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Grandpa

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If you still need a knowledge of sin. You are in deep trouble
Romans 7:4-6
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.


Doesn't it seem like almost no one understands Christianity?

It saddens me that even Pastors and people with Masters and PHD's in divinity and theology don't get it.


But then I remember 1 Corinthians 1:27-31 and I wonder if God likes to remind me (us) that any wisdom I think I have has entirely come from Him.
 
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I referenced 1 Corinthians 9:22 above.

I meant to reference 1 Corinthians 9:21.
Jesus said that He will be presenting us to the Father perfect in love. To pursue obeying the letter of the law to achieve salvation will result in being judged by the letter of the law which is certain death. It is much better to be led by the Spirit and do everything with that same love that is shared by the Father and the Son.
 

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If you still need a knowledge of sin. You are in deep trouble
No...because the knowledge of sin is given to us for the work of sanctification. The Holy Spirit pinpoints sin in our lives so that we can confess it to the Lord and be cleansed from all unrighteousness (1 John 1:7,9).
 

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Romans 7:4-6
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.


Doesn't it seem like almost no one understands Christianity?

It saddens me that even Pastors and people with Masters and PHD's in divinity and theology don't get it.


But then I remember 1 Corinthians 1:27-31 and I wonder if God likes to remind me (us) that any wisdom I think I have has entirely come from Him.
Nevertheless, the law of the Lord is written on the hearts and minds of those who are under the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 John 2:3-6).

The motions of sins are indeed by the law; and it is written that sin shall not have dominion over us because we are not under the law but under grace. But what is sin but the transgression of the law? So then, by being not under the law, we will have the result that we are obedient to it.
 

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Jesus said that He will be presenting us to the Father perfect in love. To pursue obeying the letter of the law to achieve salvation will result in being judged by the letter of the law which is certain death. It is much better to be led by the Spirit and do everything with that same love that is shared by the Father and the Son.
In doing so, we will inadvertently be obedient to the law, is all that I am saying (see, for example, Romans 13:8-10).
 

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Jesus said that He will be presenting us to the Father perfect in love. To pursue obeying the letter of the law to achieve salvation will result in being judged by the letter of the law which is certain death. It is much better to be led by the Spirit and do everything with that same love that is shared by the Father and the Son.
I agree that it is all motivated by love. Our righteousness is completely found in what Jesus did for us. It is a gift that we can not gain but our own works. To pursue obeying the law because the Spirit leads us or convicts us to is not the same as obeying it to achieve salvation. If i obey the law because i love Jesus i am not doing anything wrong. Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh_15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
1Jn_5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn_5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
The commandments are not the enemy, it is the motivation for keeping them.
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
 

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If they are not written in the Bible to do, I would not be able to justify it with the Bible.

And yet, I can justify Sunday worship with the Bible.

1) Jesus rose from the dead on the first day of the week.

2) When Paul preached in the situation with Eutychus in the book of Acts, it was on a Sunday night, on the first day of the week (Acts 20:7).



I am very far removed from such an ideology as I have been a believer for quite some time now.



Yes, the commandments.



Not that it is okay. It is very much not okay. But that the one who is truly born again (and is therefore inclined towards righteous living) is forgiven of past, present, and future sin (Romans 4:7-8, Romans 8:38-39, Hebrews 9:12) and is therefore not condemned by the law.

Is there then no motivation for keeping the law? There is a motivation...the Holy Ghost who dwells within us and has shed abroad His love in our hearts (Romans 5:5). We obey the ten commandments because of this love (Romans 13:8-10), (while the sabbath day is not a matter of a specific day but is fulfilled in the concept of what Jesus said in Matthew 11:28-30) and can be fulfilled on any day of the week that you may have to rest. As that is the spirit of what is written and not the letter (Romans 7:6).



And yet, if we did, the verse is saying that grace would indeed abound.

If they are not written in the Bible to do, I would not be able to justify it with the Bible.

And yet, I can justify Sunday worship with the Bible.

1) Jesus rose from the dead on the first day of the week.

2) When Paul preached in the situation with Eutychus in the book of Acts, it was on a Sunday night, on the first day of the week (Acts 20:7).

I am very far removed from such an ideology as I have been a believer for quite some time now.

1) You say Jesus rose from the dead on the first day of the week. The Bible say in (John 20:1) The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre. (2) Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.

Remember Mary did not come to the Grave site until the first day of the week which is Sunday, when it was yet. (John 20:1) "The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, (still dark) unto the sepulcher", And it was early in the morning and it was still dark. But Jesus had already risen. Now remember God's days start at evening and end the next evening.
So Jesus rose on the Sabbath day (Seventh day of the week, Saturday).


2) You say When Paul preached in the situation with Eutychus in the book of Acts, it was on a Sunday night, on the first day of the week (Acts 20:7).

Let's take a look closer look at (Acts: 20: 7) And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. Now let’s take a close look at this verse and dissect it a little. Notice Paul continued his speech until midnight! It was after sunset, but prior to midnight. The first day of the week in biblical times did not begin at midnight, as men begin it today.

The Lord’s days begin and end at evening (sunset). (Gen. 1:5) And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first. All biblical days began and ended at sunset. Throughout the Roman world at that time, and for a few hundred years afterward, days began and ended at sunset. The practice of beginning the new day at midnight was started much later.

So this meeting, and Paul’s preaching, took place during the time that we now call Saturday night. Remember when dealing with the Lord’s days the evening comes first. If you read more than just that one verse you would see what actually happen. Paul’s companions were engaged in the labor of rowing and sailing a boat while Paul was preaching that Saturday night and early Sunday. They had set sail Saturday night, after the sabbath had ended. Paul remained behind for one more farewell sermon. Then at day break Sunday morning, Paul set afoot, walking from Tro’-as to As’-sos to meet the ship. So actually Paul left Sunday Morning, but this verse (Acts: 20:7) says nothing about a change of the Lord’s holy sabbath day. And the term “break bread” simply means to eat, so every time Paul ate he broke bread, search it out for your self, the bible tells you to; (1Thess. 5:21) Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.


Again, Paul talks about two different laws in his writing. Everything you post I agree, but it's with the wrong understanding. You have to learn to separate the two laws Paul talks about. One law was nail to the cross which is the old letter the animal sacrificial law. The other law which is the Ten Commandments (Royal law) still good to this day and forever.

Paul says in Romans 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. In other words if there is no law there is no sin. Sin is not imputed or no blame can be accredited to any person when there is no law. Now, let’s see what Sin is according to the Bible in I John 3:4 it states, "whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." So if the law was nailed to the cross that would mean its okay to use the Lords name in vain, put other gods before HIM, make graven images and bow before them, pollute the Sabbath day, steal, commit murder, commit adultery and bear false witness. If all these things are okay to commit, then we might as well throw the Bible out the back door and do what ever feels good to us. This law is the Royal law (the Ten Commandments), not the animal sacrificial law.

Let me show you how both laws work together before Jesus died on the cross, and maybe you will see. Now let's begin by taking a look at both of the laws and how they worked together. We will see there were two laws given to Moses, they were the commandments and the sacrificial law. Watch how they worked together. And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a soul shall sin through ignorance against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and shall do against any of them: (Leviticus 4:1-2) The law in the scriptures above is the commandments.

Notice something else very important in these two scriptures. It states, "if a soul shall sin through ignorance." Notice that the scripture did not says on purpose. Why? There is no sacrifice for a sin that is committed willfully. Let's find out what was to be done if a person committed a sin against the Lord unintentionally. Let's skip down to the 27th verse and take a look at the second law (which is the sacrificial law).

And if any one of the common people sin through ignorance, while he doeth somewhat against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and be guilty; Or if his sin, which he hath sinned, come to his knowledge: then he shall bring his offering, a kid of the goats, a female without blemish, for his sin which he hath sinned. And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the sin offering, and slay the sin offering in the place of the burnt offering. And the priest shall take of the blood thereof with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and shall pour out all the blood thereof at the bottom of the altar. (Leviticus 4:27-30)

When the common people sinned through ignorance and it came to their knowledge, what did they have to do? They brought an offering, a kid of the goats, a female without blemish, for their sin which they had committed, then the priest would offer the animal to the Lord. Think about this for a moment. If an animal was killed for a person that committed sin, what will happen to us today if we a trespass against the Lord? We will find that out later. Now we see how the sacrificial law was used when a person broke a commandment unintentionally.

Let's go into Paul's writings and take another look at both of these laws. We will go into the Book of Galatians chapter 3. Now, let's read carefully! Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. (Galatians 3:19)

Take heed to what Paul's says above, "Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions." What is transgression? Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. (I John 3:4) Transgression is braking of the commandments. What law was added because of the braking of the law? The sacrificial law! It was added because of sin until the seed should come. Who is the seed?

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of one, and to thy seed, which is Christ. (Galatians 3:16) Who is the SEED? CHRIST! So, this law was added (which is the sacrificial law) until Christ came. What was the sacrificial law used for until Christ came? Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. (Galatians 3:24) The sacrificial law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ. This is the old letter!
 

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Romans 7:4-6
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.


Doesn't it seem like almost no one understands Christianity?

It saddens me that even Pastors and people with Masters and PHD's in divinity and theology don't get it.


But then I remember 1 Corinthians 1:27-31 and I wonder if God likes to remind me (us) that any wisdom I think I have has entirely come from Him.
True .. We are delivered from the law, Jesus paid the price of transgressing the law. And we serve what??? in Spirit now. The law.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Written on our hearts and minds Heb 8. The law is not destroyed it is still the standard but we are freed by the grace of Jesus.
 

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1) You say Jesus rose from the dead on the first day of the week. The Bible say in (John 20:1) The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre. (2) Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.

Remember Mary did not come to the Grave site until the first day of the week which is Sunday, when it was yet. (John 20:1) "The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, (still dark) unto the sepulcher", And it was early in the morning and it was still dark. But Jesus had already risen. Now remember God's days start at evening and end the next evening.
So Jesus rose on the Sabbath day (Seventh day of the week, Saturday).
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Sorry do your math again......

Friday afternoon Christ died. before dark.
When it got dark the seventh day started. The Sabbath day is from Friday sunset till Saturday sunset.
Saturday night at sundown was the beginning of the first day Sunday.

Mary came early Sunday morning, early on the first day. If Jesus rose between Sunset Saturday night and sunrise Sunday morning it was part of Sunday, or the first day.

The days started when the sun went down so Sunday started at sundown Sabbath afternoon.
 

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Because Jesus rose on Sunday does not mean that day was made holy.

God would have stated it clearly,
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

There is no verse in the bible that states that God sanctified the first day of the week. It is a presumption and to think Sunday is holy.

History is very clear that Sunday worship was introduced to please the sun worshipers in the early Christian era.
 

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So, was Saturday worship introduced to please those who worship Saturn?
 

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1) You say Jesus rose from the dead on the first day of the week. The Bible say in (John 20:1) The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre. (2) Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.

Remember Mary did not come to the Grave site until the first day of the week which is Sunday, when it was yet. (John 20:1) "The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, (still dark) unto the sepulcher", And it was early in the morning and it was still dark. But Jesus had already risen. Now remember God's days start at evening and end the next evening.
So Jesus rose on the Sabbath day (Seventh day of the week, Saturday).


2) You say When Paul preached in the situation with Eutychus in the book of Acts, it was on a Sunday night, on the first day of the week (Acts 20:7).

Let's take a look closer look at (Acts: 20: 7) And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. Now let’s take a close look at this verse and dissect it a little. Notice Paul continued his speech until midnight! It was after sunset, but prior to midnight. The first day of the week in biblical times did not begin at midnight, as men begin it today.

The Lord’s days begin and end at evening (sunset). (Gen. 1:5) And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first. All biblical days began and ended at sunset. Throughout the Roman world at that time, and for a few hundred years afterward, days began and ended at sunset. The practice of beginning the new day at midnight was started much later.

So this meeting, and Paul’s preaching, took place during the time that we now call Saturday night. Remember when dealing with the Lord’s days the evening comes first. If you read more than just that one verse you would see what actually happen. Paul’s companions were engaged in the labor of rowing and sailing a boat while Paul was preaching that Saturday night and early Sunday. They had set sail Saturday night, after the sabbath had ended. Paul remained behind for one more farewell sermon. Then at day break Sunday morning, Paul set afoot, walking from Tro’-as to As’-sos to meet the ship. So actually Paul left Sunday Morning, but this verse (Acts: 20:7) says nothing about a change of the Lord’s holy sabbath day. And the term “break bread” simply means to eat, so every time Paul ate he broke bread, search it out for your self, the bible tells you to; (1Thess. 5:21) Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.


Again, Paul talks about two different laws in his writing. Everything you post I agree, but it's with the wrong understanding. You have to learn to separate the two laws Paul talks about. One law was nail to the cross which is the old letter the animal sacrificial law. The other law which is the Ten Commandments (Royal law) still good to this day and forever.

Paul says in Romans 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. In other words if there is no law there is no sin. Sin is not imputed or no blame can be accredited to any person when there is no law. Now, let’s see what Sin is according to the Bible in I John 3:4 it states, "whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." So if the law was nailed to the cross that would mean its okay to use the Lords name in vain, put other gods before HIM, make graven images and bow before them, pollute the Sabbath day, steal, commit murder, commit adultery and bear false witness. If all these things are okay to commit, then we might as well throw the Bible out the back door and do what ever feels good to us. This law is the Royal law (the Ten Commandments), not the animal sacrificial law.

Let me show you how both laws work together before Jesus died on the cross, and maybe you will see. Now let's begin by taking a look at both of the laws and how they worked together. We will see there were two laws given to Moses, they were the commandments and the sacrificial law. Watch how they worked together. And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a soul shall sin through ignorance against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and shall do against any of them: (Leviticus 4:1-2) The law in the scriptures above is the commandments.

Notice something else very important in these two scriptures. It states, "if a soul shall sin through ignorance." Notice that the scripture did not says on purpose. Why? There is no sacrifice for a sin that is committed willfully. Let's find out what was to be done if a person committed a sin against the Lord unintentionally. Let's skip down to the 27th verse and take a look at the second law (which is the sacrificial law).

And if any one of the common people sin through ignorance, while he doeth somewhat against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and be guilty; Or if his sin, which he hath sinned, come to his knowledge: then he shall bring his offering, a kid of the goats, a female without blemish, for his sin which he hath sinned. And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the sin offering, and slay the sin offering in the place of the burnt offering. And the priest shall take of the blood thereof with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and shall pour out all the blood thereof at the bottom of the altar. (Leviticus 4:27-30)

When the common people sinned through ignorance and it came to their knowledge, what did they have to do? They brought an offering, a kid of the goats, a female without blemish, for their sin which they had committed, then the priest would offer the animal to the Lord. Think about this for a moment. If an animal was killed for a person that committed sin, what will happen to us today if we a trespass against the Lord? We will find that out later. Now we see how the sacrificial law was used when a person broke a commandment unintentionally.

Let's go into Paul's writings and take another look at both of these laws. We will go into the Book of Galatians chapter 3. Now, let's read carefully! Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. (Galatians 3:19)

Take heed to what Paul's says above, "Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions." What is transgression? Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. (I John 3:4) Transgression is braking of the commandments. What law was added because of the braking of the law? The sacrificial law! It was added because of sin until the seed should come. Who is the seed?

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of one, and to thy seed, which is Christ. (Galatians 3:16) Who is the SEED? CHRIST! So, this law was added (which is the sacrificial law) until Christ came. What was the sacrificial law used for until Christ came? Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. (Galatians 3:24) The sacrificial law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ. This is the old letter!
Too long-winded of a post for me to respond to it.
 

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So, was Saturday worship introduced to please those who worship Saturn?
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

It was given to remember our creater and Lord. which we should do every day, but the Sabbath was made Holy and Sanctified.
Sanctified = set apart for holy use.
 

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Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

It was given to remember our creater and Lord. which we should do every day, but the Sabbath was made Holy and Sanctified.
Sanctified = set apart for holy use.
My point is that Saturday worship was not instituted to please those who worship Saturn; it can be concluded that Sunday worship was not instituted to please those who worship the sun.

The reality is that Jesus rose from the dead on the first day of the week and so did Paul in the situation with Eutychus.

It indicates that it was likely a practice of the early church to meet on Sunday by the time that situation came about.

And, according to @BroTan's argument, Paul actually preached from Sunday night to Monday morning; however it should be clear that the day that preceded Paul's preaching was the first day of the week (Sunday).
 

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My point is that Saturday worship was not instituted to please those who worship Saturn; it can be concluded that Sunday worship was not instituted to please those who worship the sun.

The reality is that Jesus rose from the dead on the first day of the week and so did Paul in the situation with Eutychus.

It indicates that it was likely a practice of the early church to meet on Sunday by the time that situation came about.

And, according to @BroTan's argument, Paul actually preached from Sunday night to Monday morning; however it should be clear that the day that preceded Paul's preaching was the first day of the week (Sunday).
We can preach any day and that does not change the day that God made Holy. We can pray and fast, and worship everyday of the week but that doesn't make those days holy. Only God can make something Holy.
and the only day made holy was the seventh day at creation.

Act_13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
Act_13:27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.

Act_13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
Act 13:43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
Act_13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Act_17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Act_18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
 

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You should be fully convinced in your own mind about what you believe.

And I am to receive you; but not so that we can argue over doubtful disputations.
 

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Because Jesus rose on Sunday does not mean that day was made holy.

God would have stated it clearly,
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

There is no verse in the bible that states that God sanctified the first day of the week. It is a presumption and to think Sunday is holy.

History is very clear that Sunday worship was introduced to please the sun worshipers in the early Christian era.
Sunday was "introduced" because it was the day Christ rose and Christians, showing their liberty and freedom from the Law, decided to worship that day instead of emulating the Jewish religion.
 

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True .. We are delivered from the law, Jesus paid the price of transgressing the law. And we serve what??? in Spirit now. The law.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Written on our hearts and minds Heb 8. The law is not destroyed it is still the standard but we are freed by the grace of Jesus.
How is resting on saturdays spiritual?

How was resting on saturdays written on our hearts and minds if we worship on sunday and feel NO guilt whatsoever?


How can we be dead to the law but still work at it in our own knowledge and strength?


These are easy questions.


The Ministration of Sin and Death (the 10 commandments) aren't written on our hearts. The Ministration of Righteousness is what is written on our hearts. The Law of Liberty. The Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus is what is written.

Gods Actual Laws are written on our hearts. Not commandments commanding us to keep His Laws.
 

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How is resting on saturdays spiritual?

How was resting on saturdays written on our hearts and minds if we worship on sunday and feel NO guilt whatsoever?


How can we be dead to the law but still work at it in our own knowledge and strength?


These are easy questions.


The Ministration of Sin and Death (the 10 commandments) aren't written on our hearts. The Ministration of Righteousness is what is written on our hearts. The Law of Liberty. The Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus is what is written.

Gods Actual Laws are written on our hearts. Not commandments commanding us to keep His Laws.
There is no law against bearing the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23).

Therefore, if we do so, we will be law-abiding citizens of the kingdom of heaven.

And I would say unequivocably that Galatians 5:16-24 tells us what is the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus.

(think and ponder).
 

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There is no law against bearing the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23).

Therefore, if we do so, we will be law-abiding citizens of the kingdom of heaven.

And I would say unequivocably that Galatians 5:16-24 tells us what is the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus.

(think and ponder).
What does resting on saturdays have to do with the fruit of the spirit?
 
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