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theanointedsinner

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dcontroversal said:
Above ground, still breathing and still eternally saved by grace through faith with no hoop jumping or religious keep myself saved strings attached.....
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keep that eternal perspective, it's never easy to keep that eternal perspective
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
You have way to many assumptions here my friend. I do not like to assum things when I read the word.

If baptism was required, Jesus would not just say it in one area

And by the way, We are saved in the NT the same way Abraham was. By faith, Not faith plus any works. Baptism is a work.

Not by works of righteoiusness which we have done (including baptism) but by Gods mercy he saved us by the washing (baptism) and renwal (new birth) of the HS.
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He reminds me of Sea Perch......
 
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theanointedsinner

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can any of you explain the wineskin parable, and when there's Jesus, no need to fast
 
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TruthTalk said:
I did my research its called the bible. And the rest of what you say about the wickedness in the Church and Pastors starting to stop preaching "the security of the believer", (osas), is pure speculation, there s no proof and this is just unverifiable nonsense, document you sources or keep quiet.

Where on earth do you come up with this junk news, you are promoting a social gospel and you should read your bible more often. The things you are saying even sound like junk news, document your sources.

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Romans6:15-18

15) What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means!
16) Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17) But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance.
18) You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.
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I could care less if every man on the planet preached against eternal security.....it would not change my mind, stance or belief...as a matter of fact most of so called Christianity embellishes faith with some sort of works based I keep myself saved drivel.....and or teaches it can be lost...<---Both false!
 
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dcontroversal said:
I could care less if every man on the planet preached against eternal security.....it would not change my mind, stance or belief...as a matter of fact most of so called Christianity embellishes faith with some sort of works based I keep myself saved drivel.....and or teaches it can be lost...<---Both false!
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be my hero
um, worship God first
 
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Philippians 3:12-16 Pressing on Toward the Goal Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been made perfect, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. Brothers, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus. All of us who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you. Only let us live up to what we have already attained.

1 Peter 1:9 for you are receiving the goal of your faith, the salvation of your souls.

2 Corinthians 4:18 So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.

Romans 8:24-25 For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what he already has? But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently.

Romans 15:4 For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.
 
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theanointedsinner

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God can work in mysterious ways

what if, God can use the idea that "OSAS is true", and work in mysterious ways that the idea actually saves a person, that person is obedient to Christ, etc.
 
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mailmandan said:
Jesus did not say that whoever is not baptized will be condemned. It logically follows that we get water baptized after we believe and are saved, but if no water is available (particularly due to a death bed conversion) you will still be saved because you BELIEVE which is in harmony with Mark 16:16(b); John 3:18; Acts 10:43; 13:39; 16:31 etc..

Jesus clarifies the first clause with "but he who does not believe will be condemned” in Mark 16:16. So once again, if water baptism is absolutely required for salvation, then why did Jesus not mention it in the following verses? (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26). What is the ONE requirement that Jesus mentions 9 different times in each of these complete statements? BELIEVES. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics .
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Agreed mailmandan. Proper Hermeneutics will keep you on solid ground and provide you with a proper interpretation. Anything less will guarantee a misinterpretation.

Let the bible "speak to you" and God will reveal His Truth to you. If you go searching for a verse to support your bias with an unsound argument, you will end up with a false interpretation. Learn the basic skills of proper interpretation, google it.

Biblical definition of Exegeses vs Eisegesis

Eisegesis. ... While exegesis is the process of "drawing out the meaning" from a text in accordance with the context and discoverable meaning of its author, eisegesis occurs when "a reader imposes his or her interpretation" into and onto the text.
 
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theanointedsinner

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may we possess a special ability to communicate the truth of salvation
 
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50C1AL0N3 said:
:eek: "Oh no Mr. Bill! How do we make sure we're going to Heaven?"
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if you are a work salvationist, and Romans 3:23 is true,
mind as well don't believe in heaven in the first place

wait heaven exist, and salvation is possible? *insert sarcasm here*
 
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dcontroversal said:
I could care less if every man on the planet preached against eternal security.....it would not change my mind, stance or belief...as a matter of fact most of so called Christianity embellishes faith with some sort of works based I keep myself saved drivel.....and or teaches it can be lost...<---Both false!
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d...,
You are right ...pay no attention to man's commentary.
But, best you follow The Bible and based on that comment you are not.
 
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mailmandan said:
Amen! Salvation is not probation.

You are correct.

Eternal life is not temporary life.

You are correct again.

Jesus is the door. He is not a revolving door.

Correct again....three for three...;)
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....Salvation...when received... after G-d's judgement.
Have you been judged by your Savior...yet? I suggest not if you are still alive on earth.
 
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We need no special ability to communicate salvation. The process of salvation is in God's Word. Salvation is explained simply in the scriptures: John 3:16. God has spoken His plan of salvation and mankind should not add unto it nor detract from it.
 
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preston39 said:
m...,
....Salvation...when received... after G-d's judgement.
Have you been judged by your Savior...yet? I suggest not if you are still alive on earth.
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So when God judges us with regards to salvation what will he judge us on in order to spend eternity with him?
 
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