Im new here. I need some help regarding 1 Corinth 11:14
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I'm sorry if you think I'm feeling any type of annoyance or frustration towards you for I am not. You just claimed here that the whole Bible isn't completely divinely inspired when you said that you said no to the question, "Everything that Paul wrote that is in the Bible is part of God's true, infallible (no misspeaks/mistakes, impossible to make mistakes), inerrant (no errors or incorrect statements). Do you believe this?". God cannot make mistakes, can He? No, He certainly cannot, but this is what you're claiming by answering no. Everything Paul wrote was exactly what God wanted Him to write, and if you believe that, you're claiming also that God made a mistake by saying that God wanted Paul to write something that is a "misspeak".
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You have dozens of words nuancing your understanding of “inerrant”. I don’t agree with your version of it. You can assume it means I don’t believe in inerrancy, but that would be foolish on your part.
I did not make any claim; I merely said “no” to your verbose definition. You made your own claims. I’m not going to bother defending things I haven’t said.
I did not make any claim; I merely said “no” to your verbose definition. You made your own claims. I’m not going to bother defending things I haven’t said.
"'Does not nature itself teach you...'" That is something that Paul wrote, and then you go on to say this, "would therefore be 1st-century misunderstanding of 'nature'". Isn't that clearly a claim that Paul wrote a 1st-century misunderstanding of nature? It sure seems like it to me. But then you may say I on purposely left out this part of I didn't include it, in which was, "and essentially a local/cultural issue rather than an enduring ecclesial matter." and you're saying here that Paul wrote a 1st-century misunderstanding of nature and that it is essentially a local/cultural issue rather than an enduring ecclesial matter. This doesn't change the fact that Paul would have had this misunderstanding if he was adopting it from what the cultural people believed. If anything I said is incorrect about any claims you may or may not have made, please let me know! I'm praying for you as we continue to have this great discussion on God's true Word which He has blesses us with! Praise the Lord and may He continue to bless you!
Well, actually a lot of people would make up reasons probably not to believe it. Here's an example: there's two guys (Jerry and Bob) and one other person who died (Luke). At the crime scene (let's say, a pizza place for example), there was a little strand of Jerry's hair and a different guy (Drake, and He's Luke's brother) brought it to the police. So Drake says, "here's evidence that Jerry killed my brother (Luke)". The police respond with, "well, there's no reason not to believe this evidence". But Jerry says, "there is a reason not to belie-" and the police suddenly grab him and Drake tells the judge what he told the police, so the judge responds, "there's no reason not to believe it! Jerry is charged with first degree murder and goes to jail for 100 years!" (I don't know exactly how the judge stuff works, just making stuff up for this example). See my point? There's so called evidence for evolution and we might as well say, "there's no reason not to believe it!". We would be very gullible wouldn't we?
Here are a few verses to look at: 1 Corinthians 2:16; 2 Timothy 3:16-17; Galatians 1:11-12; Ephesians 3:4-5; 2 Peter 1:20-21; 1 Thessalonians 2:13; Romans 15:4; and 1 Corinthians 14:37. These are just a few verses that can be considered evidence that Paul was divinely inspired by the Holy Spirit, as all of Scripture (and the epistles that Paul wrote) was breathed out by God.
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The people in Matt. 7 were not condemned because their heart was not right. According to Jesus they were condemned because they were practicing “lawlessness.” Verse 23. 1 John 3:4 Sin is lawlessness. Nothing is said about the heart in this passage.
No one is saying the heart does not matter; nor are we saying you don’t have to have the right kind of heart. But you and the writer of the post that I replied to are saying the heart is THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS.” That is what is not true. Suggesting that the commandments of God—such as 1 Cor. 11:14–can be ignored as long as your heart is right, is not in the Bible. That is false doctrine. It is a doctrine of man—not God. And it is exactly what the devil wants you to believe.
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I never said anything about ignoring the commandments of God. That is a straw man argument. 1 John 2:3 - By this we know that we have come to know Him, (already know Him/already saved/demonstrative evidence) if we "keep" (Greek word "tereo" - guard, observe, watch over) His commandments, which is descriptive of genuine believers. 4 The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not "keep" (guard, observe, watch over) His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. That is descriptive of unbelievers.
Strong's Greek: 5083. τηρέω (téreó) -- to watch over, to guard (biblehub.com)
Now if someone is practicing lawlessness then what does that say about their heart? If someone is practicing righteousness then what does that say about their heart? (See Galatians 5:19-21; 1 John 3:7-10) You seem to downplay the heart of the issue and only seem concerned with performance/works which mean nothing if our heart is not right with God.
Strong's Greek: 5083. τηρέω (téreó) -- to watch over, to guard (biblehub.com)
Now if someone is practicing lawlessness then what does that say about their heart? If someone is practicing righteousness then what does that say about their heart? (See Galatians 5:19-21; 1 John 3:7-10) You seem to downplay the heart of the issue and only seem concerned with performance/works which mean nothing if our heart is not right with God.
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I am so sorry.. well you ask from your heart and you get all this confusion which is never of God. So when Paul was talking about hair when was that being said? Well we could come back with.. you women all have your hair covered? When this was being said and to whom matters. We can back up to Samuel when God said. “Don't judge by his appearance or height, for I have rejected him. The LORD doesn't see things the way you see them. People judge by outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart.” Yeah.. that's YOUR GOD.. you have every right to own that verse. Yeah I said own.. by it I mean to heart.
Do you know how many men of GOD oh that have been used by Him .. oh its countless. Hmmm what about women that have short hair? In my 20's I still remember her Liz.. had very short hair. Never seen a girl look so beautiful. That has stuck with me for 45y now and I am 63. Kids.. one of my kids has short hair and works for Raytheon and Lockheed etc and yeah.. 3 top secrets .. kid is doing so good. I Keep asking him to get me a job with just trash haha. Well before he was born a Church me and my wife went to there was this Asian guy oh lord I forget his name but he had a job just doing trash.. then one day they needed someone that knew music and such.. and worked on Star Trek NG. Yeah.. praise GOD that was kool.
Have another kid.. hair down to the mid of his back.. and tats all over. So many things with that one. One time.. when everyone else.. every one else walked away.. He alone was the last one and never left. That makes me cry every time. So proud of that one. Now being in the lord over 50y now and am 63y old. Never once has God said to me or those around me.. preachers, teachers, youth teachers or me teaching, preaching you name it. See its if we do it in a rebellion way. He does not care.. its what your FATHER things and says not what some believer you never heard of you have no clue if they are following Christ daily or mess up all the time.. same with me you dont know.
So.. do what you want. And your right we don't know.. its not when in doubt cut your hair haha. Man let it go and live for Christ.. its your HEART He is after. Again there are so many used that have long hair. There is one I know that I really really don't like his hair.. its long. One day He shared after so long saying.. He doesn't like it but hes in the ministry and the lord told him to have that way. Why? It really gets to "Christians" and God always always always does this to us haha. I have to say.. I don't agree with all he teaches.. but oh lord.. I can't tell you how many he one on one has lead to Christ.. no so much love.. never seen someone witness like he does. GOD is all over him when that happens. ..
Do you know how many men of GOD oh that have been used by Him .. oh its countless. Hmmm what about women that have short hair? In my 20's I still remember her Liz.. had very short hair. Never seen a girl look so beautiful. That has stuck with me for 45y now and I am 63. Kids.. one of my kids has short hair and works for Raytheon and Lockheed etc and yeah.. 3 top secrets .. kid is doing so good. I Keep asking him to get me a job with just trash haha. Well before he was born a Church me and my wife went to there was this Asian guy oh lord I forget his name but he had a job just doing trash.. then one day they needed someone that knew music and such.. and worked on Star Trek NG. Yeah.. praise GOD that was kool.
Have another kid.. hair down to the mid of his back.. and tats all over. So many things with that one. One time.. when everyone else.. every one else walked away.. He alone was the last one and never left. That makes me cry every time. So proud of that one. Now being in the lord over 50y now and am 63y old. Never once has God said to me or those around me.. preachers, teachers, youth teachers or me teaching, preaching you name it. See its if we do it in a rebellion way. He does not care.. its what your FATHER things and says not what some believer you never heard of you have no clue if they are following Christ daily or mess up all the time.. same with me you dont know.
So.. do what you want. And your right we don't know.. its not when in doubt cut your hair haha. Man let it go and live for Christ.. its your HEART He is after. Again there are so many used that have long hair. There is one I know that I really really don't like his hair.. its long. One day He shared after so long saying.. He doesn't like it but hes in the ministry and the lord told him to have that way. Why? It really gets to "Christians" and God always always always does this to us haha. I have to say.. I don't agree with all he teaches.. but oh lord.. I can't tell you how many he one on one has lead to Christ.. no so much love.. never seen someone witness like he does. GOD is all over him when that happens. ..
Does "nature" teach you that long hair on a man is improper? I doubt it. You might believe that, but most likely because Paul's words are recorded in Scripture. It's a cultural argument. Try asking an indigenous American whether "nature itself" teaches that long hair on a man is improper. He'll probably laugh at your ignorance.
Given that "nature itself" does not actually teach any such thing, either Scripture is wrong, or Paul's words have a limited cultural context. I prefer the second option. You're welcome to whatever conclusion makes you comfortable.
Given that "nature itself" does not actually teach any such thing, either Scripture is wrong, or Paul's words have a limited cultural context. I prefer the second option. You're welcome to whatever conclusion makes you comfortable.
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Thanks, I understand the angle you’re coming from – Not sure they confirm, and these words are all from Paul, the only one that is not is Peter which does not confirm Paul.
This could be negated - John 5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
Paul also says things that are his opinion, not inspired
1 Corinthians 7:25 Now concerning the unmarried, I have no command of the Lord, but I give my opinion as one who by the Lord’s mercy is trustworthy.
How do we overcome this!
Well, I was just providing evidence. Still, it may not be very good evidence though considered by some people. I'll have to think about that. But Paul also was an apostle, would he lie about himself? He was in Christ, he loved God, and obeying God's commandments brought him such joy for he was pleasing and glorifying the one who gave him new life.
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