Naturism/nudism and the Bible

[thecreationtutor]

I am pretty perplexed that you say I am a blood bought spirit filled child of the living God, but pursue other -isms in a way where you define yourself by them?

If it's that important to you, you should probably search the Scriptures, and God's leading. Knowing that Creation is not to be worshiped, but stewardship is to be held in our regard. That Romans 1:20 says that man worships the beats, and nature in a way that they become futile

If you have to start off your post trying to reassure us that your a Christian, you probably have your doubts or at least a conflict of masters

 

[Stephen63]

Most Christians have never studied (and I mean really studied) what the Bible says about nudism. That's not a condemnation upon my brothers and sisters, but simply fact.

I noticed in your posts here that you mention the covering of leaves Adam & Eve were given after they sinned and that is an important part of the study on nudity. When A&E fell from grace they brought upon mankind the nature of sin and that is why mankind wears clothes, to hide from our Creator the way A&E tried to do. Mind you, our Father did not tell them to wear covering; that was something they came up with on their own. he even said to them, "Who told you you were naked?", letting them know He was displeased that they were covering themselves in His sight.

First, nudism is all about the flesh. People wanting to be naked.

Now, about God's attitude about it....... this above statement of yours is totally trash. How can I say that? Because you ignored all scripture that pertains to nudity or being clothed. If you're ignoring that, you're ignoring God's will altogether.

Note the scripture:
Matthew 6:9-10 (KJV) [SUP]9 [/SUP]After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

So, how is it done in Heaven? Clothed. Anytime God's people had a visitation from any heavenly messenger, including the pre-incarnate Christ, they were clothed.

In Revelation, John sees many beings, including Jesus Himself, fully clothed. Why? Because that's how it's done in Heaven!

Not to mention the total absence of teaching on nudity in the Bible to prove your point. If it was real & important, it would have been there.

Being a naturalist is just an excuse to run around naked to see & be seen....The lust of the flesh, the eyes, & the pride of life.

Don't even think you three guys can come in here to peddle your sin as an "naturalist christian lifestyle". Putting the word "christian" in that phrase is an abomination & blasphemy.

 

[tourist]

Florida has several nude beaches. I have never been there. I believe that naturalist believe in the freedom of expression. I do not see anything inherently evil in this not that I would ever practice this. Lust is in the eye of the beholder.

 

[Tinkerbell725]

Florida has several nude beaches. I have never been there. I believe that naturalist believe in the freedom of expression. I do not see anything inherently evil in this not that I would ever practice this. Lust is in the eye of the beholder.

That sounds familiar...

This is much better...Lust is in the eye of the TIGER. lol! That was lame sorry...

 

[Tinkerbell725]

Lust begets more lust. Its is never satisfied. Its endless...chasing the wind that leads to emptiness, self destruction and then eventually becomes a dysfunction.

 

[Tinkerbell725]

First, nudism is all about the flesh. People wanting to be naked.

Now, about God's attitude about it....... this above statement of yours is totally trash. How can I say that? Because you ignored all scripture that pertains to nudity or being clothed. If you're ignoring that, you're ignoring God's will altogether.

Note the scripture:
Matthew 6:9-10 (KJV) [SUP]9 [/SUP]After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

So, how is it done in Heaven? Clothed. Anytime God's people had a visitation from any heavenly messenger, including the pre-incarnate Christ, they were clothed.

In Revelation, John sees many beings, including Jesus Himself, fully clothed. Why? Because that's how it's done in Heaven!

Not to mention the total absence of teaching on nudity in the Bible to prove your point. If it was real & important, it would have been there.

Being a naturalist is just an excuse to run around naked to see & be seen....The lust of the flesh, the eyes, & the pride of life.

Don't even think you three guys can come in here to peddle your sin as an "naturalist christian lifestyle". Putting the word "christian" in that phrase is an abomination & blasphemy.

Nudists are nuts who are fooling themselves thinking they can kill their lustful desires by being nudists. Right, its just an excuse to fuel their lust. They are fueling fire until its becomes impossible to put out.

 

[MidniteWelder]

Once the first two humans learned they were naked even God covered them up by sacrificing the first animal to cover their dreadful sin.
How much must that have hurt God's heart to have to sacrifice one of his lovely creations to have to fix what Adam and Eve screwed up, just because they were too neglectful to listen to God.

How many times did God get pretty darn ticked when someones nakedness was exposed?

Whats worse is when they start with the children so they grow up getting used to the idea corrupting their innocent minds toward evil.
I got no sympathy for 'em.
As Paul would put it...Some commit sins simply deserving of death and need to be shamed, excommunicated, whatever it takes.

Exodus 20
26And do not go up to my altar on steps, or your private parts may be exposed.’
God didn't even want us to worship him if there was a chance ones nakedness would be exposed..and he's the creator.

Nudist's are a bunch of wicked misled blind fruitloops who contribute to leading people into sin.

 

[tooldtocare]

Once the first two humans learned they were naked even God covered them up by sacrificing the first animal to cover their dreadful sin.

Ten Commandments

[1] Thou shall have no other god before Me;
[2] Thou shall not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in haven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;
[3] Thou shall not bow down thyself to them, nor serve the; for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the inequity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments;
[4] Thou shall not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name invain.
[5] Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy
[6] Honor thy father and thy mother;
[7] Thou shalt not kill
[8] Thou shalt not steal
[9] Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour
[10] Thou shall not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor’s

MidniteWelder, I do not see sacrificing in this list but I did see [7] Thou shalt not kill

I do believe you may have misread scripture

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[tooldtocare]

Nudists are nuts who are fooling themselves thinking they can kill their lustful desires by being nudists. Right?

To each their own. If you don't like it, don't look

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[MidniteWelder]

Ten Commandments

[1] Thou shall have no other god before Me;
[2] Thou shall not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in haven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;
[3] Thou shall not bow down thyself to them, nor serve the; for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the inequity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments;
[4] Thou shall not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name invain.
[5] Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy
[6] Honor thy father and thy mother;
[7] Thou shalt not kill
[8] Thou shalt not steal
[9] Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour
[10] Thou shall not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor’s

MidniteWelder, I do not see sacrificing in this list but I did see [7] Thou shalt not kill

I do believe you may have misread scripture

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I never said I was gonna kill
I said deserving of death
How much scripture have you read, just the parts you like or all of it?

 

[maxwel]

I'm a blood bought spirit filled child of the Living God. I am also a naturist now I am in predicament what is the Bible's stance on naturism?

No predicament.

Stop running around naked.

Problem solved.


I can't believe this is a real thread.

 

[tooldtocare]

The Ten Commandments have been translated into multiple languages over time. Scripture is a collection of translations of biblical verses. Most of it is pretty straightforward but Commandment 5 (five) was mistranslated. Or at least in the Christian version.

Commandment #5 in the KJV is as follows:

[5] Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy

In my view the Christian translation of Commandment five (5) should read:

[5] Remember the day of rest, to keep it holy

What do you think-?

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[peternature]

The Ten Commandments have been translated into multiple languages over time. Scripture is a collection of translations of biblical verses. Most of it is pretty straightforward but Commandment 5 (five) was mistranslated. Or at least in the Christian version.

Commandment #5 in the KJV is as follows:

[5] Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy

In my view the Christian translation of Commandment five (5) should read:

[5] Remember the day of rest, to keep it holy

What do you think-?

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From Adam to when Moses received the law, people were living under the knowledge of "good and evil" because Adam and Eve ate from the tree of good and evil. When Moses received the law it was given only for the Jews the rest of the people were still living under the knowledge of "good and evil" When you believe in Christ Jesus, both Jews and no-Jews fall under the law of Christ.
Regarding the Sabbath it was given for the Jews.
In Deuteronomy 5, Moses restates the Ten Commandments to thenext generation of Israelites. Here, after commanding Sabbath observance inverses 12–14, Moses gives the reasonthe Sabbath was given to the nation Israel: “Remember that you wereslaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with amighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commandedyou to observe the Sabbath day” (Deuteronomy 5:15).

Regarding naturism and the words used in the bible to describe "good nudity" and "bad nudity" please have a look at my blog and comment. I can only learn from others.
http://naturisminsouthafrica.blogspot.com/2014/08/goodand-bad-nudity-when-talking-about_1.html

Have a blessed day.
Peter

 

[FlickTiny]

i personally don't see nudism as wrong. actually, the more a society insists on wearing clothes, the more taboo not wearing them becomes, and the more taboo not wearing anything becomes, the more perverts will be attracted to it because they love taboo stuff. nudism is a way to combat that. the more commonplace nudity is, the less perverts you have. jesus once said we will always have poor people, and in the same way, pervs are poor when it comes to body appreciation. you'll always have those. they'll lust at bodies that are either naked or perfectly clothed.

 

[MarcR]

What do you make of the passage in Genesis where the Lord makes aprons for Adam and Eve?

Ge 3:1-7
3 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
KJV

The following excerpt from my commentary may shed light on the above cited passage of Scripture:

1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

The serpent is a figure or representation of Satan. Subtil is the 17th century spelling of subtle. The question he asks attempts to cast God as stingy!

2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye be killed.

The woman (Eve is not named yet) adds to God’s Word, a dangerous thing to do! God said nothing about not touching it; (See: 2:17) also, in 2:17 God uses the active but here Eve uses the passive.

lest ye die. ןת ן literally lest ye be killed

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall surely not be killed:

surely not be killed: ןת תמ א Literally death ye shall not be killed

Both Strong and Brown Driver Briggs agree that ‘t’moot’ means kill in this form (no vahv immediately after the mem). This is an imperfect niphal roughly equivalent to our future passive form. This is a very subtle challenge to God’s Word. God said nothing about killing them and in fact they died a natural death. They could have had much more had they obeyed. They forfeit access to the tree of (eternal) life and close fellowship with God.
{Return to : Gen 2:17, Is 27:1 }

 5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing all things.

God alone has absolute omniscience (knowing everything). What is promised here is an unfolding omniscience. Consider the multiplication of knowledge from century to century and man’s ever increasing capacity to destroy mankind which results from having knowledge which is not subject to God’s authority.
{Return to: verse 22, Ge 24:50 }

6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

The woman is deceived. She desires to be as God, omniscient, even though God has warned that the act of acquiring omniscience will cause her death.

7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were exposed; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

The Hebrew word ‘arohm’ used here is the same as in 2:25; but in this context, it means exposed. It is not their nudity that gives rise to shame; since God had commanded them to procreate (have children). Most people are not embarrassed at being seen unclothed by their spouse. It is their guilt that is troubling them.

The knowledge gained brings neither happiness nor power; because God does not withhold those from man. God’s commandments are generally more for man’s benefit than God’s.
{Return to: Ge 2:25, 2Cor 5:3)

 

[MarcR]

I'm a blood bought spirit filled child of the Living God. I am also a naturist now I am in predicament what is the Bible's stance on naturism?

This response is likely to run counter to most of the responses you are likely to receive; but I believe that it is Scripturally based; and I hope others will recognize that.

1 Co 6:12
12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
KJV


1 Co 10:23-24
23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
24 Let no man seek his own, but every man another's wealth.
KJV

It seems that wearing clothes or not wearing clothes ought not to be the issue.

The first question that must arise is:

Can men and women be undressed in each other's presence without lusting after each other?

From what I have observed (NOT RECENTLY) at clothing optional beaches, and from what I have read: they can indeed!

The second question which must arise is:

Will this behavior cause brothers or sisters in my church to stumble?


It is not necessary that fellow church members unanimously agree that the behavior is acceptable.

It is necessary to be sure that the behavior is NOT going to draw other believers into sin.

It is not necessary that the sin others are drawn into be sexual or sensual.

If the behavior causes others to gossip or have a critical spirit; that is good reason not to do it.

If the person in question already is a gossip or already has a critical spirit then the behavior is not deemed to be the cause of that.

If after reading the above you have peace about continuing your naturalism; then read Col 3:17. If you can in good conscience and sincerity thank God for the opportunity to be a naturalist; and can remove your clothes for His praise and glory: then go do it.

 

[FlickTiny]

nudist behavior doesn't cause someone to gossip. the gossipers alone guilty for misusing the occasion of asexual nudism.

 

[FlickTiny]

this is a good book here: Jim C. Cunningham

 

[mpaper345]

Adam and Eve had nothing to be ashamed of being naked because they had no sin as of yet.

The world could run around naked all day if there was no sin because people would not be lusting after each other.

If Adam and Eve did not sin and had children it would not matter if they were naked nobody would be sinning because of it.

Since people know good from evil because of Adam and Eve the world would be very wicked like Sodom and Gomorrah if everybody ran around naked.

Adam and Eve fashioned fig leaves to hide their shame,but God said,not so,and fully clothed them,which is man's attempt in the world to hide their shame,scantly doing anything about it.

 

[FlickTiny]

i'm not saying we should all be running around naked where it's too cold. but we also realize that wearing clothes can be just as wicked since people can be sinfully attracted to even the plainest of clothes.