Paul's Teaching were aimed towards the Gentiles

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Nehemiah6

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Paul covers every area us GENTILES need to be better Followers of Christ.
Paul also addresses Hebrew Christians in depth. Primarily in the epistle to the Hebrews, but all in Galatians and other epistles. Furthermore, on all his missionary journeys, he always went to the synagogues and ministered to the Jews firsrt. So even though Paul was commissioned as apostle to the Gentiles, both Peter and Paul ministered to both groups.

As to your reference to baptism, it is always in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. It is never connected to any apostle.
 

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Precious friend, so if I Rightly Divide God's Word Of Truth, noting the
Distinctions, And, following those that relevant for me {a Gentile}, and
let the ones relevant for ISRAEL ride, am I not on "a straight path,"
showing myself "Approved Unto God" (2 Timothy 2:15 KJB!)?

Distinctions In God's Two Different Programs: Prophecy vs Mystery!

Be Blessed!
the relevance of the Law to us is not that we live by doing it, but that it speaks of Christ in shadows, types and signs - He who is Life, eternal :)
so a straight path in it is learning of Him through it -- not disregarding it, neither looking at it as though it is the covenant He has made with us.
 

AandW

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Paul also addresses Hebrew Christians in depth. Primarily in the epistle to the Hebrews, but all in Galatians and other epistles. Furthermore, on all his missionary journeys, he always went to the synagogues and ministered to the Jews firsrt. So even though Paul was commissioned as apostle to the Gentiles, both Peter and Paul ministered to both groups.

As to your reference to baptism, it is always in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. It is never connected to any apostle.


Excellent Post!

But isn't it odd that none of the Apostles ever Baptized Father-Son-Holy Spirit?
And Paul twice discusses Baptizing in the Name of the One Who was Crucified and claims himself was Baptized in that way?

Many claim Luke reflects Matthew, but even Luke doesn't claim Jesus said Father-Son-Holy Spirit.
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

And even if there is reason to think Mark 16 was added in later around the 3rd Century, it does not include Father-Son-Holy Spirit.
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.


There are literally 8 references to [In the Name of Christ] and only 1 reference to [Father-Son-Holy Spirit] concerning Water Baptism.

Why are the other 8 examples different from Matthews Version?
Luke is not even a Disciple or Apostle and he wrote it differently than Matthew as well.

The Mathematics here literally does not add up.
Why?
 

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What does it mean if we're going to be water Baptized but refuse to do it as the Teacher of the Gentiles taught to do it?
Paul, and each baptism told of in scripture has water involved in the baptism. We are not to get so caught up in the earthly things (water as an earthly substance instead of as representing the spiritual) that we only see the literal water and not the spiritual baptism.
 

AandW

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Paul, and each baptism told of in scripture has water involved in the baptism. We are not to get so caught up in the earthly things (water as an earthly substance instead of as representing the spiritual) that we only see the literal water and not the spiritual baptism.
Amen!

And please, I am not debating here for this Baptism is better or correct versus another. This is an open monologue about the observations of Scripture. If I was not saved and knew 8 Verses claim to be Baptized in Christ and only 1 claimed in the Father-Son-Holy Spirit, I would immediately question why all Water Baptism Formulas are not the same in the New Testament. And most likely, I would choose there are 8 examples this way and only 1 example of the other, so it makes sense to go with the 8 over the 1. That is simply logic at its best.

But that does leave such a big discrepancy that all 9 Verses don't back one another when 2 Verses are of the same Event of the one Verse that is different.

To me, it makes excellent discussion material.

And every answer so far has been excellent responses.
 

Nehemiah6

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The Mathematics here literally does not add up. Why?
Economy of words. To baptize in the name of Jesus was indeed to baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. And to prove that this was an ESTABLISHED PRACTICE all you have to do is read the Didache from the 2nd century. And for the last 2,000 years (or more) all Christians followed the commandment of Christ (vs any abbreviation). That was a commandment, and the record of Matthew is indisputable. All the modern versions have it, and so does Jerome's Latin Vulgate.
 

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Economy of words. To baptize in the name of Jesus was indeed to baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. And to prove that this was an ESTABLISHED PRACTICE all you have to do is read the Didache from the 2nd century. And for the last 2,000 years (or more) all Christians followed the commandment of Christ (vs any abbreviation). That was a commandment, and the record of Matthew is indisputable. All the modern versions have it, and so does Jerome's Latin Vulgate.
Excellent Post and I agree 100%
 

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Economy of words. To baptize in the name of Jesus was indeed to baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

Agreed. Any name of the persons of the Trinity is sufficient to represent them all. Being baptized in the name of the Father, or the Son, or the HS is the same as in the name of all three etc.
 

Pilgrimshope

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I've seen several times on this Forum reading through the hundreds of Topics the argument based upon that Paul's Teachings were specifically designed for the Gentiles. We know Peter was focusing upon the Jews and Paul was setting up Churches in the nearby Nations surrounding Israel.

This thread is just to see how many truly hold to Paul's Teachings.

1) We know the Grace Message is specifically from Paul
2) We know the Gifts of the Holy Spirit are taught to us from Paul
3) Paul taught us the specifics to Christ's own Teachings
4) Paul covers every area us GENTILES need to be better Followers of Christ.

But how many, who are claiming to follow the Message of Paul, were Baptized like he Taught?

Here is a Verse from Paul's writings to the Corinthians:
13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized into the name of Paul?

Paul only Baptized 2 people because he feared people would claim they were Baptized [in the Name of Paul]. And because of this fear, Paul emphasizes what Name should be used during Baptism, the One Who was Crucified for all of us. Who was Crucified for all of us? Yeshua was.

So my question is simple.
If us Gentiles are following the Teachings of Paul, did we follow his Teachings by being Baptized in the Name of the One Who was Crucified for us?

I think I need to be re-Baptized if I am to follow Paul's Teachings since I am technically a Gentile!

What do you think?
it’s strange how you constantly exalt Paul he would rebuke you as he did those who made the Paul only arguments in scripture

“Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭1:12-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Cepheus is Peter Paul’s telling you plainly Peter or Paul make no difference it’s Jesus that matters

If you want Paul’s doctrine here’s where it comes from it’s the exact same thkngs the law and prophets both had said was going to come

“But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come: That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭26:20, 22-23‬ ‭

Paul’s doctrine came from the law me prophets and was preached to gentile and jew just as all the others preached to Gentile and jew

“And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Paul said nothing new , he received revelation and understood what was in the prophets and law out Jesus his lord


“But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭9:15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s the same commission the rest of them all received “ go preach the gospel to every creature “ Paul was given the same commission “ preach to jew and gentile “
 

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Jesus admonished His own disciples before and after the cross saying that if they understood what was written long ago they would have already known about His death, burial and resurrection before it happened.

No one's personal ignorance or lack of understanding changes the truth.
Amen it’s the same doctrine he taught them all

“Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come: That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭26:22-23‬ ‭

it’s the same revelation he gave the other disciples Paul’s commission he says he was carrying out

“Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

And ye are witnesses of these things.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:45-48‬ ‭

It’s exactly what Paul claims to be preaching with the help of God just what e prophets said was coming
 

AandW

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it’s strange how you constantly exalt Paul he would rebuke you as he did those who made the Paul only arguments in scripture

“Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭1:12-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Cepheus is Peter Paul’s telling you plainly Peter or Paul make no difference it’s Jesus that matters

If you want Paul’s doctrine here’s where it comes from it’s the exact same thkngs the law and prophets both had said was going to come

“But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come: That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭26:20, 22-23‬ ‭

Paul’s doctrine came from the law me prophets and was preached to gentile and jew just as all the others preached to Gentile and jew

“And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Paul said nothing new , he received revelation and understood what was in the prophets and law out Jesus his lord


“But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭9:15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s the same commission the rest of them all received “ go preach the gospel to every creature “ Paul was given the same commission “ preach to jew and gentile “
Interesting how you think I am exalting Paul by using him as the subject piece to those who do exalt Paul.
 

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I've seen several times on this Forum reading through the hundreds of Topics the argument based upon that Paul's Teachings were specifically designed for the Gentiles. We know Peter was focusing upon the Jews and Paul was setting up Churches in the nearby Nations surrounding Israel.

This thread is just to see how many truly hold to Paul's Teachings.

1) We know the Grace Message is specifically from Paul
2) We know the Gifts of the Holy Spirit are taught to us from Paul
3) Paul taught us the specifics to Christ's own Teachings
4) Paul covers every area us GENTILES need to be better Followers of Christ.

But how many, who are claiming to follow the Message of Paul, were Baptized like he Taught?

Here is a Verse from Paul's writings to the Corinthians:
13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized into the name of Paul?

Paul only Baptized 2 people because he feared people would claim they were Baptized [in the Name of Paul]. And because of this fear, Paul emphasizes what Name should be used during Baptism, the One Who was Crucified for all of us. Who was Crucified for all of us? Yeshua was.

So my question is simple.
If us Gentiles are following the Teachings of Paul, did we follow his Teachings by being Baptized in the Name of the One Who was Crucified for us?

I think I need to be re-Baptized if I am to follow Paul's Teachings since I am technically a Gentile!

What do you think?
I was sprinkled as an infant. I do not consider that to be baptism. My parents were not churchgoers and my dad was an ardent atheist. I was not raised as a Christian. I know the reasoning behind infant sprinkling. I respect the position, I just don't agree.

When I was born again, it was through an evangelist who believed in sprinkling babies. So I had no knowledge of believer's baptism. That's one reason why I do not believe salvation depends on baptism. When eventually I learned the truth, I applied to be baptised and I was.

Those who listened to the apostles on the first evangelistic rally were Jews. Peter and the others told them to be baptised also. So it's not a teaching intended for Gentiles alone.
 

oyster67

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Paul's Teaching were aimed towards the Gentiles

Paul's teachings are for everyone. Paul taught that there is no difference...

Romans
3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
3:22 Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
 

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Pauls teachings was to bring light to the shadows of the (whats referred to as the )old testament.
To the jew he would take the law and the appointed times and show how it all pointed to christ.
To the gentile he would point out the teachings of christ and his way and show how it fulfilled the law and apointed times.
There is no such thing as a christian jew but there are born again christians.
Remember gentiles are grafted into Judaism not the other way around.
Ive heard of many reasons why water baptism takes place but yet i ask what is the reason.
Jesus was baptised yet he never baptised why? Yet he includes it in his commandment to preach the gospel.
I have a theory on this but i must explaine myself first.
I have no affiliation with the Hebrew roots Ministry. I am not a Hebrew (jew) .
I am a born again christian just as most of you
The lord has laid upon my heart and mind to study the old testament its shadows and law.
To study the history of israel and its people.
I am not well spoken nor am a accomplished typists so i choose some videos to explaine my findings.
I listen to 5 to 7 teachings a day from different pastors and also listen to 3 to 5 Messianic rabbi daily.
Ive have a conviction that the church has christianised alot of jewish customs and practices which were given to them by God.
In short we need to understand the old as well as the new....thats what pauls message was about.
If we are called in this age of grace to preach the gospel then we must also preach of its foundation which is Christ both old and new.
This is exactly what jesus did after his resurrection.
Being born again means we were and are grafted into the tree of life whos roots go further back than 2000 yrs ago.
Did you ever consider our king is a jew who choose 11 jews then saul later to become paul of the Sanhedrin to teach us to be christian?
There are no greek or jew because all are sons of God because of Christ Jesus.

More on the water baptism later.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Interesting how you think I am exalting Paul by using him as the subject piece to those who do exalt Paul.
Yes because I read your post I deduced the complex code

I was just saying you would be among the group arguing about whether you were a disciple of Paul while others were disciples of Peter . Which I’m sorry but isn’t that what you are saying ? And wouldn’t you sort of be right on the middle of the argument about which apostle was legit ? This I think is what Paul would say To ya

“For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.

Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.

For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭1:11-15, 17-18‬ ‭

it didn’t matter if they had heard from Paul or Peter or Apollos what mattered was they had heard the gospel and believed according to scripture

Since you prefer Paul listen to him

“That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭3:6-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Gentiles aren’t a seperate people they and the Israelites are now one people with no difference made so by the gospel

“Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2:11-13, 18-22‬ ‭
 

AandW

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Yes because I read your post I deduced the complex code

I was just saying you would be among the group arguing about whether you were a disciple of Paul while others were disciples of Peter . Which I’m sorry but isn’t that what you are saying ? And wouldn’t you sort of be right on the middle of the argument about which apostle was legit ? This I think is what Paul would say To ya

“For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.

Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.

For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭1:11-15, 17-18‬ ‭

it didn’t matter if they had heard from Paul or Peter or Apollos what mattered was they had heard the gospel and believed according to scripture

Since you prefer Paul listen to him

“That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭3:6-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Gentiles aren’t a seperate people they and the Israelites are now one people with no difference made so by the gospel

“Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2:11-13, 18-22‬ ‭
I don't prefer Paul.
Go read my other posts.
I use everyone, Book, Chapter, Writer according to the question being asked.
You're reading into something that is not there.
I would choose Christ's Words or Peters over Paul's any day until it comes to the Gifts of the Holy Spirit.
Paul's version of Baptism matches Luke's, Marks, Peters, and the other 5 examples of Water Baptism found within the Book of Acts.
I know most are Baptized Matthew 28:19.
But why if they they think Paul is correct on everything else?
Shouldn't they also be Baptized according to Paul if they use Paul for everything else?
Seems strange to use Paul Paul for their Grace Message, their Gifts Message, their example of living for Christ example, but not be Baptized like Paul.
That was my entire Point.
How you have completely missed that is quite astonishing to be honest.
You've really went off into the deep end on this one!
 

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I don't prefer Paul.
Go read my other posts.
I use everyone, Book, Chapter, Writer according to the question being asked.
You're reading into something that is not there.
I would choose Christ's Words or Peters over Paul's any day until it comes to the Gifts of the Holy Spirit.
Paul's version of Baptism matches Luke's, Marks, Peters, and the other 5 examples of Water Baptism found within the Book of Acts.
I know most are Baptized Matthew 28:19.
But why if they they think Paul is correct on everything else?
Shouldn't they also be Baptized according to Paul if they use Paul for everything else?
Seems strange to use Paul Paul for their Grace Message, their Gifts Message, their example of living for Christ example, but not be Baptized like Paul.
That was my entire Point.
How you have completely missed that is quite astonishing to be honest.
You've really went off into the deep end on this one!
basing anything on Paul’s letters as a foundation of Christianity is erroneous is
My point Obviously my response is to your original Post I’m. It basing it on every post you have made but on the argument you are making in the op regarding Paul’s letters

what you I don’t think understand is those letters are only a drop in the bucket and you have no clear view of certain things in Paul’s Letters . Consider the letter to the Ephesians church

but first realize this part Paul had spent three years with them preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God about repentance deeds of faith , lives among them earning hen day and night to repent and turn to God by thier actions .

also warned them that after he had left them others would come and start distorting his message within the church

“And from Miletus he sent to Ephesus, and called the elders of the church.

And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have shewed you, and have taught you publickly, and from house to house, Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more. Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men. For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.

For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭20:17, 20-21, 25-27, 29-31‬ ‭

when we read the Ephesians letter we shouldn’t have the mirage that three years of in person preaching the gospel of kingdom of God , warning them again and again even he says with tears the. Is magically instilled in a letter that was sent back to these people who had already accepted and believed thy gospel of the kingdom to address a specific issue at the time and offer encouragement

Paul’s letters are just glimpses into what he taught is the point to base anything on them is like Making a foundation out of pebbles and rocks , when the gospel of the kingdom is the rock of salvstion and we have four accounts that are relatively exhaustive

Paul was always writing letters to believers of the gospel that men like his partner Luke recorded for us.

“Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us, Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word; It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus, That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭1:1-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s doctrine , Paul’s letters are compliments and companions of the gospel full of the understanding about grace and also repentance and eternal
Judgement

Paul was always preaching to people who had already heard the gospel d then he came offering revelation he’s a servant of the people and messenger of the gospel not to gentile only or specifically but to all creatures like the others

his writings don’t require knowledge of prophecy Gentiles re able to grasp the gospel more by accompanying them with Paul’s letters.

With Paul’s letters those personal arguments he makes about his authority are there for reason. They didn’t fully trust him he hadn’t been from the beginning like the others he was suspect in some minds he always defended his position as an equal apostle we shouldn’t think Paul had any more or less than anyone else he was a wonderful brother and will sit on one of the twelve thrones of the apostles and have his name inscribed on the foundations of the new Jerusalem but he’s not different from Peter or James , John all we’re commanded tomoresch to anyone who would hear
 

pottersclay

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I'm sure you didn't mean that. We are grafted into the Vine, which is Jesus.
Was jesus a jew? Did he practice the the law and follow the feast days? Did he come to abolish or fulfill?
God's appointed times were established in genesis by him.
The fulfilment of the appointed times is yet to be. " For not one jot or tittle shall pass till all is fulfilled".
The jews didn't get it wrong but just didn't get it right. Now blindness is upon them for they did not know the time of their visitation.
Do we know the hour or day in which the Lord will return? Jesus gave us signs of his soon return these signs are according to the appointed times they are not random.
The next appointed time is the feast of trumpets which is observed as a time of repentance.
Don't you find it strange that John in the book of revelation says he heard a loud voice as a loud blast of a trumpet? Was he giving us a hint of just a example?
The old testament is the new hidden....the new is the old revealed.
 

oyster67

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Remember gentiles are grafted into Judaism not the other way around.
Was jesus a jew? Did he practice the the law and follow the feast days? Did he come to abolish or fulfill?
Jesus came to die on the Cross for our Sin and establish a better way that Judaism.

No, we are not grafted into Judaism (which is the denial of Jesus' first coming and His Atonement for our sins.)

Yes, we are grafted into Jesus who is the Vine and the New and better Way.