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Yes, I see your point, however thankfully most of us hear, only count GENUINE FAITH that IS ETERNAL, and the temporary faith, is those who have not been BORN AGAIN yet.

Here is another example of Temporary Faith:

James 2:19 (NIV)
19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that--and shudder.

Those born again will not lose their saving faith. They cannot because Jesus Christ Our Lord and Savior made sure of that the moment He granted us eternal life through our "faith" in His gift of salvation.
 

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Men are also incredibly visually stimulated. There's the problem. The other problem is most women know that men are turned on visually and dress provocatively because, if they were honest, they adore the attention. They enjoy that feeling of power and control.

It's why the beauty industry is a billion dollar business. Women tie up so much of their worth in their looks, that when their looks start to fade (usually with that first wrinkle or gray hair) they panic, and buy any product that promises them a youthful look.

Back in my drinking days, there was nothing sadder than that woman in a bar that no one bought a drink for. Who has come to the realization that the days of men fawning over her were over.

Yet, I'd take a mature, wise, and confident woman, over a young, gum-snapping, drama-laden, looks-obsessed younger woman any day of the week. :)

Not to say all older women or younger women are like that, of course. ;)

Happy you put that last sentence in your post. LOL. I'm an older woman and snap gum too.
 

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This is a little off topic of this thread but since we are speaking about church a lot in it, what is a non-denominatial church, really? Is it a church of works, nonreligious, or is it a con on Christians to take them about from a denominational church?
 

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Men are also incredibly visually stimulated. There's the problem. The other problem is most women know that men are turned on visually and dress provocatively because, if they were honest, they adore the attention. They enjoy that feeling of power and control.

It's why the beauty industry is a billion dollar business. Women tie up so much of their worth in their looks, that when their looks start to fade (usually with that first wrinkle or gray hair) they panic, and buy any product that promises them a youthful look.

Back in my drinking days, there was nothing sadder than that woman in a bar that no one bought a drink for. Who has come to the realization that the days of men fawning over her were over.

Yet, I'd take a mature, wise, and confident woman, over a young, gum-snapping, drama-laden, looks-obsessed younger woman any day of the week. :)

Not to say all older women or younger women are like that, of course. ;)
It's very sad really.

I hear what you are saying.

Society and advertising has so perveted the minds of people.

It homes in on insecurity, it homes in on wanting to be loved and accepted.

It's not only women but men as well.
 
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Catholics do not worship Mary.
Don't you know anything???????
Post something that states CAtholics worship Mary.

Worship; treat (someone or something) with the reverence and adoration appropriate to a deity.

Catechism of the Catholic church
"971 "All generations will call me blessed": "The Church's devotion to the Blessed Virgin is intrinsic to Christian worship."515 The Church rightly honors "the Blessed Virgin with special devotion. From the most ancient times the Blessed Virgin has been honored with the title of 'Mother of God,' to whose protection the faithful fly in all their dangers and needs. . . . This very special devotion . . . differs essentially from the adoration which is given to the incarnate Word and equally to the Father and the Holy Spirit, and greatly fosters this adoration."516 The liturgical feasts dedicated to the Mother of God and Marian prayer, such as the rosary, an "epitome of the whole Gospel," express this devotion to the Virgin Mary.517"

Luke 4:8
And Jesus answered and said unto him, It is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
 

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Worship; treat (someone or something) with the reverence and adoration appropriate to a deity.

Catechism of the Catholic church
"971 "All generations will call me blessed": "The Church's devotion to the Blessed Virgin is intrinsic to Christian worship."515 The Church rightly honors "the Blessed Virgin with special devotion. From the most ancient times the Blessed Virgin has been honored with the title of 'Mother of God,' to whose protection the faithful fly in all their dangers and needs. . . . This very special devotion . . . differs essentially from the adoration which is given to the incarnate Word and equally to the Father and the Holy Spirit, and greatly fosters this adoration."516 The liturgical feasts dedicated to the Mother of God and Marian prayer, such as the rosary, an "epitome of the whole Gospel," express this devotion to the Virgin Mary.517"

Luke 4:8
And Jesus answered and said unto him, It is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.



And that the LORD HIMSELF:

Revelation 2:14-16 (HCSB)
14 But I have a few things against you. You have some there who hold to the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to place a stumbling block in front of the Israelites: to eat meat sacrificed to idols and to commit sexual immorality.
15 In the same way, you also have those who hold to the teaching of the Nicolaitans. [Much more interested in money, than the Spiritual needs of the Congregation.]
16 Therefore repent! Otherwise, I will come to you quickly and fight against them with the sword of My mouth.
 

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This is a little off topic of this thread but since we are speaking about church a lot in it, what is a non-denominatial church, really? Is it a church of works, nonreligious, or is it a con on Christians to take them about from a denominational church?
From my point of view a "Non-Denomination" indicates it is independent from denominational churches such as Catholic, Lutheran, Presby, etc.
 

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Non-denominational is like going to a store and the label just reads "food" YOU DONT KNOW what you're gonna get. Most non-denominational churches around here are split offs from one of the bigger denominations, one charismatic leader split off cause they didnt give him no leadership in the previous church, now hes the big dog in the yard. CUT THAT CHECK BWOI

Atleast if it says: Pentecostal, Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran etc. You know whats what.
 

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Non-denominational is like going to a store and the label just reads "food" YOU DONT KNOW what you're gonna get. Most non-denominational churches around here are split offs from one of the bigger denominations, one charismatic leader split off cause they didnt give him no leadership in the previous church, now hes the big dog in the yard. CUT THAT CHECK BWOI

Atleast if it says: Pentecostal, Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran etc. You know whats what.
Maybe that's why the church today is a mess.

All have rules and regulations, must do dont do.

No point getting them through the door if they can't wait to leave by the back door.
No stewards on the back door.

Total lack of love and compassion and sadly acceptance.

Let's love people and let God sort them out.

For God so loved the world

So should we.
 
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You're taking those verses and overreaching. Jesus does not, I repeat, does not control the Holy Spirit or, for that matter, the Father. By your definition, they are like pets at the beck and call of Jesus.

They are co-equal. If either "controlled" the other, that equality would be shattered.
Not to mention they are ALL on the same page so to speak......each unique, but the same in power, scope and purpose....1 GOD manifested 3 ways.......
 
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I have spent time with Catholics that are Born Again, and I have to suspect you haven't. There is a Split festering that will one day will separate the Catholic-Catholics from the Christian-Catholics. It has been going on since the early 60's. Any Church that teaches these things is ONE of HIS Churches. AND REMEMBER, there are 5 CHURCHES that received Condemnation from CHRIST; and the one of those five is the Catholic Church. The style of Church it is, does not Necessarily fall along denominational barriers. The CHURCH is largely dependent upon what type of Christian the PASTOR IS. You have been so busy HATING THE CATHOLICS, that it has blinded you to the truly born again Christian Brothers and Sisters, that exist among the their denomination.

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BUT CHRIST RECOGNIZES THEM ALSO, so I am NOT going recognize LESS than HE DID. <------FALSE


I could care less what the above states....the Catholic church is not of God end of story.....and no where does he recognize the Catholic Church as a church from God.......from it's ORIGIN to what it espouses and the fact that EVERY catholic I know makes it plain and clear that they are NOT christian, but CATHOLIC speaks volumes

a. Pope worshiped as God
b. Pope's word overrides scripture
c. Infant baptism
d. Sacramental salvation
e. The worship of statues
f. The worship of finger nails, hair, teeth and bone fragments
g. The right to prepay for sins
h. Purgatory
i. Pope can make saints
j. Pray people out of hell
k. Rosary
l. Worship of Mary and her having intercessory power
m. Bread and wine turned into the actual flesh and blood of Christ
n. Universal church
o. Embracing all other branches of so called Christianity
p. Mother Church
q. Idol of JESUS in every building
etc

NO WAY.....and I have no problem in saying they are not of God and from Satan if anything......and I stand by my post...to say they are one of the Lord's churches is the most ignorant statement I have ever heard a believer spew........

They are NOT of GOD........they are as false as they come and even their origin is false....NOT TO MENTION THE FACT they KILLED, MURDERED, RAPED, BURNED, CRUCIFIED, DROWNED etc. some 60 to 80 MILLION people during the dark ages that REFUSED to confess int he ears of a priest and or take communion with the Catholic church......read the Foxe's Book of Martyrs or the Churches of the Valleys of Piedmont......then tell me they are one of God's churches.....

I cannot believe you would espouse and support such a SATANIC organization, much less state they are one of the LORD'S churches....that is idiotic
 

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^To add to what brother dcon said.

If you look at MOST Reformers in the 1500s they were all UNANIMOUS in declaring pope to be the antichrist. There is THAT , too!

Btw I find it amazing that Lutherans, episcopalians, church of england etc etc are going BACK to the catholic church with the ecumenical garbage. Whatever happened to the reformation?
 
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^To add to what brother dcon said.

If you look at MOST Reformers in the 1500s they were all UNANIMOUS in declaring pope to be the antichrist. There is THAT , too!

Btw I find it amazing that Lutherans, episcopalians, church of england etc etc are going BACK to the catholic church with the ecumenical garbage. Whatever happened to the reformation?
I cannot believe anyone saved would identify the Roman Catholic Church as one of the Lord's churches............that statement alone reeks of complete ignorance..............and contradicts almost everything the bible has to say about what one of the Lord's churches is........even how it was founded is false, it's roots are false, what they stand for is false, who they espouse and lift to the vicar of God is false, it reeks of idolatry, anti-Christian heresy and is no where near being a church that Christ identifies with.....make me sick
 

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I could care less what the above states....the Catholic church is not of God end of story.....and no where does he recognize the Catholic Church as a church from God.......from it's ORIGIN to what it espouses and the fact that EVERY catholic I know makes it plain and clear that they are NOT christian, but CATHOLIC speaks volumes

a. Pope worshiped as God
b. Pope's word overrides scripture
c. Infant baptism
d. Sacramental salvation
e. The worship of statues
f. The worship of finger nails, hair, teeth and bone fragments
g. The right to prepay for sins
h. Purgatory
i. Pope can make saints
j. Pray people out of hell
k. Rosary
l. Worship of Mary and her having intercessory power
m. Bread and wine turned into the actual flesh and blood of Christ
n. Universal church
o. Embracing all other branches of so called Christianity
p. Mother Church
q. Idol of JESUS in every building
etc

NO WAY.....and I have no problem in saying they are not of God and from Satan if anything......and I stand by my post...to say they are one of the Lord's churches is the most ignorant statement I have ever heard a believer spew........

They are NOT of GOD........they are as false as they come and even their origin is false....NOT TO MENTION THE FACT they KILLED, MURDERED, RAPED, BURNED, CRUCIFIED, DROWNED etc. some 60 to 80 MILLION people during the dark ages that REFUSED to confess int he ears of a priest and or take communion with the Catholic church......read the Foxe's Book of Martyrs or the Churches of the Valleys of Piedmont......then tell me they are one of God's churches.....

I cannot believe you would espouse and support such a SATANIC organization, much less state they are one of the LORD'S churches....that is idiotic
When I drive into work I listen to a radio station.

They have a thought for the day.
People from various religious backgrounds give their thoughts.

There is a guy in like. He is catholic passionist priest
He is such a gentle man and makes a lot of sense.

But on one occasion I was gobsmacked.

Basically he said that those who could not enter through the pearly gates, Mary was opening the back gate to enter in.