Hyper grace

royalscot · Dec 17, 2015

strange, some claim to be with the holy spirit , yet miss, every book of the new testament was given to jewish person, that believes in jesus christ. yet cant define who was sent to the jewish people, and who was sent to gentiles.

when the temple was still there, (the rest -2)
what it meant when the temple was removed. (only two books were wrote after the temple was removed, ) if i remember correct.

yet what way, can be followed, without a temple of stone. ie you can define sin from the law, given to moses, but cant get forgiveness from the law ,without a temple of stone being there.

the gist, of one ,of the teachers (of the new testament,) with this law, was, broke one command you broke, all the
commands.

ie if you want to bring, acts 2 v acts 10. (then know your history.)

so why are you not finding out about spiritual gifts, paul spoke much about this point. etc
so looking at law are prove here

Justified by Faith
15 We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners;16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.Galatians 2

18 For if I rebuild what I tore down,(i paul) I prove myself to be a transgressor. ie (forgetting, grace is a gift and return to law for justification. to being saved by god).

james57 · Dec 17, 2015

BenFTW said:

The ironic thing is, by many I am told I believe in a licence for sin as I believe Jesus died for all our sins at Calvary, but then I also get attacked from the other end of the spectrum too!

The christian I a work in progress their whole life. As long as they are following after the holy spirit in the truth of the gospel message they should not be burdened by sin. If they in their heart are looking to their saviour and following after the holy spirit everything I dandy. Don't let yourself ve dragged into condemnation for the fact you are not perfect.
But really Ben, it is a fact Tha sometimes christians turn away from following after the holy spirit and looking to Christ and wilfully seek to serve the flesh then they are going against the law placed on their heart and it was placed their for a reason. It is when the christian looks away from Christ and seek sz to wilfully serve the flesh they are sin conscious and should be.
If you want to say u an then legalistic and preaching a false gospel fine, I disagree with you.
When Paul found out a man was sleeping with his fathers wife in the Corinthian church he didn't take the view kets not mention sin or sin conscious did he.
In my view you cab take grace to an unacceptable place.
If we can wilfully sin and bot be sjn conscious when we do so, we are then antinomian aren't we?

Do you believe the man who slept with his fathers wife should have been sin conscious or not?

royalscot · Dec 17, 2015

know when a gentile was save v how a jewish person was save might help in truth. act 15. what part of the law was given to the gentile.

eternally-gratefull · Dec 17, 2015

james57 said:

You can not say people excuse one sin, but does not excuse another, That is not being honest. Pharisees justified divorce and adultery, They justified lust, they justified all kinds of sin. That was the Pharisee way.

God never told Israel to kill gentiles or kill anyone who does not agree with them, The Pharisee made this rule up themselves. It is called a false religion, It is done so you can tell God. Look at me God, See what I am willing to do for you. I am not like the sinner.. thank you God..

Jesus called out the Pharisees for their sin in all kinds of ways, how they justified their sin, Saul was one of them, so he accused saul of those things also.

Saul went from being a very wealthy man, A man who was high in not only roman culture but as a Pharisee, a man of power in his own jewish society, He had power, prestige and money, all things any man would desire as a Pharisee, (in fact, the truth is paul had no reason to covet any mans things, He had everything he would ever want, and if he did not have it, he could certainly get it.)

to a man who gave up everything, Had to work to earn his money, and was considered by his nation and the romans of being nothing. Had a thorn in the flesh given by God. and many other things he lost.

I personally can see Paul getting jealous of people. missing what he had, Satan could use this against him, His own flesh could cause him to question things (especially in the beginning of his Christian walk) and if he tried to appose these temptations by the law (the flesh) he would have realized real quick he was in trouble.

Sometimes you just have to think things through, and they make total sense.

james57 · Dec 17, 2015

eternally-gratefull said:

You can not say people excuse one sin, but does not excuse another, That is not being honest. Pharisees justified divorce and adultery, They justified lust, they justified all kinds of sin. That was the Pharisee way.

God never told Israel to kill gentiles or kill anyone who does not agree with them, The Pharisee made this rule up themselves. It is called a false religion, It is done so you can tell God. Look at me God, See what I am willing to do for you. I am not like the sinner.. thank you God..

Jesus called out the Pharisees for their sin in all kinds of ways, how they justified their sin, Saul was one of them, so he accused saul of those things also.

Saul went from being a very wealthy man, A man who was high in not only roman culture but as a Pharisee, a man of power in his own jewish society, He had power, prestige and money, all things any man would desire as a Pharisee, (in fact, the truth is paul had no reason to covet any mans things, He had everything he would ever want, and if he did not have it, he could certainly get it.)

to a man who gave up everything, Had to work to earn his money, and was considered by his nation and the romans of being nothing. Had a thorn in the flesh given by God. and many other things he lost.

I personally can see Paul getting jealous of people. missing what he had, Satan could use this against him, His own flesh could cause him to question things (especially in the beginning of his Christian walk) and if he tried to appose these temptations by the law (the flesh) he would have realized real quick he was in trouble.

Sometimes you just have to think things through, and they make total sense.

As I said previously, it is not possible for you to see the truth of this

What you mean is.
Think things through then you will see it as I do, the correct way.
I am sure nany religious people of all persuasions have excused murder to defend their fath but not lust
However as I know you will never admit you are wrong and just keep going and going until you have the last word, you can have it now

royalscot · Dec 17, 2015

how many people could read and write around this time , who would be of value to god, to explain meaning of and old covenant and a new covenant , that mite explain why paul never got struck by lightning. etc

eternally-gratefull · Dec 17, 2015

james57 said:

The same thing can be said of you. That's why you get treated the way you do. You think your right, and it does not matter what anyone says, Your right, and we are wrong, and we are blind or whatever name you want to call us..

If you do not want to discuss the word. why are you here?

They excused adultery, so why not excuse lust? Or have you not even read when Jesus gave the sermon on the mount, Who do you think he was speaking against when he spoke of adultery and lust? He was speaking of the Pharisees, Saul was a Pharisee was he not? They excused their lust.. and said it was not sin.

What did paul have to covet? Can you answer, Paul had everything he could ever want, why did you ignore that part? You have not even proven what reason paul would have to just before he was converted and lost everything.

I do not need to have the last word. and you have not shown me were I am wrong, You can disagree with me, But you do not do that..

I do not even care if you admit your wrong, That has no bearing on me, and does not affect me, I just would like you to show some humility and stop puffing yourself up as so knowledgeable and belittling everyone who does not agree with you.

We can not even agree to disagree, because you can do nothing but attack. Then yell at people for attacking you.. That is hypocrisy my friend..

james57 · Dec 17, 2015

eternally-gratefull said:

Let ne just be honest. I don't take your posts seriously. I don't believe you can move beyond the basics of grace. There are five people on this website I learn from, you are not one of them

As for your personal complaints against me. I put you on ignore in the first place for often lying and distorting what i had written. And you refused to apologise when you could not produce posts of mine to prove you were not lying

james57 · Dec 17, 2015

eternally-gratefull said:

The same thing can be said of you. That's why you get treated the way you do. You think your right, and it does not matter what anyone says, Your right, and we are wrong, and we are blind or whatever name you want to call us..

If you do not want to discuss the word. why are you here?

They excused adultery, so why not excuse lust? Or have you not even read when Jesus gave the sermon on the mount, Who do you think he was speaking against when he spoke of adultery and lust? He was speaking of the Pharisees, Saul was a Pharisee was he not? They excused their lust.. and said it was not sin.

What did paul have to covet? Can you answer, Paul had everything he could ever want, why did you ignore that part? You have not even proven what reason paul would have to just before he was converted and lost everything.

I do not need to have the last word. and you have not shown me were I am wrong, You can disagree with me, But you do not do that..

I do not even care if you admit your wrong, That has no bearing on me, and does not affect me, I just would like you to show some humility and stop puffing yourself up as so knowledgeable and belittling everyone who does not agree with you.

We can not even agree to disagree, because you can do nothing but attack. Then yell at people for attacking you.. That is hypocrisy my friend..

You ask why Paul had to covet, he had everything he ever wanted, can I answer that part"

Are you serious?

What do you think coveting entails, simply material goods?

I know you wont listen to me. I suggest you ask a friend on this website what covering entails, then you will know and not ask such questions in future

Euphemia · Dec 17, 2015

james57 said:

Who in their right mind mow argues for the belief that somehow Paul struggled with covetousness? What evil talk is this? Do you actually believe that this speech honours God?

Let me ask you: ARE YOU SERIOUS??

Give your head a shake, man.

james57 · Dec 17, 2015

Euphemia said:

Paul argued it in rom 7:7-11

Blame him not me

But I know hecwasspeaking of when he was a Pharisee, not a christian

eternally-gratefull · Dec 17, 2015

james57 said:

when you appologize to the many people in the last few weeks you have done the very thing you just said I have done to you. maybe you will have the right to make accusations.

Just like you did to ladylynn the other day, You keep blaming people for doing things they do not do. Or not doing things they do. All you do is prove your true self..

No one can teach you. Your unteachable. You prove that when you belittle EVERYONE who does not agree with you. Like you have done to person after person after person just in the last week.

james57 · Dec 17, 2015

eternally-gratefull said:

when you appologize to the many people in the last few weeks you have done the very thing you just said I have done to you. maybe you will have the right to make accusations.

Just like you did to ladylynn the other day, You keep blaming people for doing things they do not do. Or not doing things they do. All you do is prove your true self..

No one can teach you. Your unteachable. You prove that when you belittle EVERYONE who does not agree with you. Like you have done to person after person after person just in the last week.

Eternally grateful, please do not criticise me.
You are not in a position to

james57 · Dec 17, 2015

eternally-gratefull said:

You are joking about being unteachable. Point me to one debate you have been involved in where you have changed your view, allowed yourself to be taught by another

eternally-gratefull · Dec 17, 2015

james57 said:

So you can't answer.

Well of course you cant, because all you can do is assume, The bible does not say paul was a covetor in his previous life, that's only an assumption.

Again, When did paul have more of a reason to covet, Before conversion when he had everything, or after conversion when he lost everything. And he had satan attack him like never before? (maybe you have never had an all out attack by satan when you take a step of faith/ I do not know. I have been, and I know the strength you need to fight the lies Satan tells you. if not for God, I would have been gone..

Why do you think paul said, I DO NOT WANT TO DO. You still can not answer the present tense verbs paul used.

The thing is You can not prove by your argument you are right, all you can do is project that you believe the way you do for that reason.

You do not make biblical proofs on what MIGHT HAPPEN, you make it on WHAT DID HAPPEN (things you can prove)

Could paul have coveted as a Pharisee? Yes, it is possible.

Could he covet as a new believer in Christ? Yes it is possible

neither argument would hold any power. because it could go either way. even if it is more logical for one view to be right then the other, you still can not prove your point, and to continue to use it to prove your point is meaningless.

Which is why you must resort to name calling.. Because its what your left with.

That is all you had to admit, That you might be wrong, Yes paul could covet after conversion also. and the argument would have been over. But no. You know it all. No one can teach you anything.

james57 · Dec 17, 2015

eternally-gratefull said:

So you can't answer.

Well of course you cant, because all you can do is assume, The bible does not say paul was a covetor in his previous life, that's only an assumption.

Again, When did paul have more of a reason to covet, Before conversion when he had everything, or after conversion when he lost everything. And he had satan attack him like never before? (maybe you have never had an all out attack by satan when you take a step of faith/ I do not know. I have been, and I know the strength you need to fight the lies Satan tells you. if not for God, I would have been gone..

Why do you think paul said, I DO NOT WANT TO DO. You still can not answer the present tense verbs paul used.

The thing is You can not prove by your argument you are right, all you can do is project that you believe the way you do for that reason.

You do not make biblical proofs on what MIGHT HAPPEN, you make it on WHAT DID HAPPEN (things you can prove)

Could paul have coveted as a Pharisee? Yes, it is possible.

Could he covet as a new believer in Christ? Yes it is possible

neither argument would hold any power. because it could go either way. even if it is more logical for one view to be right then the other, you still can not prove your point, and to continue to use it to prove your point is meaningless.

Which is why you must resort to name calling.. Because its what your left with.

That is all you had to admit, That you might be wrong, Yes paul could covet after conversion also. and the argument would have been over. But no. You know it all. No one can teach you anything.

Can someone please tell this man coveting I not just material possessions

Abing · Dec 17, 2015

Hmmm. There is no such thing as hyper grace. The same amount of grace was given to us over 2000 years ago as it is today. There is, however, hyper 'faith'. But then again, Jesus said, "let it be unto him according to his faith."

No argument here.

Euphemia · Dec 17, 2015

james57 said:

SMH...this is pure, unbridled hypocrisy.

eternally-gratefull · Dec 17, 2015

james57 said:

I used to believe that during the tribulation, Israel would return to being saved by law. like they were in the OT

I used to believe America was the harlot of Babylon

I used to believe in pre trib rapture (I am now undecided)

I used to believe in the gap theory. I now reject that theory and am YEC.

You have been her less than a year, I have been here almost 5 years. You do not know me at all. Again you assume things.. You have no idea of the things I have changed because people made logical arguments against what I was tought and held too.

You have not done that, You have made argument based on things which may be, which can not even be proven, just based off assumptions.

eternally-gratefull · Dec 17, 2015

james57 said:

Can someone tell this man I never said they were???

And can someone tell this man to lease stop assuming he knows what everyone is saying, he will be much better off and able to discuss beliefs better

And now that we have that settled

Can you respond to what I said, instead of making an accusation which is unfounded and not even relating to the point I was trying t make.

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