King James authorized bible vs the rest of other bibles

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Kerry

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Oh yes after the King issued his decree but before that you were killed for having a Wycliffe or Tyndale bible. Read it again. Many people were killed for just hiding Tyndale.

Okay what difference does it make. My God read the Codex. will it tell you something different. Will it open a door to heaven or maybe to the fourth dimension where you can see the beginning from the end?
If it aint about the cross then it's not of God. Get a grip. what is the bible about? it's about Christ and Him crucified got a problem with that?
 
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You seem to be the one quite uninformed. The King James was produced by KING JAMES!! who was the head of the Church of England! Since Catholicism was illegal in Britain where English is spoken, it really didn't impact the Catholic Church.
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Kerry and Last, it's a pointless discussion. The number of people that died for anything doesn't validate whether something is right or wrong. Do you want to have a punt about how many people have died for Islam? It's a complete non sequiter of an argument.

As you said it is a moot point and don't really mean any thing. I love you brother, but what difference does it make. So Satan was called a cherry lollipop who cares. I just want to know what affects me and my family and what I must do to enter the gates. All this historical and Greek and Hebrew means nothing to me, Because I don't speak Greek or Hebrew I speak American and so do my children.

I meant, if I get saved do I have to go to college and learn Hebrew and Greek in order to understand God. Must I divulge into the intricacies of the law. Thank God for the KJV. It handles that for me. in fact it is the very reason that KJV was created. Many people died that I might be able to read the word in my own Language and did not have to learn Latin or Hebrew or Greek or Aramaic.
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I'm not the one attacking the KJV. Go, read it. It's fine. I did not start the argument about morning stars. I'm only interested in continuing it as long as people seem to think it's ammunition. It's a completely furphy of an argument, I agree, but it can be quite damaging to people who don't know any better.

What I really have a problem with is people who see fit to attack every other translation on the grounds that they're not the KJV. That's what I'm concerned about. I agree, you don't have to go to college and learn Hebrew or Greek. But neither are you required to read the KJV. The philosophy behind modern translations is exactly the same as that behind the KJV - render the Scriptures in a text that people can read without having to spend half the time simply comprehending what the words mean.
 
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Kerry said:
Oh yes after the King issued his decree but before that you were killed for having a Wycliffe or Tyndale bible. Read it again. Many people were killed for just hiding Tyndale.
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No, just a few years after the death of Tyndale the Church of England published an English translation mostly based on his work. Tyndale died after the Church of England was created.

Okay what difference does it make. My God read the Codex. will it tell you something different. Will it open a door to heaven or maybe to the fourth dimension where you can see the beginning from the end?
If it aint about the cross then it's not of God. Get a grip. what is the bible about? it's about Christ and Him crucified got a problem with that?
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What?
 
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PleasureEden

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NO! Even if they arent as accurate translations dont burn them!
Instead use Kj as your main Bible and read out of others as well.
 
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Kerry and Last, it's a pointless discussion. The number of people that died for anything doesn't validate whether something is right or wrong. Do you want to have a punt about how many people have died for Islam? It's a complete non sequiter of an argument.
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I alreadu pointed that out

]I'm not the one attacking the KJV. Go, read it. It's fine. I did not start the argument about morning stars. I'm only interested in continuing it as long as people seem to think it's ammunition. It's a completely furphy of an argument, I agree, but it can be quite damaging to people who don't know any better.

What I really have a problem with is people who see fit to attack every other translation on the grounds that they're not the KJV. That's what I'm concerned about. I agree, you don't have to go to college and learn Hebrew or Greek. But neither are you required to read the KJV. The philosophy behind modern translations is exactly the same as that behind the KJV - render the Scriptures in a text that people can read without having to spend half the time simply comprehending what the words mean.
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I did not post that. You quoted my name first in one box, then quote someone else in the next book, making it appear as me.
 
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I did not post that. You quoted my name first in one box, then quote someone else in the next book, making it appear as me.
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Yep, the second part of my post was directed to Kerry. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

I'd suggest not getting bogged down further in an argument that everyone agrees is a red herring.
 
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I believe I made a single comment in response to his single comment about people having died for the KJV - then you brought it up again. He seemed to concede the point.
 
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Well if the devil aint fighting it then it's not worth having is it.
 
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And he enjoys the NIV. It right up his ally and does not fight it.
 
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He only fights the KJV and none others. I meant you don't see threads about the NASB or the Living or Amplified or Message or new open. No and why, ask your self. Why is Satan fighting so hard against the KJV. The proof is in the pudding and if don't eat pudding then read your atheist inspired word. and have a good time.
 
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He only fights the KJV and none others. I meant you don't see threads about the NASB or the Living or Amplified or Message or new open. No and why, ask your self. Why is Satan fighting so hard against the KJV. The proof is in the pudding and if don't eat pudding then read your atheist inspired word. and have a good time.
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Kerry, ignoring that there are plenty of contemporary translations in other language that people have died for that have no relationship to the textual tradition of the KJV, would you then argue that because people have died for the Qur'an, that therefore it is probably true? That's precisely the kind of argument that you're making.

I'm not going to post any further on this topic, because it's irrelevant. I just want to make sure you understand what you're arguing, Kerry. Now, back on topic...
 
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You know what is its called self righteousness. Well, bless God. I know the Hebrew and I am higher and mightier than you Bless God. Then, Bless God I studied Greek and speak it fluently bless God and that corn should have been barley bless God and that cockatrice den in the Hebrew means a reptile that crawls on it belly and frogs, But in redneck it means a snake hole. Do not be unequally yoked, lets break that down to the Greek, It means in redneck don't marry the fool and leave them alone.

Oh but Kerry we get deep. Deep into what, your intellect. Oh but according to the OT and revised in the NT and if look at the Greek, oh wait you must go back to the original manuscript.

get a grip ,it means what it says are you calling the Holy Spirit a liar?
 
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He only fights the KJV and none others. I meant you don't see threads about the NASB or the Living or Amplified or Message or new open. No and why, ask your self. Why is Satan fighting so hard against the KJV. The proof is in the pudding and if don't eat pudding then read your atheist inspired word. and have a good time.
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The devil is not fighting against the KJV.
There is a bunch of fanatics, as we have witnessed here, that believe the KJV is the only translation English speakers - or even ANYONE should use. That's not biblical and it's not right.

The KJV is a translation without a lot of historical importance, but that's it. If people want to use it because of its long standing tradition, that's great. When someone declares it is the only translation for English speakers or for anyone alive today, that is a whole other thing and that my friend is not from the bible.
 
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Kerry, ignoring that there are plenty of contemporary translations in other language that people have died for that have no relationship to the textual tradition of the KJV, would you then argue that because people have died for the Qur'an, that therefore it is probably true? That's precisely the kind of argument that you're making.

I'm not going to post any further on this topic, because it's irrelevant. I just want to make sure you understand what you're arguing, Kerry. Now, back on topic...
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Dude get a grip, do actually want to promote the Quaran? Look be ignorant and read your NIV or your Quaran. I din't care. I don't work for you. you are your own man and do what pleases you. I meant you could not come up with a single person that died for the NIV so you brought the Quaran. My God man get saved.
 
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The devil is not fighting against the KJV.
There is a bunch of fanatics, as we have witnessed here, that believe the KJV is the only translation English speakers - or even ANYONE should use. That's not biblical and it's not right.

The KJV is a translation without a lot of historical importance, but that's it. If people want to use it because of its long standing tradition, that's great. When someone declares it is the only translation for English speakers or for anyone alive today, that is a whole other thing and that my friend is not from the bible.
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Dude read what you want too. But I would rather read the translation that founded America and what people died for. If you want to pad the atheist pockets by purchasing a NIV then have fun.
 
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Already addressed this, you ignored it. There are not two different sets of manuscripts.The TR and W/H rely on a variety of manuscripts. TR favored more Byzantine texts which were newer and more available, while W/H relies more on the older manuscripts that are now available.

Do you even understand why they made a TR? Because the byzantine texts did not agree with each other!!
So Erasmus decided to pool all the texts he could get together and whatever the most amount of manuscripts said on a particular passage, that was the version he'd go with!
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Hey, look. You either read some fancy book, or was taught by another, or read it in article somewhere that this is so. That is not proof but it is just what somebody had written down in a document or book. I can write in a book about how cats can fly. But it doesn't make it true, though. For did you actually check the observable evidence? You know. Check the Word of God to see whether those things be so or not? Or do you just blindly accept all History as being true? The only real source of History we can trust as being 100% true is God's Word. I trust that is true because I know God cannot make mistakes or lie. God is perfect in everything He does.
 
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Kerry

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You really don't know what your saying about yourself. I meant, have you read Shakespeare?
 
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Dude get a grip, do actually want to promote the Quaran? Look be ignorant and read your NIV or your Quaran. I din't care. I don't work for you. you are your own man and do what pleases you. I meant you could not come up with a single person that died for the NIV so you brought the Quaran. My God man get saved[?????!!!!!].
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Now you're just being offensive for the sake of being offensive, Kerry. Grow up.

I don't want to promote the Qur'an. But if what determines a thing to be true or from God is how many people die for it, then why not argue for the Qur'an as well? I said that in order to hopefully show you, and if not you, then someone else, how irrelevant that argument is. It demonstrates precisely NOTHING.
 
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well if I have to be then I have to be. Nick, can you show one thread that has been debated about another translation?

If the devil is fighting it then I want it. Don't you or maybe not, it's a hard thing to do. I am used to it as I preach the cross and you would be surprised how many Christians fight against the cross. I meant, they want to be their own God. This is exactly what the atheist agenda is after. I meant look at the past twenty years. Churches have gotten away from the KJV and the cross and are preaching self help. where did this come from? ask yourself.
 
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I suspect that the next revision of the NIV will say that it's okay to be gay and encourage it and in fact as are laws dwindling for pediafile that it will also include that having sex with a three year old is okay as well. and then say it's God's word.
 
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