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#81
and thinking you keep the law....not happening!
You have a misunderstanding about Who is doing the keeping, for I look unto Christ Jesus:

Jud_1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

Do you believe the verse?

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Do you believe the verses?
 

dcontroversal

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Sin (1 John 3:4) is the bondage.

Act_8:23 For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.

2Pe_2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

Pro_5:22 His own iniquities shall take the wicked himself, and he shall be holden with the cords of his sins.

God's Law of Ten Commandments begins with Grace:

Exo 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

Psa 116:16 O LORD, truly I am thy servant; I am thy servant, and the son of thine handmaid: thou hast loosed my bonds.
I suggest Galatians and Hebrews....you are placing yourself in bondage and condemning yourself in the process...End of story.....

Only bewitched fools believe or promote starting with faith and finishing it off with the works of the law....and or an inferior way.....good luck!
 
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THE MORAL CHARACTER OF GOD AND HIS LAW:


[Quoted and Adapted from: "CAN PERSECUTION ARISE IN AMERICA?"; S. A. KAPLAN; PUBLISHED FOR THE RELIGIOUS LIBERTY ASSOCIATION; WASHINGTON, D.C. 20012; BY THE REVIEW AND HERALD PUBLISHING ASSOCIATION; WASHINGTON, DC 1967] -
http://www.bible-sabbath.com/Sabbath-Sunday/CanPersecutionAriseInAmerica.pdf

[01.]
God is JUST - [Romans 3:26]
His law is JUST - [Romans 7:12]

[02.]
God is TRUE - [John 3:33]
His law is TRUE - [Nehemiah 9:13]

[03.]
God is PURE - [1 John 3:3]
His law is PURE - [Psalms 19:7,8]

[04.]
God is LIGHT - [1 John 1:5]
His law is LIGHT - [Proverbs 6:23]

[05.]
God is FAITHFUL - [1 Corinthians 1:9]
His law is FAITHFUL - [Psalms 119:86]

[06.]
God is GOOD - [Nahum 1:7]
His law is GOOD - [Romans 7:12,16]

[07.]
God is SPIRITUAL - [John 4:24]
His law is SPIRITUAL - [Romans 7:14]

[08.]
God is HOLY - [Isaiah 6:3; 1 Peter 1:15]
His law is HOLY - [Exodus 20:8; Romans 7:12]

[09.]
God is TRUTH - [John 14:6]
His law is TRUTH - [Psalms 119:142,151]

[10.]
God is LIFE - [John 14:6]
His law is LIFE - [Matthew 19:17]

[11.]
God is RIGHTEOUSNESS - [Jeremiah 23:6]
His law is RIGHTEOUSNESS - [Psalms 119:172]

[12.]
God is PERFECT - [Matthew 5:48]
His law is PERFECT - [James 1:25]

[13.]
God is ETERNAL - [John 8:35]
His law is ETERNAL - [Psalms 111:7,8]

[14.]
God is PEACE - [Isaiah 9:6]
His law is PEACE - [Psalms 119:165]

[15.]
God is THE WAY - [John 14:6]
His law is THE WAY - [Psalms 119:30-32]

[16.]
God is SURE - [2 Timothy 2:19]
His law is SURE - [Psalms 19:7, 111:7,8]

[17.]
God is UNCHANGING - [Malachi 3:6]
His law is UNCHANGING - [Psalms 111:7,8]

[18.]
God is SWEET - [Psalms 34:8]
His law is SWEET - [Psalms 19:10, 119:103]

[19.]
God is WISE - [Psalms 111:10]
His law is WISE - [Psalms 19:7]

[20.]
God is OUR MEDITATION - [Psalms 63:6]
His law is OUR MEDITATION - [Psalms 1:2]

[21.]
God is JUDGE - [Psalms 50:6]
His law is JUDGE - [James 2:12]

[22.]
God is ENLIGHTENMENT - [Psalms 18:27]
His law is ENLIGHTENMENT - [Psalms 19:8]

[23.]
God is LOVE - [1 John 4:7,8]
His law is LOVE - [Romans 13:8-10]

[24.]
God is CLEAN - [Psalms 19:9]
His law is CLEAN - [Ezekiel 22:26]

[25.]
God is BLESSED - [Psalms 28:6]
His law is BLESSED - [Exodus 20:11]

[26.]
God is DELIGHT - [Psalms 37:4]
His law is DELIGHT - [Psalms 1:2]

[27.]
God is WONDERFUL - [Isaiah 9:6]
His law is WONDERFUL - [Psalms 119:18]

[28.]
God is LIBERTY - [Isaiah 61:1]
His law is LIBERTY - [James 1:25; Psalms 119:45]

[29.]
God is COMFORT - [Psalms 23:4]
His law is COMFORT - [Psalms 119:50]

[30.]
God is OUR SONG - [Revelation 15:3]
His law is OUR SONG - [Psalms 119:54]

[31.]
God is MERCIFUL - [Exodus 34:5]
His law is MERCIFUL - [Psalms 119:58]

[32.]
God is KNOWLEDGE - [Isaiah 11:2]
His law is KNOWLEDGE - [Psalms 119:66]

[33.]
God is HOPE - [Psalms 130:7]
His law is HOPE - [Psalms 119:74]

[34.]
God is LIFE - [Psalms 36:9]
His law is LIFE - [Proverbs 3:1,2]

[35.]
God is SOUND - [Proverbs 8:13,14]
His law is SOUND - [Psalms 119:80]

[36.]
God is UNDERSTANDING - [Psalms 147:5]
His law is UNDERSTANDING - [Psalms 119:99]

[37.]
God is HAPPINESS - [Psalms 146:5]
His law is HAPPINESS - [Proverbs 29:18]

[38.]
God is JOY - [Psalms 16:11]
His law is JOY - [Psalms 119:162]

 

dcontroversal

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#85
I actually have personal studies on both, in detail. I can go verse by verse if you would like? Can we begin with Hebrews?

I have an entire sermon just on the first word in Galatians 1:1.
So have I and faith plus law = false gospel of a different kind, no power to save, double cursed and only fools and bewitched follow such a dogma.....

What part of being justified by faith without the deeds/works of the law is too hard for you to understand......lose the rose colored religious glasses and you might see the truth!
 
#86
Ok, let's hear/see your verse by verse presentation on Hebrews 1 to begin with. You present your personal study on Hebrews 1:1, to start, and then I will post mine following yours, and then back and forth we can go verse by verse. Please begin a new thread on Hebrews (verse by verse), if you are willing to do this. I will be checking to see if the material is your own in each case.
 
#87
faith plus law = false gospel
Not sure why you are misunderstanding the position I presented.

Law (any) does not ever save anyone, anyhow. Never it's purpose. Even "faith" is not the saviour. Faith is that which takes hold of that which is offered.

It is God who saves (from sin (1 John 3:4)), and who justifies, thus the name of Jesus (JEHOVAH is (my) Saviour). I cited those verses.

Faith (being the gift of God; Ephesians 2:8) takes hold of God's salvation (also gift; 2 Corinthians 9:15), in Christ Jesus, who saves us from, not in, our sins (Matthew 1:21; 1 John 3:4).

Act_3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

It seems you are re-defining the definition of sin, apart from 1 John 3:4.
 

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I suggest Galatians and Hebrews....you are placing yourself in bondage and condemning yourself in the process...End of story.....

Only bewitched fools believe or promote starting with faith and finishing it off with the works of the law....and or an inferior way.....good luck!
Amen! I'm sure you have not forgotten about a certain former member of CC who was SDA (but is no longer with us) who terrorized Christian Chat for almost a year with his longwinded posts, full of scripture twisting, psycho babble, rhetoric and SDA propaganda. ALL he talked about was the Law and the 10 Commandments with a heavy emphasis on turning keeping the Sabbath day into a legalistic prescription for Christians under the New Covenant. Here is a statement below from one of his previous posts in which his true colors of teaching salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works" was made obvious (even though he tried to deny it). :cautious:

"There is another Gospel out there. What is the other Gospel? It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's Law (10 commandments) from the Cross. The counterfeit Gospel is out there. It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's 10 commandments from the plan of salvation. God’s Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ."

He also had a link to a website called, "TheBeastsMarkiscoming" that promotes the idea that those who worship God on Sunday and do not keep the 7th day Sabbath will receive the mark of the beast. - BeastsMark I Mark of the Beast I The Antichrist and the number 666

That ludicrous argument has been refuted by a former SDA member here - Bible Truth Versus Adventist Truth - Mark of the Beast

NOWHERE does the NT teach that keeping the Sabbath day is binding on Christians under the New Covenant. SDA's can quote a multitude of scriptures and twist those scriptures to say whatever they want to make them say, but to no avail. They are not fooling us.

Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel that is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant.

*Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

Even when SDA's set out to worship on the Sabbath, are they truly "keeping the Sabbath?" To "keep the Sabbath" as it was required in the Old Testament under the Old Covenant would involve compliance with specific regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that were strictly enforced.

If Sabbath day observances are still required, so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). So no kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath (Exodus 35:3). Every man must remain in his place on the sabbath (Exodus 16:29). No trading (Amos 8:5). No marketing (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19).

These were commanded by God to Israel (Exodus 35:1).

If the seventh day Sabbath is still in affect, then why do not the Sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the LORD commanded? How can a person keep a certain law when he keeps only part of it?

If the Sabbath day laws were still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the Sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people.

Who is going to enforce that? The Jewish synagogue? The Seventh day Adventist church? The Government? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did under the Old Covenant, no Sabbatarian can live consistently under these Mosaic regulations.
 
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He also had a link to a website called, "TheBeastsMarkiscoming" that promotes the idea that those who worship God on Sunday and do not keep the 7th day Sabbath will receive the mark of the beast. - BeastsMark I Mark of the Beast I The Antichrist and the number 666
I know that user to whom you refer, and his website (kinda neat if you ask me). He is on Christian Forums under the user name "LoveGod'sWord". I am not him, but I know him, even by name, and he knows me, at least by several user names on that forum.

This is my first time on this site and didn't even know it existed until another user invited me from another forum, a sister (non-SDA).
 
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Amen! I'm sure you have not forgotten about a certain former member of CC who was SDA (but is no longer with us) who terrorized Christian Chat for almost a year with his longwinded posts, full of scripture twisting, psycho babble, rhetoric and SDA propaganda.
More Ad Hominem, even of a person not even present on this board. Really??? C'mon mailmandan, please just stick to the scriptures. Saves time and space. Please, I am asking.

ALL he talked about was the Law and the 10 Commandments with a heavy emphasis on turning keeping the Sabbath day
I will defend a brother, knowing him. He indeed, is a defender of the faith once delivered to the saints, and rare among them also, seeing as he knows how to wield the sword of the word, cutting to ribbands, the excuses of disobedience and ad hominems.

into a legalistic prescription for Christians under the New Covenant.
Defamation of character too, even character assassination? Brother, you are on the same path of those who withstood Moses, and Jesus. Please think about this mode of reply. Please. I know brother "LoveGod'sWord" and he is most definitely not a legalist. He is neither liberal nor conservative, but "converted" and is passionate about His Lord of the Sabbath, and His Law and Eternal Kingdom.

Here is a statement below from one of his previous posts in which his true colors of teaching salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works" was made obvious (even though he tried to deny it). :cautious:

"There is another Gospel out there. What is the other Gospel? It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's Law (10 commandments) from the Cross. The counterfeit Gospel is out there. It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's 10 commandments from the plan of salvation. God’s Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ."
If you think that quote teaches "salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works"", then I cannot help you. It says no such thing. Thank you for posting it however. It will remain a testament to a faithful brother here.
 
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anyone who profaned the Sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people.

Who is going to enforce that?
Oh yes it still applies. I will explain, maybe tomorrow, who is going to enforce it and when.
 
#93
If Sabbath day observances are still required, so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). So no kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath (Exodus 35:3). Every man must remain in his place on the sabbath (Exodus 16:29). No trading (Amos 8:5). No marketing (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19).
Again, all still applies. I can probably get to these after the other, 'stoning', and who will carry it out and when and the where.
 

mailmandan

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I know brother "LoveGod'sWord" and he is most definitely not a legalist.
Yeah right! :LOL: Talk about deceived!

He is neither liberal nor conservative, but "converted" and is passionate about His Lord of the Sabbath, and His Law and Eternal Kingdom.
I knew it! You are just as deceived as he is. :( It's interesting that you knew exactly who I was talking about. :unsure:

If you think that quote teaches "salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works"", then I cannot help you. It says no such thing.
If you think that quote does not teach "salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works" then I cannot help you. In what universe does his erroneous quote not equate to "salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works?" Talk about deceived! o_O

Thank you for posting it however. It will remain a testament to a faithful brother here.
I posted it in order to expose his perverted SDA gospel. It will not remain a testament to a faithful brother here, but will remain a testament to exposing a perverted gospel and a wolf in sheep's clothing here. "LoveGodsWord" is his avatar name on Christian Forums, which he is currently terrorizing.
 

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WASHINGTON – A mega-pastor of one of the largest “evangelical” churches.....
I can stop reading there. Mega-church and you already know its going to be the usual apostate operating procedure. Get out of those mega-churches people, they are trash and the preachers are fake as can get. You dont need much street smarts to figure that out.

No surprise he said we need to be unhinged from the OT. That is MARCIONISM, its wicked. The O.T. is just as true as the N.T.
 

Hevosmies

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I will be thinking on it. I will also be thinking on why you must always, always make your replies personal, and belittle your fellowman?
Me and posthuman disagree on calvinism and i still consider him a brother in Christ. You can be a calvinist and still be saved, and I hope he also believes you can be a non-calvinist and be saved.

Dont take it too seriously, im sure he is writing in good spirit. I get a good feeling about this guy. He calls it like he sees it. I like that about a man. I would shake his hand and pay him due respect.
 

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I will be thinking on it. I will also be thinking on why you must always, always make your replies personal, and belittle your fellowman?
K, the reply of mine that you quoted was a general statement about characteristics common to all mankind, and it literally states as much.

if a person has trouble understanding things they should take care before they reply.
this also is a general statement applicable to all humankind.