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VCO

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Man, I actually turned 71 last week, and already I feel OLDER. I even had to take a nap at 7:00 PM, a couple days ago.

 

star

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John 3:16 if that were the only verse in the bible stating eternal salvation, it would be enough. Work, hold onto, maintain are all man-made and delusional.
 
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EleventhHour

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John 3:16 if that were the only verse in the bible stating eternal salvation, it would be enough. Work, hold onto, maintain are all man-made and delusional.
Amen!

The gift of God is eternal life in Christ (Rom 6:23).

It does not state the loan of God is eternal life

A gift is freely given, it cannot be reclaimed. If it cannot be reclaimed then it cannot be lost.

I see more than delusion at work, the eternality and security of salvation is clear in scripture, these man made doctrines are created to deceive.
 
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I respectfully argue that the word “incorruptible” in 1 Corinthians 9:25 means we cannot lose our salvation.
And I would agree.....not to mention all of the other words, Greek verb tense, context and truths laid bare by Jesus, John, Paul, Peter etc.....even Job!!!
 

gb9

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and, to add, the message of the Cross is foolishness to all who are perishing.
 

Melach

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guess whos back???? back again! melachs back......... tell your friends

ok guys. whats going on here. you know guys i have so much energy now compared to past i say more hope it stays this way. we moved to new apartment now, so its better no black mold here so that was causing me to be so tired. now its night and day.
 

Melach

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The gospel is "hid" to works-salvationists. (2 Corinthians 4:3,4) :(
yes. you know i feel so sad for my family members. some of them are say yes by grace we cant add nothing to salvation by our works. but then on other days they are scared did i lose my place in heaven or did that guy lose it and they are always in doubt never sure. speaking both things kind of undecided territory and no matter how much times i show it, they forget it next week

are they saved? i dont know i hope so, i believe they are really sincere and their life is consumed by all things Jesus. they are better christians than me, i believe they just grow up in a environment thats causing them to be like that. hope God has grace for them in their doubts too. what you guys think?
 

Melach

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what does this mean guys

Romans 16:20
The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet. The grace of our Lord Jesus be with you.

what do you mean soon st.paul? written to romans 2000 years ago.. what does it mean?
 

Ruby123

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what does this mean guys

Romans 16:20
The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet. The grace of our Lord Jesus be with you.


what do you mean soon st.paul? written to romans 2000 years ago.. what does it mean?

Morning/Afternoon/Evening Melach, maybe it is referring to Jesus return??
 

blue_ladybug

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guess whos back???? back again! melachs back......... tell your friends

ok guys. whats going on here. you know guys i have so much energy now compared to past i say more hope it stays this way. we moved to new apartment now, so its better no black mold here so that was causing me to be so tired. now its night and day.

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EleventhHour

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what does this mean guys

Romans 16:20
The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet. The grace of our Lord Jesus be with you.


what do you mean soon st.paul? written to romans 2000 years ago.. what does it mean?
It is a call to sustain the fight against Satan...Paul always concerned in every letter of the effects of false teachers would have on the assembly of believers.

Kinda like what we have to do on this thread...:)
 
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EleventhHour

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yes. you know i feel so sad for my family members. some of them are say yes by grace we cant add nothing to salvation by our works. but then on other days they are scared did i lose my place in heaven or did that guy lose it and they are always in doubt never sure. speaking both things kind of undecided territory and no matter how much times i show it, they forget it next week

are they saved? i dont know i hope so, i believe they are really sincere and their life is consumed by all things Jesus. they are better christians than me, i believe they just grow up in a environment thats causing them to be like that. hope God has grace for them in their doubts too. what you guys think?
I have had experiences with people raised in evangelical churches, hear the gospel, know the gospel but have never make it something they make personal to them.

They have not yet made the mind heart connection.

Not saying this is your family ...but it came to my mind when I read your post

I was so envious of people raised in evangelical churches when I was born again...
not realizing they too sometimes do not grasp the Gospel completely.
 
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EleventhHour

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Quiet day on this thread ...maybe some people will come back realizing they were wrong all along!:)