. We are alive to God now. Knowing what Jesus did for us and the grace that comes with Him will definitely keep sin from having dominion over us.

In the meantime....think about this....

The legalistic mindset says " Stop sinning and we will not condemn you".

The grace-based mindset says " There is now no condemnation to those in Christ Jesus." ( this is where grace believers get accused of being licentious )

Jesus says " I do not condemn you, now go and sin no more. " This acceptance grace of no condemnation gives life to us so that we do not have to continue in sin.


When a baby is trying to walk we don't jump on them for their failure to walk. When they grow up they will walk!
agree with most of this, except I will say one thing

even a baby when he grows up struggles with things, They are not perfect We all have our weeknesses.

Maybe our weekness is pride, or self centerdness, or anger, and we do not affect to many people. Sadly, our weekness may be smoking, drugs, or porn.. Who is more worthy of Gods love, better yet, who is more deserving of Gods anger..

If we are honest, we better say we are all in the same boat.
 
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maybe the wording is throwing you off...how about Christ is our righteousness?..either way..it's His ..He is in us and we are in Him...He gave it to us..


I definitely believe in impute! Impute definition; represent as being done, caused, or possessed by someone; attribute

We thank God for His righteousness!!!

I guess we will need reword this scripture then...and take our "of God"

2 Corinthians 5:21 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

It's the very grace of God that makes us righteous because we believe in Christ//as I say you can think you are evil..it's your choice. I'd rather believe
Righteous people (not that there are any except Christ) don't need grace. Justified sinners need grace.
 
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ok..one more time...

We are in Christ..we are one with Him ( no..I am not Christ Himself we are all distinct yet joined together as one in a mystery )

He is our everything!! Saying what God say about us is being Christ-focused/centered

Maybe I have a bad bible...
1 Corinthians 1:30 (NASB)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,

He is our wisdom, He is our righteousness..etc.

We have Him ...you know the drill!

Again we have been created in righteousness and holiness in our inner man..

Ephesians 4:23-24 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] and that you be renewed in the spirit of your mind,
[SUP]24 [/SUP] and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth.



You keep springing leaks that expose the error of your doctrine. It doesn't say that they (we) are righteousness, sanctification, wisdom, redemption. It says Christ is. You are not Christ focused; you are 'you' focused. You think you are righteous.
But from him you are in Christ Jesus, who became wisdom to us from God, and righteousness and sanctification and redemption, 1 Corinthians 1:30
 
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1. I have been a christian since I was 9 years old
2. I wanted to follow christ in all ways from that time forward.
3. Until 8 months ago. I was addictred to cigarettes. I could not stop. I tried the trust God stuff. I tried the faith atuff, I tried this pill and that pill. nothing worked. I was told many times in my early days I did not trust God or I could quite and never think about it.

so tell me. I Started smoking when I went to bootcamp (both my parents were smokers as were my grand parents, in fact most the people I knew smoked. so I was an easy target, even being Gods child) and smoked as a christian for 32 years. Where did I fail?

I know what crossnote said and what he believes, I actually agree with him.

People have bessetting sin, They are wonderfully blessed and walk with God in mary areas of their lives. But they struggle with this ONE sin issue (actually we all struggle with more than one sin, but you get the point) so where did we go wrong? Did we lack faith??


was I never a christian because I started smoking and could not stop or what?
I have never said anyone who smokes cannot be a Christian, nor have I remotely hinted at it.

I simply asked you if you believed healing of pornographic addiction and smoking was available for ALL who follow the true message of the Gospel. I don't think you have answered the question, as Crossnote didn't either.
 
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My brother..smoking is nothing. My goodness we constantly are doing things to our bodies. Don't live in the condemnation of that.

Joseph Prince tells many stories sent in to the ministry about people trying to quit smoking but just couldn't..(of course the performance-based Christianity condemns you for it )

They started saying that they are new creations in Christ..that they have the righteousness of Christ in them..all the while they were lighting up..some eventually just had their craving and desire for cigs stop...other woke up one day completely devoid of it's power over them.

In essence they started declaring over their lives what God say about them..then they became in outward behavior who they were...remember as we behold Jesus..we see ourselves and are changed..

2 Corinthians 3:17-18 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

It's the life of the Spirit in us that changes us as we look at Jesus!








1. I have been a christian since I was 9 years old
2. I wanted to follow christ in all ways from that time forward.
3. Until 8 months ago. I was addictred to cigarettes. I could not stop. I tried the trust God stuff. I tried the faith atuff, I tried this pill and that pill. nothing worked. I was told many times in my early days I did not trust God or I could quite and never think about it.

so tell me. I Started smoking when I went to bootcamp (both my parents were smokers as were my grand parents, in fact most the people I knew smoked. so I was an easy target, even being Gods child) and smoked as a christian for 32 years. Where did I fail?

I know what crossnote said and what he believes, I actually agree with him.

People have bessetting sin, They are wonderfully blessed and walk with God in mary areas of their lives. But they struggle with this ONE sin issue (actually we all struggle with more than one sin, but you get the point) so where did we go wrong? Did we lack faith??


was I never a christian because I started smoking and could not stop or what?
 
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My brother..smoking is nothing. My goodness we constantly are doing things to our bodies. Don't live in the condemnation of that.

Joseph Prince tells many stories sent in to the ministry about people trying to quit smoking but just couldn't..(of course the performance-based Christianity condemns you for it )

They started saying that they are new creations in Christ..that they have the righteousness of Christ in them..all the while they were lighting up..some eventually just had their craving and desire for cigs stop...other woke up one day completely devoid of it's power over them.

In essence they started declaring over their lives what God say about them..then they became in outward behavior who they were...remember as we behold Jesus..we see ourselves and are changed..

2 Corinthians 3:17-18 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

It's the life of the Spirit in us that changes us as we look at Jesus!
I don't know if you are cessationist or not. But my view is, the greater power is available to those who are not cessationist, for the Holy Spirit is God's power on this earth, and He does the healing
 
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yes..we truly are all in the same boat.

It is never about what we do..our life and righteousness is in Him..and we are safe in Him He will never leave us or forsake us!

It's the religious mindset that condemns people. here is how that works...they don't have a problem with smoking..so they condemn someone who does..it creates their own righteousness in their minds.

The religious mindset has behind it a grace-hating spirit that drives it! Just watch Jesus heal on a sabboth day and watch the Pharisees go nuts on Him!

true my brother..the baby even when he grows up can still fall down. The legalistic-mindset jumps on those people and tears them apart. We attach ourselves in the Body of Christ when we should be there to give grace and love to us when we fail.

It's dis-graceful how we treat our wounded!

Don't for a second give in to the religious condemnation!!!!


agree with most of this, except I will say one thing

even a baby when he grows up struggles with things, They are not perfect We all have our weeknesses.

Maybe our weekness is pride, or self centerdness, or anger, and we do not affect to many people. Sadly, our weekness may be smoking, drugs, or porn.. Who is more worthy of Gods love, better yet, who is more deserving of Gods anger..

If we are honest, we better say we are all in the same boat.
 
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I'm not sure what you mean by cessationist?..I believe it is the Holy Spirit that is here on this earth now doing the work and He was doing the work in Jesus too when he was on the earth...(altho in a mystery..Jesus is in us and the Father too...)

I don't know if you are cessationist or not. But my view is, the greater power is available to those who are not cessationist, for the Holy Spirit is God's power on this earth, and He does the healing
 
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Great commentary on the question of confession of sin..




Our born-again spirits are already eternally redeemed (Heb. 9:12). The other two-thirds, your soul and body, have also been purchased by His blood, but their redemption has not yet taken place. However, God has made provision for this as well.

Romans 8:23 reads,
“And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.”
Ephesians 1:14 says,
“Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.”
When redemption is complete in spirit, soul, and body, we will know Him as we are known (1 Cor. 13:12). But until then, we can experience a renewed mind through His Word. And although we are waiting for the redemption of our bodies, we can receive healing while we live in our mortal bodies. God has made provision for both the soul and the body even though their redemption has not yet been made manifest.
Unfortunately, most Christians are not taking advantage of these provisions. They have not renewed their minds, and they still don’t understand that we are also redeemed from the curse of the Law (Gal. 3:13). The average New Testament believer is still trying to get God to respond to them based on their performance. Why? Because they don’t know that the performance covenant of the Old Testament Law is over. We are now under the New Testament ministry of grace and faith (2 Cor. 3:7-8).
The Law was given to convict people of their self-righteousness so they could see their need for a savior. Praise God, we are now no longer under the Law. First Timothy 1:9 says that the Law is not made for a righteous man. And who is righteous? Any person who is born again (2 Cor. 5:21).
Hebrews 7:12 and 18 says,
“For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.”
What a radical statement! A disannulling! The word disannulling literally means cancellation, to make null and void. The Old Testament Law has been nullified, canceled, done away with. The Law was weak and unprofitable. It was only a stop-gap measure until Jesus (Gal. 3:23-25).
Ephesians 1:3-5 says,
[He] hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings…hath chosen us…Having predestined us unto the adoption of children” (brackets and emphasis mine).
In the Greek, “hath” is an aortas tense, which means it is a done deal—it’s an accomplished fact. So how blessed is all spiritual blessings? Verse 6 says that we have been accepted in the beloved. Really, that is a super understatement. The Greek word that is used for “accepted” is only used twice in the New Testament. The other place is in Luke 1 where the the Angel Gabriel appeared unto Mary.
Gabriel said, “Hail thou that are highly favoured, the Lord is with thee” (verse 28).
The Greek word for “highly favoured” is the only other time that this word was used. When it says that we are accepted in the beloved, it is saying He has made us highly favored. Mary hasn’t got anything on a born-again believer. Every one of us is accepted, chosen, and highly favored. It’s all part of redemption.
Understanding redemption, the complete forgiveness of your sins, is foundational to understanding the New Covenant and how God deals with you today. If you’re born again and still asking questions like these: “Can I lose my salvation?” “If I die with unconfessed sin, will I go to heaven?” or “Does God answer the prayers of someone who still sins?” then you do not understand redemption.
Redemption is very practical, and your understanding of it will determine what you are able to receive from God, not just in eternity, but here and now.



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As I know you are not a cessationist I can tell you as the subject of smoking came up. As a teenager I would often be seen smoking after the church service by some of the church stalwarts. By the looks I received from them I figured God would cast me into hell for smoking alone, let alone my other imperfections. So many times I went forward to receive the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and never received. I guessed I just wasn't good enough to receive.
A few years later when grace discovered me, I was baptised in the Holy Spirit, and this was confirmed as genuine by an Evangelist. And yet I still smoked at the time.
I learnt a very important lesson that day. God does not lay the demands on his children that some of their brothers and sisters do
 
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I'm not sure what you mean by cessationist?..I believe it is the Holy Spirit that is here on this earth now doing the work and He was doing the work in Jesus too when he was on the earth...(altho in a mystery..Jesus is in us and the Father too...)
Do you believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit for today as mainly mentioned in Acts and 1Corinthians?
Do you believe speaking in tongues is valid for today for example? If you don't you are a cessationist
 
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Ahhh..gotcha!

I most certainly do believe in the gifts of the Spirit are for today. I pray in tongues constantly..sing in tongues

What a wonderful "grace" gift that is! What a blessing!

Do you believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit for today as mainly mentioned in Acts and 1Corinthians?
Do you believe speaking in tongues is valid for today for example? If you don't you are a cessationist
 
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As Jesus came out of the waters of baptism, the heavens parted, the Holy Spirit descended upon Him and the Father said to Him, “You are My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” Then, going into the wilderness in the power of knowing that He was the Father’s beloved, our Lord Jesus overcame every one of the devil’s temptations.

My friend, when you know that you are the Father’s beloved because you are in Christ the Beloved, you will have the power to overcome every challenge the devil throws at you. You are probably familiar with the story of David and Goliath, but did you know that David’s name means “beloved”? It takes one who knows that he is God’s beloved to bring down the giants in life!

So whether your giant is a financial crisis, chronic illness or destructive addiction, rest in the knowledge that you are God’s beloved. It will strengthen and sustain you, and give you the faith, favor and wisdom to knock your giants down!
 
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Ahhh..gotcha!

I most certainly do believe in the gifts of the Spirit are for today. I pray in tongues constantly..sing in tongues

What a wonderful "grace" gift that is! What a blessing!
Neither you, Lynn or I are cessationist, so we have that in common, and also much of our beliefs on grace. I wonder if there is a connection
In saying the above I know many who are not cessationist who would disagree with the three of us concerning grace.
 
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Yes.. we were sinners before we received Christ..Christ died for us..we believe in what He has done! Wonderful

We are not sinners anymore! We are now called saints! Thank God..we are a new creation in Him!

If we are still sinners..I'm going to have to change so much in my bible...

"To the sinners at Ephesus, Rome, Galatia, Colossae, Corinth...etc.

then I will need to change this scripture..

Romans 8:27 (KJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

Now we are here too...

Romans 15:25 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints.


Ok..this goes on and on..it is way too much work!

Let's declare what God say about us! That is honoring to the Lord. those that deny who they are in Christ because of what He has done for us in His finished work are the ones that are "denying their Lord"

Let's "be" who God says we are and obtain the life that He has given us!

It is truly a wonderful salvation we have in Him!



Righteous people (not that there are any except Christ) don't need grace. Justified sinners need grace.