Is Christmas paganism?

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I never said you did or should I said I have alwys put the Messiah;s words abouve all, yet you claimed I do not, so here we see you are not assessing moe properly, but have pre-disposition.

And you seem to think as soon as I say the Law is the right way to live Im preaching justification by Law...

Here is proof that the people of YHWH have faith in Messiah and guard His Instructions/Torah/COmmands/Law:

Revelation 12:17, “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the Commands of יהוה and possessing the Witness of יהושע Messiah."

Yet you tell me Im mixing OT and NT...



Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the Commands of יהוה and the Belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”

I know I know it never means what it says...

you just spin what others say and you do the same with scripture

you quote scripture, but you do not understand what it is saying

you are into prophecy so you mix in something from Revelation that has no bearing on the op

you don't believe the NT covenant through the blood of Christ which you constantly illustrate by your own words
 

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well if wish to consider yourself under the law, that would be very foolish, but it seems you really really want to do that

it becomes apparent that the once and for all time sacrifice of Christ is not enough for you lawkeepers

and as I stated earlier, this thread, for you, is really only about yourlaw keeping beliefs and just another chance to defend your desire to keep what no one can keep and call those efforts satisfying even though God says all our righteousness is as a filthy rag...the real intent of that thought goes further

Christians rest in the work of Jesus, which means they understand they cannot work for salvation and being saved cannot work to stay saved

someone who does not understand what happened on the cross makes a cause for keeping the law which has been done away with
So do you view all these passages as "done away" or "obselete"?

Exodus 20:6, “But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws.”

John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”

John 14:23-24, "יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”

1 Yahanan/John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of YHWH: When we love YHWH by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of YHWH: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

the Messiah said:

Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

SO whoever is telling you that is wrong..... wow...
 
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OK you found a message board with theoris and posted it as disproving what I quoted reliable historical sources...

LOL I post like 20 Bible Dictionaries and Encyclopedias and they are non credible... OK...

Here are a few more:

A Manual of Church History, Albert Henry Newman, p. 299:


“The fact that vernal festivals were general among pagan peoples no doubt had much to do with the form assumed by the Eastern festival in the Christian churches. The English term Easter is of pagan origin.”

AmTract Dictionary of Holy Bible, EASTER:


“Is improperly put for PASSOVER, Ac 12:4; Passover being the name of the ancient Jewish festival here referred to; while Easter, from the Saxon goddess Eostre, is the modern name of a Christian festival, in commemoration of the events of Passover-week, and fixed at the same period of the year.”





Theological Dictionary, Charles Buck, Easter:


“The day on which the Christian church commemorates our Saviour's resurrection. It is called by the Greeks Pasga; and by the Latins Pascha, a Hebrew word signifying passage, applied to the Jewish feast at the passover. It is called Easter in English, from the Saxon goddess Eostre, whose festival was held in April. The Asiatic churches kept their Easter upon the very same day that the Jews observed their passover, and others on the first Sunday after the first full moon in the new year. This controversy was determined in the council of Nice, when it was ordained that Easter should be kept upon one and the same day, which should always be Sunday, in all Christian churches in the world.”

what happened to the Easter egg dying?

see how you jump around when you cannot answer something?

I already responded to your distortion of a message board. this is a board....and here we find you. :ROFL: I don't mind using one if it agrees with scholarly findings

you are so wrapped up in rules and law, that you cannot understand what Paul writes...

two questions and if you don't answer them, we will see what you believe anyway, so here are the questions:

1. do you accept the letters of Paul in the New Testament?

2. do you think Christians who observe Christmas are into pagan worship?
 

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you just spin what others say and you do the same with scripture

you quote scripture, but you do not understand what it is saying

you are into prophecy so you mix in something from Revelation that has no bearing on the op

you don't believe the NT covenant through the blood of Christ which you constantly illustrate by your own words
So I quote the Messiahs words but I dont beleive Him/the New Covenant... Thats odd..

Also you never touch on even acknowledge the Scripture I post it all about how IM bad and dod this and that...

the Messiah said it, I believe it:

Revelation 12:17, “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the Commands of יהוה and possessing the Witness of יהושע Messiah."

Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the Commands of יהוה and the Belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”
 

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what happened to the Easter egg dying?

see how you jump around when you cannot answer something?

I already responded to your distortion of a message board. this is a board....and here we find you. :ROFL: I don't mind using one if it agrees with scholarly findings

you are so wrapped up in rules and law, that you cannot understand what Paul writes...

two questions and if you don't answer them, we will see what you believe anyway, so here are the questions:

1. do you accept the letters of Paul in the New Testament?

2. do you think Christians who observe Christmas are into pagan worship?
You posted like 10 posts replying to me I replies to thme now you saying im off topic, ok...

What exact question do you have about dying eggs. (I did provide numerous biblical Study resources and Encyclopidias that shows Easter and te origin of eggs originates from pagan practice) so if we are being honest you either missed that or ignored it and made me look like I was doing something wrong...

Here is where I showed some evidence earlier, maybe you missed it? I highlighted it in purple:

Oh wow you found a random MESSAGE BOARD that gives theories... wow who needs to actually study history when there are message boards. Are you even seeking truth or just what fits what you alrady want?

The Last Two Million Years by The Reader’s Digest Association, page 215
Pagan rites absorbed By a stroke of tactical genius the Church, while intolerant of pagan beliefs, was able to harness the powerful emotions generated by pagan worship. Often, churches were sited where temples had stood before, and many heathen festivals were added to the Christian calendar. Easter, for instance, a time of sacrifice and rebirth in the Christian year, takes its name from the Norse goddess Eostre, in whose honor rites were held every spring. She in turn was simply a northern version of the Phoenician earth-mother Astarte, goddess of fertility. Easter eggs continue an age-old tradition in which the egg is a symbol of birth; and cakes which were eaten to mark the festivals of Astarte and Eostre were the direct ancestors of our hot-cross buns.”

Collier’s Encyclopedia, Volume 3, page 97
ASTARTE [æsta’rti], the Phoenician goddess of fertility and erotic love. The Greek name, ‘‘Astarte’’ was derived from Semitic, ‘‘Ishtar,’’ ‘‘Ashtoreth.’’ Astarte was regarded in Classical antiquity as a moon goddess, perhaps in confusion with some other Semitic deity. In accordance with the literary traditions of the Greco-Romans, Astarte was identified with Selene and Artemis, and more often with Aphrodite. Among the Canaanites, Astarte, like her peer Anath, performed a major function as goddess of fertility. Egyptian iconography, however, portrayed Astarte in her role as a warlike goddess massacring mankind, young and old. She is represented on plaques (dated 1700-1100 b.c.) as naked, in striking contrast to the modestly garbed Egyptian goddesses. Edward J. Jurji

From The Two Babylons by Hislop, pages 20-22
The Babylonians in their popular religion, supremely worshiped a Goddess Mother, and a Son, who was represented in pictures and in images as an infant or child in his mother’s arms (Figs. 5 and 6). From Babylon, this worship of the Mother and the Child spread to the ends of the earth. In Egypt, the Mother and the Child were worshiped under the names of Isis and Osiris.* In India, even to this day, as Isi and Iswara; * in asia, as Cybele and Deoius;§ in Pagan Rome, as Fortuna and Jupiter-puer, or Jupiter, the boy;11 in Greece, as Ceres, the Great Mother, with the babe at her breast,¶ or as Irene, the goddess of Peace, with the boy Plutus in her arms; ** and even in Thibet, in China, and Japan, the Jesuit missionaries were astonished to find the counterpart of Madonna ** and her child as devoutly worshiped as in Papal Rome itself; Shing Moo, the Holy Mother in China, being represented with a child in her arms, and a glory around her, exactly as if a Roman Catholic artist had been employed to set her up.* The original of that mother, so widely worshiped, there is reason to believe, was Semiramis, * already referred to, who, it is well known, was worshiped by the Babylonians, * and other eastern nations, § and that under the name of Rhea, ||the great goddess “Mother.” It was from the son, however, that she derived all her glory and her claims to deification. That son, though represented as a child in his mother’s arms, was a person of great stature and immense bodily powers, as well as most fascinating manners. In Scripture he is referred to (Ezek. viii. 14) under the name of Tammuz, but he is commonly known among classical writers under the name of Bacchus, that is, ‘‘The lamented One.’’ ¶ To the ordinary reader the name of Bacchus suggests nothing more than revelry and drunkenness, but it is now well known, that amid all the abominations that attended his orgies, their grand design was professedly ‘‘the purification of souls,’’ * and that from the guilt and defilement of sin. This lamented one, exhibited and adored as a little child in his mother’s arms, seems, in point of fact, to have been the husband of Semiramis, whose name, Ninus, by which he is commonly known in classical history, literally signified ‘‘The Son,’’* as Semiramis, the wife, was worshiped as Rhea, whose grand distinguishing character was that of the great goddess ‘‘Mother,’’* the conjunction with her of her husband, under the name of Ninus, or ‘‘The Son,’’ was sufficient to originate the peculiar worship of the ‘‘Mother and Son,’’ so extensively diffused among the nations of antiquity; and this, no doubt, is the explanation of the fact which has so much puzzled the inquirers into ancient history, that Ninus is sometimes called the husband, and sometimes the son of Semiramis.§ This also accounts for the origin of the very same confusion of relationship between Isis and Osiris, the mother and child of the Egyptians; for as Bunsen shows, Osiris was represented in Egypt as at once the son and husband of his mother; and actually bore, as one of his titles of dignity and honor, the name ‘‘Husband of the Mother.’’|| The Babylonian worship of the Great Mother spread throughout the known world. This Mother Goddess was known by different names, but the form of her religion has not transformed since antiquity...

Eggs have absolutely nothing to do with the resurrection of the Messiah (three days and three nights after He was placed in the grave),but the egg was a sacred symbol to the Babylonians. An egg of wondrous size fell from heaven into the Euphrates River; from this marvelous egg the Goddess Astarte (Easter) was hatched. From the land of Babylon, humanity was scattered to the various parts of the earth. These religious people took with them the symbol of the mystic sacred egg. Each pagan nation had its own representation of this wonder. The Greeks had their sacred egg of Heliopolis, and the Typhon’s Egg.

From The Two Babylons, by Hislop on page 109
From Egypt these sacred eggs can be distinctly traced to the banks of the Euphrates. The classic poets are full of the fable of the mystic egg of the Babylonians; and thus its tale is told by Hyginus, the Egyptian, the learned keeper of the Palatine library at Rome, in the time of Augustus, who was skilled in all the wisdom of his native country: ‘‘An egg of wondrous size is said to have fallen from heaven into the river Euphrates. The fishes rolled it to the bank, where the doves having settled upon it, hatched it, and out came Venus, who afterwards was called the Syrian Goddess’’*—that is, Astarte. Hence the egg became one of the symbols of Astarte or Easter; and accordingly, in Cyprus, one of the chosen seats of the worship of Venus, or Astarte, the egg of wondrous size was represented on a grand scale. (See Fig. 32) § The Roman Catholic Church now has their own Official Representation of Ishtar—the Virgin Mother, who stands upon the top of this Sacred Egg of Heliopolis, with the Serpent Typhon at her feet.
 
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So do you view all these passages as "done away" or "obselete"?

Exodus 20:6, “But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws.”

John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”

John 14:23-24, "יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”

1 Yahanan/John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of YHWH: When we love YHWH by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of YHWH: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

the Messiah said:

Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

SO whoever is telling you that is wrong..... wow...
you view them as YOU fulfilling them

I view them as fulfilled by Christ Jesus

you judge with a dead covenant
 
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you are just going around and around with the same thing and I know you love it, but I don't

try answering the questions I asked because those are to the point

show that you can actually make a point
 

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you view them as YOU fulfilling them

I view them as fulfilled by Christ Jesus

you judge with a dead covenant
It alwsy you you you... quote where I said I fulfill the Law? you never speak on the Scriptures I post simply focus on me... and it;s a twisted view IMO.
 

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you are just going around and around with the same thing and I know you love it, but I don't

try answering the questions I asked because those are to the point

show that you can actually make a point
Well you claim I never spoke on eggs even though I did and re quoted it, it is above, so maybe you are not really considering what Im saying but have you mind made up about me?
 

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ALl things are lawful? So murder is lawful? You said all things, if murder is not lawful then it;s not all things.

Well the way I see it a spiritual walk does not hold fast to tradtions of the world based in paganisim, calling not partiking in man ordained holidays is not "bogged down" IMO, but to each their own..

1 Peter 2:16, “as free, yet not using your freedom as a cloak for evil, but as servants of the Mighty One.”

1 John 2:15-17, “Do not love the world, nor the things that are in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world: the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passes away, with the lust that is in it; but he who does the will of YHWH abides forever.”
I am just stating what Paul said. Of course, murder is not lawful. I believe that there are different levels of spiritual maturity and understanding.

For example, it was stated in the OT that eating foods sacrificed to idols was unlawful but for someone that is spiritually enlighten that person realizes that these idols are not living and they are not a god so therefore it is lawful to eat foods sacrificed to idols. It also cautions in the NT to not let your freedom to do certain things or eat certain foods to cause a weaker brother to stumble.

No spiritually mature Christian would actually believe that a Christmas tree is an object worthy of worship but rather serves a purpose to set a festive mood for Christian fellowship with family and friends. Obviously your conscience does not allow for celebrating Christmas, Easter or possibly other holidays but that does not mean that it is wrong for other Christians to do such things. This is an example of what Paul was saying about all things being lawful.
 

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I am just stating what Paul said. Of course, murder is not lawful. I believe that there are different levels of spiritual maturity and understanding.

For example, it was stated in the OT that eating foods sacrificed to idols was unlawful but for someone that is spiritually enlighten that person realizes that these idols are not living and they are not a god so therefore it is lawful to eat foods sacrificed to idols. It also cautions in the NT to not let your freedom to do certain things or eat certain foods to cause a weaker brother to stumble.

No spiritually mature Christian would actually believe that a Christmas tree is an object worthy of worship but rather serves a purpose to set a festive mood for Christian fellowship with family and friends. Obviously your conscience does not allow for celebrating Christmas, Easter or possibly other holidays but that does not mean that it is wrong for other Christians to do such things. This is an example of what Paul was saying about all things being lawful.
What about when the Messiah says in Revelation not to eat food sacrificed to idols, and this is post resurrection:

Revelation 2:14, "But I have a few things against you: you have some there who hold the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, so that they might eat food sacrificed to idols and practice sexual immorality."

Revelation 2:20, "But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols."

Also I agree murder is not lawful, thus "all things" CAN NOT be lawful, all things are all...

My bottom line is that if something is a pagan ritual I do not want to use it to worship the One and only Almighty, Creator of all that is...
 

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What about when the Messiah says in Revelation not to eat food sacrificed to idols, and this is post resurrection:

Revelation 2:14, "But I have a few things against you: you have some there who hold the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, so that they might eat food sacrificed to idols and practice sexual immorality."

Revelation 2:20, "But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols."

Also I agree murder is not lawful, thus "all things" CAN NOT be lawful, all things are all...

My bottom line is that if something is a pagan ritual I do not want to use it to worship the One and only Almighty, Creator of all that is...
Regarding post-resurrection it would be best not to make an idol in the first place. I don't believe that there is a contradiction in the bible when Paul said that all things are lawful when obviously there are things that are very much unlawful but a spiritual common sense application of these difficult passages often sheds light on what is truly meant and important. There is the letter of the law and also the spirit of the law but often there is a big difference between each. I personally believe that it is best to just simply pray for guidance and strength to humbly serve the Lord performing the work that my Heavenly Father has prepared for me to accomplish beforehand and not get bogged down on biblical minutia. Again, I am just reiterating what Paul said about all things being lawful.
 

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Regarding post-resurrection it would be best not to make an idol in the first place. I don't believe that there is a contradiction in the bible when Paul said that all things are lawful when obviously there are things that are very much unlawful but a spiritual common sense application of these difficult passages often sheds light on what is truly meant and important. There is the letter of the law and also the spirit of the law but often there is a big difference between each. I personally believe that it is best to just simply pray for guidance and strength to humbly serve the Lord performing the work that my Heavenly Father has prepared for me to accomplish beforehand and not get bogged down on biblical minutia. Again, I am just reiterating what Paul said about all things being lawful.
I mostly agree with what you say here, just want to say, I don't see the form and way of worshiping and following YHWH as "bogged down on biblical minutia" Yahshua/Jesus says "you must worship the father in Sprit and truth" Avout the "all lawful" with all things or not all things. We can;t say "all things" then go "but not this and that" that is not all things... Also I think the spirit vs letter term is misunderstood. The pharisees took "you shall not swaer falsely in the name of YHWH" and made a "talmudic law" that said they can swear falsely as long as it is not in His name. the term "the letter" is the twisting and lawyering" of the written word. Of course the spirit and/or intent of what is written is the only true way to follow YHWH and His Law. and honestly, I fully agree we all need to, myself inculded to as you say pary for guadnace and strength to serve Him, to be what He wants I think is a life long process, continually going His way and not looking back. May the Most High guide us.
 
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So you were not being smart asking "if sabta hurt me" but being a gentle caring soul?

Also just because there are many things in our culture that have pagan roots does not mean it;s ok to partake, the Most High says "do not worship Me in their ways" I fell like this is ignored and people do what they want as opposed to listen to Him...
I asked yes because there are people who get abused or mistreated by others rather it's Santa or a pastor and have a hard time forgiving them and lash out. If that wasn't the case then ok.

I don't think any Christian worships Christmas they use it to honor Jesus birth and to show others some love. the world is full of hateful things shouldn't that be the focus instead of bashing Christmas. Rather Christmas started out as some pagan gibberish is back burner stuff.
 

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I see this question pop up every year and I see tons of people spreading fear into others that Christmas should not be celebrated.

I'm going to answer the way I always do. "What does God say to you about this? Have you talked to Him about your concerns?"
I'd also give a friendly warning to those who project their own convictions onto others. Celebrating Christ is NEVER paganism. Just because there's one special day that we celebrate doesn't mean that it's the ONLY day we celebrate His birth. We do that every day, and if not, we should.

I also ask what is your focus? Is it on God or dark things in this world? If your focus is always on God then you are focusing on the Light. Spreading Light to others in dark times. I think it's important to think about the perception one has because, as Jesus put it:
Matthew 6:22-23
"The eye is the lamp of the body. Therefore if your eye is sincere, your whole body will be full of light. 23 But if your eye is evil, your whole body will be dark. Therefore if the light in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!"
 

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I asked yes because there are people who get abused or mistreated by others rather it's Santa or a pastor and have a hard time forgiving them and lash out. If that wasn't the case then ok.

I don't think any Christian worships Christmas they use it to honor Jesus birth and to show others some love. the world is full of hateful things shouldn't that be the focus instead of bashing Christmas. Rather Christmas started out as some pagan gibberish is back burner stuff.
Well I am a very forgving person, as I used to do all kinds of things that were very wrong and thus understand the need for forgiveness and that people can change. With that said I don't like falsehood in anything especially concerning the things of the Most High. I like most in america grew up partaking in Christams, Easter, Haloween, etc. Yet when I found out the truth behind them I quit partaking.

Well, I know a ton of people that are Christian that also celebrate Christmas, the majority I know do actually, not a single one of them that do have I ever seen put the focus on the Messiah. The focus is on physical gifts, decorations, fake santa n reindeer stories, frosty the snowman, etc. And the bottom line to me, and no one here has even acknowledged the passage, YHWH says "do not worship me in their ways" Yahshua says "worship the Father in Spirit and truth" So if any pagan things are used to worship the Most hIGH it is wrong, and that is by His word, Im just repeating it. You say "bashing Christmas" but what I say about it;s origins are true. It is just something that is a custom in our society and people enjoy, if I took hinduisim and used it to worship the Most High and said its about the Messiah would this be any differnt? I say no...

please answer this:
What if I used Mithraisim (ancient Persian religion)to worship the Messiah would that be ok and acceptable to the Most High?
 

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I see this question pop up every year and I see tons of people spreading fear into others that Christmas should not be celebrated.

I'm going to answer the way I always do. "What does God say to you about this? Have you talked to Him about your concerns?"
I'd also give a friendly warning to those who project their own convictions onto others. Celebrating Christ is NEVER paganism. Just because there's one special day that we celebrate doesn't mean that it's the ONLY day we celebrate His birth. We do that every day, and if not, we should.

I also ask what is your focus? Is it on God or dark things in this world? If your focus is always on God then you are focusing on the Light. Spreading Light to others in dark times. I think it's important to think about the perception one has because, as Jesus put it:
Matthew 6:22-23
"The eye is the lamp of the body. Therefore if your eye is sincere, your whole body will be full of light. 23 But if your eye is evil, your whole body will be dark. Therefore if the light in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!"
What if I used Mithraisim (ancient Persian religion)to worship the Messiah would that be ok and acceptable to the Most High?
 
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Well I am a very forgving person, as I used to do all kinds of things that were very wrong and thus understand the need for forgiveness and that people can change. With that said I don't like falsehood in anything especially concerning the things of the Most High. I like most in america grew up partaking in Christams, Easter, Haloween, etc. Yet when I found out the truth behind them I quit partaking.

Well, I know a ton of people that are Christian that also celebrate Christmas, the majority I know do actually, not a single one of them that do have I ever seen put the focus on the Messiah. The focus is on physical gifts, decorations, fake santa n reindeer stories, frosty the snowman, etc. And the bottom line to me, and no one here has even acknowledged the passage, YHWH says "do not worship me in their ways" Yahshua says "worship the Father in Spirit and truth" So if any pagan things are used to worship the Most hIGH it is wrong, and that is by His word, Im just repeating it. You say "bashing Christmas" but what I say about it;s origins are true. It is just something that is a custom in our society and people enjoy, if I took hinduisim and used it to worship the Most High and said its about the Messiah would this be any differnt? I say no...

please answer this:
What if I used Mithraisim (ancient Persian religion)to worship the Messiah would that be ok and acceptable to the Most High?
Here's the skinny if you think it's a sin don't do it but as well don't judge others like Paul's teachings on the meat offering, if somebody thinks it's a sin and their eating it to an idol then it's a sin to them but if someone can eat it with a clear conscious not to an idol then it's not a sin to them. if I'm having Christmas and not worshipping Santa or the tree or frosty the snowman as some god then it's not a sin to me.
 

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What if I used Mithraisim (ancient Persian religion)to worship the Messiah would that be ok and acceptable to the Most High?
I have no idea what that is. I just praise God, Christ Whom died for the world. Again though, if one is a Christian having a relationship with the Most High, always ask God if unsure about anything.
 

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Here's the skinny if you think it's a sin don't do it but as well don't judge others like Paul's teachings on the meat offering, if somebody thinks it's a sin and their eating it to an idol then it's a sin to them but if someone can eat it with a clear conscious not to an idol then it's not a sin to them. if I'm having Christmas and not worshipping Santa or the tree or frosty the snowman as some god then it's not a sin to me.
So we are judged by our own heart? SO what if someone thinks chating on their wife is ok, that is not a sin for them?