So what about the fourth commandment?

[Zmouth]

I can usually tell a law keeper, because they like to use Hebraic words even though they are speaking English, and the only time they use these words in discussions of religion. If you want to keep the law, great, do it.

How does one sin unless they are under the law?

 

[BeyondET]

Ok, let's start here.
1. The Messiah said if you love Me, keep My commandments. If you have a problem with that, there is not much I can do.
2. Peter withdrew from eating with the gentiles. He did so because that was a man-made law, most likely by the Pharisees. There is no law in Torah that says Jews can't eat with gentiles.
3. God's law is not bondage. The thousands of added laws by the scribes and Pharisees, that was the bondage. Again, God's law is not bondage at all.
4. About circumcision, according to Shaul, these believer WERE circumcised, but with the circumcision of the heart. Himself and Shimone-Keefa both saw new believers receive the Ruach HaKodesh, the Holy Spirit. So yes, they agreed afterwards that physical circumcision was not necessary for the believers who had the circumcision of the heart.

To keep it true without breaking the commandment, I say you need a lunar calander and be prepared to tell you boss what days you have to be off work so as to keep the sabbath.

 

[disciplemike]

Romans 14 is about fasting. that is all.

 

[BeyondET]

wrong. all you have to do is count to 7.

Yes but you go by the signs in the sky for keeping it.

 

[BeyondET]

disciple Mike if you even mention a idol day say Saturday you broke the law.

 

[Zmouth]

To keep it true without breaking the commandment, I say you need a lunar calander and be prepared to tell you boss what days you have to be off work so as to keep the sabbath.

You don't even know the Commandments Jesus taught or you wouldn't be talking about the sabbath. LOL

Mark 12:29
29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:


Deut 6:1-6
6:1 Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
2 That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.
3 Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.
4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:


Geez, so where do you get the statutes in Deuteronomy 5 are Commandments?

And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them. Deut 5:1

And then accuse you brother of breaking the law. What does it say about bearing false witness?

 

[crossnote]

You are not listening. I told you what that passage in Romans was about, the law of marriage. But you don't want to see it. Why are you people so afraid of God's laws? Have you read Isaiah? We will be keeping Sabbath right on into the 1000 year reign of Messiah. Why would you not want Sabbath? It does not make sense.

But I showed you the larger context which you selectively ignore.
I have Sabbath...my rest is in the work Christ accomplished on my behalf (Heb 3 and 4), I enter into His rest.
Why would you settle for the shadows instead of the substance?

Colossians 2:16-17 KJVS
[16] Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days : [17] Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

 

[disciplemike]

Yes but you go by the signs in the sky for keeping it.

no, not for the weekly Sabbath. We just count to 7. very simple.

 

[Trail-of-Truth]

The law was practiced physically in the Old Testament, but is practiced spiritually in the New Testament. In the Old Testament we were under Moses, but now we are under Christ (New Testament). (Matthew 28:18, Matthew 17:1-5, Romans 7:1-4). The bible says that if you follow a law that you must follow all of that law. If you follow the Old Testament law (that Jesus finished and nailed to the cross) you'd have to find a 2,016 year old high priest to atone for your sins, because they don't exist anymore.

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

Hebrews 7:19
For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

Matthew 11:28
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

 

[disciplemike]

disciple Mike if you even mention a idol day say Saturday you broke the law.

what are you talking about? The Sabbath is a delight!

If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath,
[from] doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking [thine own] words: Isaiah 58:13 (KJV)

 

[BeyondET]

You don't even know the Commandments Jesus taught or you wouldn't be talking about the sabbath. LOL

Mark 12:29
29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:


Deut 6:1-6
6:1 Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
2 That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.
3 Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.
4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:


Geez, so where do you get the statutes in Deuteronomy 5 are Commandments?

And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them. Deut 5:1

And then accuse you brother of breaking the law. What does it say about bearing false witness?

Wrong your stating something that has nothing to do with what I was saying lol..

 

[disciplemike]

Hebrews 7:19
For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

Matthew 11:28
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Nice verses. I didn't see the one that told us to disregard God's Sabbaths.

 

[BeyondET]

You don't even know the Commandments Jesus taught or you wouldn't be talking about the sabbath. LOL

Mark 12:29
29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:


Deut 6:1-6
6:1 Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
2 That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.
3 Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.
4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:


Geez, so where do you get the statutes in Deuteronomy 5 are Commandments?

And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them. Deut 5:1

And then accuse you brother of breaking the law. What does it say about bearing false witness?

This comes from our past run ins no doubt I still feel it in your words

 

[disciplemike]

The law was practiced physically in the Old Testament, but is practiced spiritually in the New Testament. In the Old Testament we were under Moses, but now we are under Christ (New Testament). (Matthew 28:18, Matthew 17:1-5, Romans 7:1-4). The bible says that if you follow a law that you must follow all of that law. If you follow the Old Testament law (that Jesus finished and nailed to the cross) you'd have to find a 2,016 year old high priest to atone for your sins, because they don't exist anymore.

He didn't nail His Father's law to the cross. He nailed the handwriting of ordinances that were against us to the cross. In doing so, he spoiled principalities and powers. He triumphed over them.
Now, tell me, do you really think He triumphed over His Father???

 

[disciplemike]

But I showed you the larger context which you selectively ignore.
I have Sabbath...my rest is in the work Christ accomplished on my behalf (Heb 3 and 4), I enter into His rest.
Why would you settle for the shadows instead of the substance?

Colossians 2:16-17 KJVS
[16] Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days : [17] Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.[/QUOte

In Colossians 2:16-17, Shaul is telling the believers, don't let people judge you because YOU ARE keeping the holy days of God, and the dietary laws of God. And by the way, in verse 17, if you have a King Jimmy Bible, you will see that the word "but" is not there, It will be in italics in the KJV. This is how it should read: Which are a shadow of things to come for the body of Christ. (the Church)!

 

[Trail-of-Truth]

He didn't nail His Father's law to the cross. He nailed the handwriting of ordinances that were against us to the cross. In doing so, he spoiled principalities and powers. He triumphed over them.
Now, tell me, do you really think He triumphed over His Father???

I did not say He got rid of the law, I said He got rid of doing the law physically. For example, in the Old Testament they were physically circumcised, which is done away with because we are now spiritually circumcised (circumcision of the heart- which God performs during baptism (Colossians 2).

 

[Zmouth]

This comes from our past run ins no doubt I still feel it in your words

No, I don't recall having a run it with you, if you had a run it with anyone it wasn't with me. You are citing the covenant laws, which are not the everlasting Commandments, and if you don't believe Jesus when he told you his first Commandment, I don't know what to say. But if you ran into anything you ran into the word.

 

[BeyondET]

what are you talking about? The Sabbath is a delight!

If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath,
[from] doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking [thine own] words: Isaiah 58:13 (KJV)

I guess your not understanding words any use of a word to discribe a day say the word Saturday would be a form of idolism.

 

[disciplemike]

I did not say He got rid of the law, I said He got rid of doing the law physically. For example, in the Old Testament they were physically circumcised, which is done away with because we are now spiritually circumcised (circumcision of the heart- which God performs during baptism (Colossians 2).

And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh: That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.
Ezekiel 11:19-20 (KJV)