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Soyeong

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Nehemiah6 said:
That is correct. But Pharisees who had entered the churches made Torah observance a condition of salvation. Since the Torah contains "the Law of Moses" those insisting on applying this to Christians are called legalists (a term derived from "law) or Judaizers. The epistle to the Galatians addresses this serious issue. The modern application of "legalist" is incorrect.
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Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and it is by the Torah that we know what sin is (Romans 3:20), so while obedience to it is not a precondition for salvation, being a doer of the Torah is a condition because it is intrinsically part of what the content of God's gift of salvation is. If God is a legalist for commanding His people to obey the Torah and Christ is a legalist for living in sinless obedience to it and for spending his ministry teaching his followers to obey it by word and by example, then we should all be legalists. The problem in Galatians with the Judaizers was not with people teaching Gentiles to follow Christ's example of obedience to the Father that he set for us to follow.
 
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Romans 5:8
9 Therefore, since we have now been justified by His blood, how much more shall we be saved from wrath
through Him! 10 For if, when we were enemies of God, we were reconciled to Him through the death of
His Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through His life!

Romans 8:1 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
2 For in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set you free from the law of sin and death. .:)
 
Magenta

Magenta

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From Ephesians 1:4-6
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Soyeong said:
Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and it is by the Torah that we know what sin is...
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And it is from the New Testament that know BOTH (1)what sin is and (2) how God has made provision for the sins of the whole world.

The second truth is far more important than knowing what sin is. The Bible also says that all men have a conscience, so they already know what sin is. But they do not know the remedy without hearing or reading the Gospel.
 
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Mem

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11Indeed, with mocking lips and foreign tongues,

He will speak to this peopled 12to whom He has said:

“This is the place of rest, let the weary rest;
this is the place of repose.”

But they would not listen.

13Then the word of the LORD to them will become:

“Order on order, order on order,
line on line, line on line;
a little here, a little there,”

so that they will go stumbling backward
and will be injured, ensnared, and captured.
 
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Gideon300

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Nehemiah6 said:
That is correct. But Pharisees who had entered the churches made Torah observance a condition of salvation. Since the Torah contains "the Law of Moses" those insisting on applying this to Christians are called legalists (a term derived from "law) or Judaizers. The epistle to the Galatians addresses this serious issue. The modern application of "legalist" is incorrect.
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What would you call someone who thinks that all 613 Levitical laws apply to Christians now?
 
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Gideon300

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Flight said:
The commandment of God are not heavy. The Commandments of God are not upsetting.
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So why are they always disobeyed? Only one person has obeyed God's commandments. Hint: it's not you and it's not me. The commandment not to covet brought Paul undone (Romans 7)
 
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Gideon300

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Deluded. Christ distilled them all into just ONE law -- the Law of Love (agape).
Yes. There's not a lot of love in a stone.
 
p_rehbein

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The three versions of Legal may not be found in Scripture, but they surely are numerous postings of them here on BDF.
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Eli1

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I forgot all of previous HumbleBee usernames now.
He's very quick.

 
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