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Judas was a follower, and was sent out with the others, but he was never a true believer, and he DID betray Jesus. To say otherwise just seems so wrong. He was one of the disciples and he betrayed Jesus to the religious authorities, knowing their intentions. Your reasoning is faulty. Jesus knew from the beginning who would betray Him! Jesus asked him, "Judas, are you betraying the Son of Man with a kiss?"
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Why call it quarrelling to settle an issue? It is an important point. Judas was never saved. He was not at any time a true believer. Jesus knew from the beginning who did not believe, and who would betray Him. Saying we cannot know when the very words of Jesus attest otherwise completely misses the mark.
Judas was..im not denying that but "doomed to distruction"..heck..anything bad in our lives make us a risk "doomed to distructiom"..excessive drinking..eating..etc
And obviously jesus was right..judas behaviour lead him to distruction...we can apply that to our lives today as well..does it mean we arent saved? MANY people have distrucyive behaviour
And obviously jesus was right..judas behaviour lead him to distruction...we can apply that to our lives today as well..does it mean we arent saved? MANY people have distrucyive behaviour
Exactly. And yet there are those here who say Judas did at one time believe. They cannot have it both ways, saying on the one hand you cannot lose your salvation, but Judas believed and was still doomed to destruction for betraying Jesus. Scripture is clear on this point and there should be no confusion about it. Judas was never a true believer in Jesus Christ, even though he was one of the 12.
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Judas is Satan's son . . . incarnate as Judas ("one of you is a devil") and will return during the tribulation as the Antichrist (the beast). He committed suicide as Judas and 'went to his own place" and at the end of the tribulation he will return to his place, the lake of fire.
"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever" (Revelation 20:10).
"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever" (Revelation 20:10).
Like i said..truthtalk posted scripture and i hope you had a chance to read that post..otherwise we're going to have to agree to disagree...God judges hearts and like the thief on the cross..no one knows judas heart before His death other than he felt remorse for his actions toward Jesus..
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