Is Science showing us Creation is still happening?

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  • Einstein never liked the idea that nature is uncertain and he once said “does that mean the Moon is not there when I am not looking at it”.

What he didn't consider is that God is everywhere. If something needs to be real to our reality, God makes it so. In Science, we call it wave collapse. A quantum wave is becoming a physical particle. That sounds like Creation to me.

You need something smaller than a virus to display the effect of something not being real/physical.

With God in control of wave collapse, it means God could design the Universe and then set the history to match whatever He physically made. A quantum wave doesn't have a physical history until it is collapsed. This answers why we question the age of the Earth to what it says in the Bible. It could also answer evolution.

This would mean God is the Universal Observer and the Universal Wave. It answers the measurement problem, observer effect, and the unified theory. Does something entangled with itself join the Universal Wave? Are there levels of observation to God? ..like something that lets God observe all, but also allows Him to muffle sin?

Could there be a natural boundary between local and non-local via the size something can't entangle with itself anymore while in superposition? God is the Universal Wave, so He is entangled with the smaller particles that can entangle with themselves. He just doesn't enact wave-collapse unless it is necessary.

Is wave collapse something that isn't entangled with God anymore?
Entangled with God because He is infinite and so is superposition.
God still knows of something after it is wave collapsed, it just isn't entangled with Him.

Something can't be entangled with God if it is too large to be entangled with itself or if it is observed/measured/decohered/fallen.

You need God for wave collapse to physical particles. Does that mean creation is still happening?

A fallen state = age, death, decay, and entropy. You can be about yourself separated from God the Father ..you can sin. I think satan has something to do with a fallen state. Just being fallen didn't give us the ability to sin here. Something had to happen to unleash that ..like what happened in the Garden.

The age is the amount of time you spent in a fallen state.

Eating the fruit caused a fallen state and the first sin.

Is the last Adam about the first to last sin?
 
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The idea that wave collapse could be defined by something that stopped being entangled with God is mind blowing.

Scientists say non-local becomes local with quantum information being lost to the environment. I'm saying it is God swapping it to be real and physical particles. I think it uses the information to describe a scalar volume.

That would mean there is evidence of God all around us.
 

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The idea that wave collapse could be defined by something that stopped being entangled with God is mind blowing.

Scientists say non-local becomes local with quantum information being lost to the environment. I'm saying it is God swapping it to be real and physical particles. I think it uses the information to describe a scalar volume.

That would mean there is evidence of God all around us.

God is still creating, its gonna be a new creation, after the heaven and earth is (Dissolved) by the Lords fire in judgement.


2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved,
what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV

1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
 
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The idea that wave collapse could be defined by something that stopped being entangled with God is mind blowing.

It's only mind blowing because with God being All Knowing, He knows the End of all existence from the very Beginning. So if there was a collapsed wave that took place, or billions of them, What happened was already set into Motion by God allowing what we understand from the Word of God itself.

As far as if God's Creation is still happening?
Each new life form being brought forth from mammal to microorganism is a sign of daily [creations/miracles] still taking place.
 
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Well, now we can point it out to the unbelievers with science.

I'm talking about particles. Not something that needs listed in the Bible. Maybe I should had said "transformation". So it doesn't have to be labeled "creation" ..but it is still God doing it.
 
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Well, now we can point it out to the unbelievers with science.

I'm talking about particles. Not something that needs listed in the Bible. Maybe I should had said "transformation". So it doesn't have to be labeled "creation" ..but it is still God doing it.
You still have to call it God no matter how you choose to define and present it. So it has to appear side by side with Science using Quantum Mechanics + being explained by what took place in the Word of God to equal the Scientific Evidence.
 

birdie

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  • Einstein never liked the idea that nature is uncertain and he once said “does that mean the Moon is not there when I am not looking at it”.

What he didn't consider is that God is everywhere. If something needs to be real to our reality, God makes it so. In Science, we call it wave collapse. A quantum wave is becoming a physical particle. That sounds like Creation to me.

You need something smaller than a virus to display the effect of something not being real/physical.

With God in control of wave collapse, it means God could design the Universe and then set the history to match whatever He physically made. A quantum wave doesn't have a physical history until it is collapsed. This answers why we question the age of the Earth to what it says in the Bible. It could also answer evolution.

This would mean God is the Universal Observer and the Universal Wave. It answers the measurement problem, observer effect, and the unified theory. Does something entangled with itself join the Universal Wave? Are there levels of observation to God? ..like something that lets God observe all, but also allows Him to muffle sin?

Could there be a natural boundary between local and non-local via the size something can't entangle with itself anymore while in superposition? God is the Universal Wave, so He is entangled with the smaller particles that can entangle with themselves. He just doesn't enact wave-collapse unless it is necessary.

Is wave collapse something that isn't entangled with God anymore?
Entangled with God because He is infinite and so is superposition.
God still knows of something after it is wave collapsed, it just isn't entangled with Him.

Something can't be entangled with God if it is too large to be entangled with itself or if it is observed/measured/decohered/fallen.

You need God for wave collapse to physical particles. Does that mean creation is still happening?

A fallen state = age, death, decay, and entropy. You can be about yourself separated from God the Father ..you can sin. I think satan has something to do with a fallen state. Just being fallen didn't give us the ability to sin here. Something had to happen to unleash that ..like what happened in the Garden.

The age is the amount of time you spent in a fallen state.

Eating the fruit caused a fallen state and the first sin.

Is the last Adam about the first to last sin?
The Bible uses the term "create" and "creation" to describe the people that he brought into being. Often when people read in the Bible that God created the world or the earth or heaven it is not talking so much about the physical universe that is beheld. Rather, the "world" is the people in Bible lingo. That is why John 3:16 says that God so loved the world. Similarly, heaven and earth are describing people. When the Bible says that the heavens declare the glory of God it is talking about his true believers declaring the glory of God, not so much meaning the planets and all that.
 
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The Bible uses the term "create" and "creation" to describe the people that he brought into being. Often when people read in the Bible that God created the world or the earth or heaven it is not talking so much about the physical universe that is beheld. Rather, the "world" is the people in Bible lingo. That is why John 3:16 says that God so loved the world. Similarly, heaven and earth are describing people. When the Bible says that the heavens declare the glory of God it is talking about his true believers declaring the glory of God, not so much meaning the planets and all that.
We should be looking at the creation week as prophetic symbolism?
 
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Is opening the door to God and seeing the light, the same as letting your soul quantum entangle with Him?

Do your sins become His sins via the entangled connection?
 

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Can a person become so entangled in their intellect and be educated so far beyond their intellectual capacity that they cannot comprehend the simple gospel that Jesus brought to mankind? The gospel that is open to even a young child's capacity to understand.

One is not a Christian by natural birth.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Can a person become so entangled in their intellect and be educated so far beyond their intellectual capacity that they cannot comprehend the simple gospel that Jesus brought to mankind? The gospel that is open to even a young child's capacity to understand.

One is not a Christian by natural birth.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Perhaps you fail to realize there are millions of people that don't believe, Science is the answer to wake them to God.
 
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Anything entangled with God can be given to Him back in time on the cross.
 
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Perhaps you fail to realize there are millions of people that don't believe, Science is the answer to wake them to God.
No, God awakened you and you chose to believe. God has knocked on the doors of those who do not believe. They simply choose to DENY God. It's not a matter for them to accept God as real in Spirit Form, human form, particle form, wave form. Their minds and hearts have [dealt] with the issue does God exist and is He real. Otherwise, they would not be adamant about denying God and telling others He is fake.

You have completely gotten this approach azz-backwards. God is knocking on their hearts already. These people are always reaffirming why God does not exist because they want to be right!
 
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No, God awakened you and you chose to believe. God has knocked on the doors of those who do not believe. They simply choose to DENY God. It's not a matter for them to accept God as real in Spirit Form, human form, particle form, wave form. Their minds and hearts have [dealt] with the issue does God exist and is He real. Otherwise, they would not be adamant about denying God and telling others He is fake.

You have completely gotten this approach azz-backwards. God is knocking on their hearts already. These people are always reaffirming why God does not exist because they want to be right!
The end of this world is not going to be believers vs non-believers. Something happens that wakes the world first.
 

notuptome

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Perhaps you fail to realize there are millions of people that don't believe, Science is the answer to wake them to God.
Gods word is the answer not science. Science is changeable Gods word is not. Ever read Romans 1?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

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You still have to call it God no matter how you choose to define and present it. So it has to appear side by side with Science using Quantum Mechanics + being explained by what took place in the Word of God to equal the Scientific Evidence.
Amen Rom chapter one is very clear to those who say there is no God. The very things God created Testify to HIS Eternal existence. A man out of the evil of their heart has chosen to ignore the truth and exchange it for a lie.
 

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yes
God is still here, He hasnt gone away. Hes still doing His God thing.
 

CS1

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Perhaps you fail to realize there are millions of people that don't believe, Science is the answer to wake them to God.
that is a pretty big presupposition.

Science is man's studied of something. God requires faith which is and was given to man, how one uses it is up to you.
Science doesn't save. it may help the human intellect but it will not save.
 

birdie

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We should be looking at the creation week as prophetic symbolism?
Thanks pittsburghjoe for asking the question. The answer is yes, we should. People who read the Bible as a surface text that does not need to be interpreted as a parable, as a mystery that God reveals (and that includes most persons in this website who see that Bible as a surface text only) are not believing what the Bible says in Psalm 78: "Give ear, O my people, to my law: incline your ears to the words of my mouth. I will open my mouth in a parable " The words of God's mouth is the entire Bible as is what he calls 'my law'. He tells us that this is a parable. Further, we read in the Mark 4:34: "But without a parable spake he not unto them ". Here, God is cluing in those who will allow themselves to be instructed, that Jesus (the word of God) did not speak without a parable. The word of God is given in such a way that it must be interpreted as the parable of the sower is intrepreted. In that case, seed was not really tomato seeds or some other seeds in the ordinary sense, but was the word of God. Similarly, thorns was a term not speaking about blackberry thorns but the real meaning was different (it meant: such as hear the word, And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.) The entire chapter of Mark 4 gets in to how the word of God must be interpreted. It is there we learn: "Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: ". This means that God gives the true believers spiritual ears to hear and to understand but to the unbelievers the Bible is all a parable that they do not understand.
 

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When the Bible says that the heavens declare the glory of God it is talking about his true believers declaring the glory of God, not so much meaning the planets and all that.
Why would only His created humans testify of His glory, and nothing else He created represent His power, wisdom and craftsmanship? And not only that, why only the ones who believe Him?

We are not "the heavens" - - I don't know why you would have this weird opinion that God's handiwork isn't meant to declare Him, the Creator of all these things.