Let's end the arguments over rapture. Please ?

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Jesus_Leads

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Every time I come into the forums I find such activity, but I try to pas it by. Sometimes we must stand for what we have been given to believe even if we have already stood there many times before.
Yes if someone says wrong about scripture we have to give our voice on that but rapture is something we can't say for sure there are no direct scriptural support, only parables and prohesies. I totally agree with you on standing for the word of God but in this topic we can't make a sure judgement.
 

Adstar

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Great, another thread to start a rapture debate called stop arguing over the rapture.
Yes they start a thread called stop the rapture debating and then put forward their belief in a pre-tribulation rapture.... Putting forward that belief is initiating DEBATE.... Cause it almost forces people who don't believe in Rapture or people who do not believe in pre-trib timing to respond..

Oh yeah i believe in the rapture and i believe it will happen on the day of the second coming of the Lord Jesus.. when the last trumpet will be sounded.. :giggle:
 

Blain

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Iron sharpens iron. I like to think that when people argue in BDF they are doing it in good faith, and that's really what is important. People occasionally get frustrated and sling insults, but it's more than forgivable.

It would be scary if everyone always agreed with each other without anyone ever taking a stand on scripture somewhere... being a Christian is more than us having warm and fuzzy feelings for each other.
Yes iron does sharpen iron and debates even heated ones can be of profit to us however there is a right way to go about it and a wrong way.

Anyone going into a debate must have a teachable heart we cannot hold all of our views so firmly that if the truth is shown to us we remain blind to it you need the heart of a student in order to grow and learn in debates. And when we are attacked or when emotions rise which they will at some point we need to know our limit in which we can be in debates with a clear calm mind.
 

Blain

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Yes they start a thread called stop the rapture debating and then put forward their belief in a pre-tribulation rapture.... Putting forward that belief is initiating DEBATE.... Cause it almost forces people who don't believe in Rapture or people who do not believe in pre-trib timing to respond..

Oh yeah i believe in the rapture and i believe it will happen on the day of the second coming of the Lord Jesus.. when the last trumpet will be sounded.. :giggle:
Heresy! Just kidding;) But in all seriousness while we can disagree on things if one can come out of a debate and still be in good standing with the other person I think that shows they can handle heavy debates, we don't all have to agree on everything to be brothers and sisters in Christ
 

DavidTree

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That's not really what he said. He said is this: "...no matter when he comes and how he comes the real question should be Are we ready ?..."
OP = "So rapture is among those topics which has a lot of controversial arguments like drinking, modest dress and few more. Some people say drinking itself is sinfull and someother say drunkeness and addiction is only sinful. Same with modesty some people draw lines for Christian dress code and some other says it's upto the culture like a bikini is normal in western world while it's not the same in some other places. We cannot come to a conclusion in these topics biblically, we may have our own understanding and rules but that's not gonna work because we all know who is the final Judge."

OP - "We cannot come to a conclusion in these topics biblically,"
 

DavidTree

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Yes if someone says wrong about scripture we have to give our voice on that but rapture is something we can't say for sure there are no direct scriptural support, only parables and prohesies. I totally agree with you on standing for the word of God but in this topic we can't make a sure judgement.
Like the Serpent in the Garden by saying: "rapture is something we can't say for sure there are no direct scriptural support,"

JESUS clearly spoke His word when asked when His Return would be: Matt ch24

While Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age?”
Jesus answered, “See to it that no one deceives you.....................

Immediately after the tribulation of those days:
‘The sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’
At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn.
They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.
And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

This is just one Scripture and direct word's from the LORD concerning His Second Coming.

BEWARE Brethren of those who wish to coddle you into the comfort of religion whereby you find safety in 'respect of persons'.

When they say "Peace and Safety" then sudden destruction....................
 

JTB

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This issue holds a special importance based on the question of "what if you are wrong".

If you believe in post-trib you will prepare for tribulation. If you are wrong and are taken prior, then there's no real loss. And your preparations will be available for those "left behind".

If you believe in pre-trib, you will not prepare to see tribulation. If you are wrong and are not taken, then you're basically up the creek without a paddle when tribulation comes.

So I go back to my original position:

Pray for pre
Prepare for post.

And if there's any hint to be had, Jesus said that in the end many will turn away from Him because they were not prepared.
 

SomeDisciple

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All you have to do is read history and look around the world to see that you don't have to live through the Revelation "great tribulation" to live through persecution and tribulation. So when people talk about pre-trib rapture of the Church like it's a "get out of persecution free" card- that's not what it is- even if pre-trib was the correct reading of the scripture.
 

JTB

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All you have to do is read history and look around the world to see that you don't have to live through the Revelation "great tribulation" to live through persecution and tribulation. So when people talk about pre-trib rapture of the Church like it's a "get out of persecution free" card- that's not what it is- even if pre-trib was the correct reading of the scripture.
Personally I think tribulation started the day Christ ascended. And what we see in the end is actually nothing new, it's just on a far greater scale than ever before.
 

ResidentAlien

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All you have to do is read history and look around the world to see that you don't have to live through the Revelation "great tribulation" to live through persecution and tribulation. So when people talk about pre-trib rapture of the Church like it's a "get out of persecution free" card- that's not what it is- even if pre-trib was the correct reading of the scripture.
There's a huge difference between tribulation and the great tribulation. Everyone goes through tribulation. Pre-tribbers say they will avoid the great tribulation.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Kindly check my previous threads I always ask people to refer verses above all. What I mentioned here is don't counter one verse with another that will make contradictions within bible.
amen it’s about how seemingly different points of scripture reconcile to make a coherent message.
 

Nehemiah6

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There's a huge difference between tribulation and the great tribulation. Everyone goes through tribulation. Pre-tribbers say they will avoid the great tribulation.
There are three kinds of tribulation: (1) the trials and tribulations of the saints during the Church age, (2) "The Tribulation" (a specific period of 3 1/2 years corresponding to the reign of the Antichrist), and (3) "The Great Tribulation" (a totally unique period of divine judgments after the The Tribulation, lasting for a little less than 3 1/2 years, and followed immediately by cataclysmic cosmic events). The sum total of these two periods is 7 years, which corresponds to the 70th week (heptad) of Daniel. And the Church is ABSENT from the earth for that period but PRESENT in Heaven.
 
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Hello CC members, I can see threads of rapture is the hot topic in discussion now a days, but before getting your hands on for a research or meditation in this very vaguely mentioned and confusing topic of rapture which has lot of hidden prophetic explanations in scripture, you must have a open mind. As usual people who have met me before this is gonna be a long one and I'm sorry for that (not really lol).



So rapture is among those topics which has a lot of controversial arguments like drinking, modest dress and few more. Some people say drinking itself is sinfull and someother say drunkeness and addiction is only sinful. Same with modesty some people draw lines for Christian dress code and some other says it's upto the culture like a bikini is normal in western world while it's not the same in some other places. We cannot come to a conclusion in these topics biblically, we may have our own understanding and rules but that's not gonna work because we all know who is the final Judge.



Now sorry for taking you guys on a little detour, but you have to understand that rapture is like this and don't fight over your own view. And please please do not use scriptures as your weapons. You know the whole of scripture is the word of one person GOD. Don't use your personal interpretation of verses against each other. Being God's children and doing this, it just doesn't feel right.



Do you have an understanding of rapture good for you praise the lord. Is that different from other's view great it's time to ask God and check what you have understood. I had a lot of doubts in rapture I tried to do a meditation on that topic and so far my understanding is, its pre-trib and I'm still not sure whether it will be totally secret. That is no one other than church of christ will notice it. You don't agree with my point that's totally fine because great men of Christ had different perspective in rapure let me end this thread by saying those.



Rapture will come before the tribulation because there's no record of church on earth after revelation 3 till revelation 19, which is also in heaven

-John MacArthur



Rapture will come after tribulation and the meeting of christ in mid air is like a ceremony in that we meet Christ after trib in the air and come with him to earth as a victorious army

-R.C. Sproul





The bible says people will hear trump of the arch angel in the day of Jesus's return lot of people says the coming will be secret but I see no secret in this.

-Billy Graham









When people ask me what do you believe in pre post or mid (rapture) i simply say I don't know. If God wants to keep something secret it's waste of time trying to find it out.

-Derek Prince





So, that's it guys to be honest, are these questions necessary? are they gonna change anything? no matter when he comes and how he comes the real question should be Are we ready ? So try finding answer for that within you




Happy new year to you all. If this thread helps you, all praise be to God. Be of good cheer untill we meet our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ for the end is near.
A thread on not having threads.

Silly
 

CS1

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the topic becomes an issue when you see threads that says it is false, heresies, and lie.

Many here hold to what is known as Panology, With God, it will all Pan out.

The coming of the Lord is soon. We are to be ready. Both pre-trib and post-trib can be defended in the word of God. But we do not know we are to live as close to Jesus today because one can die and you will be with the Lord, that too is an argument LOl.
 

Mofastus

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the real question should be Are we ready ?
being ready now, is the answer alright, to know who you are in Christ Jesus, to know His love, to receive His peace, and be filled with the fulness of God as promised!

1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
 

Omegatime

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The question won't end because that is the question!
 

Mii

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It's not only the rapture. There are about 20 topics that are constantly argued over just as much. The BDF is known as a place to argue. Getting along her is merely a dream new users have. Seasoned chatter know nothing will change it.
Eh, things can change...or maybe it's just the way it affects me that changes. God has done more powerful things :p
 

Diakonos

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are these questions necessary?
Yes. We have a responsibility to know and proclaim the whole counsel of God, unadulterated.

are they gonna change anything?
Yes. Peter explicitly says that we can "hasten" the coming day of God through our holy conduct and godliness (1 Pet 3:12). Our purity of heart is improved by looking ahead to His appearing (1 John 3:2-3), a blessing which is most effective when our view of eschatology is valid (Rev 1:3).
 

JTB

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the topic becomes an issue when you see threads that says it is false, heresies, and lie.

Many here hold to what is known as Panology, With God, it will all Pan out.

The coming of the Lord is soon. We are to be ready. Both pre-trib and post-trib can be defended in the word of God. But we do not know we are to live as close to Jesus today because one can die and you will be with the Lord, that too is an argument LOl.
Absolutely. That car crash, that heart attack, that your-ticket-is-punched moment - that's your rapture, baby. For any one of us, the rapture could indeed be tonight.
 

justbyfaith

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I pray for a pre-tribulation rapture almost every night...and I believe that it is according to His will to answer me in the affirmative since He is the One who told me to pray for it (Luke 21:36).

1Jo 5:14, And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
1Jo 5:15, And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

Mar 11:22, And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
Mar 11:23, For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
Mar 11:24, Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.