The Basics of Speaking in Tongues

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Kavik

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From Speaking in Tongues - Bernard

A great outline of how the Pentecostal/Charismatic redefining of scripture was made to fit, justify, and proof the concept of modern tongues.
 

Wansvic

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Only Pentecostals and Charismatics hold to that doctrine. The genuine spiritual gift of tongues was evident during the Apostolic Age. God enabled men to SUPERNATURALLY speak foreign languages which they had never learned or heard. This was primarily to convince unbelieving Jews that the power behind the Gospel was that of God, and this was a sign gift, a miracle.

And as Paul made it crystal clear in 1 Corinthians (1) not all would have the spiritual gift of tongues, (2) those who spoke would need an interpreter within the assembly, (3) Paul would rather have spoken 5 words of prophecy than 10,000 words in tongues, and (4) women were to keep silence in the churches.
There are two types of "tongue" experiences:

1. Upon the initial infilling of the Holy Ghost baptism each person will speak in tongues. (Acts 2:1-4, 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 10:44-48, 19:1-6)

2. Spiritual gift of speaking in different tongues or interpretation of tongues for the edification of the church body. (1 Cor 12:1-11)
 

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A great outline of how the Pentecostal/Charismatic redefining of scripture was made to fit, justify, and proof the concept of modern tongues.
Jude 17-25
But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;

18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,

21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:

23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
KJV
 

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Only Pentecostals and Charismatics hold to that doctrine. The genuine spiritual gift of tongues was evident during the Apostolic Age. God enabled men to SUPERNATURALLY speak foreign languages which they had never learned or heard. This was primarily to convince unbelieving Jews that the power behind the Gospel was that of God, and this was a sign gift, a miracle.

And as Paul made it crystal clear in 1 Corinthians (1) not all would have the spiritual gift of tongues, (2) those who spoke would need an interpreter within the assembly, (3) Paul would rather have spoken 5 words of prophecy than 10,000 words in tongues, and (4) women were to keep silence in the churches.
What about 'praying' in tongues? How do you take this passage?

For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. What is [the outcome] then? I will pray with the spirit and I will pray with the mind also; I will sing with the spirit and I will sing with the mind also. (1 Corinthians 14:14-15 NASB)
 

Kavik

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But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
This is one of the classic Pentecostal/Charismatic redefinitions -

Praying in the Spirit does not refer to the words one is saying. Rather, it refers to how one is praying. In the three places it is used (Corinthians, Ephesians, and Jude), there is absolutely zero reference to 'languages' in connection with this phrase. “Praying in the Spirit” should be understood as praying in the power of the Spirit, by the leading of the Spirit, and according to His will.

In Pentecostal/Charismatic parlance however, the phase has come to be equated with modern “tongues”, i.e. when one “prays in the Spirit”, one is typically engaged in some form of tongues-speech.
 

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What about 'praying' in tongues? How do you take this passage?
I will revert to the KJV, and we should ignore the word "unknown" (which was added). And verses 16 and 17 are necessary for the complete context.

1 CORINTHIANS 14
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For if I pray in an [unknown] tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding [MY MIND] is unfruitful.

15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding [THE MIND] also.

16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?

17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.


Contrary to what some people teach, THIS IS A REBUKE, not an encouragement.

Paul says that the one who prays in a foreign language supernaturally does not (and cannot) engage his mind in that prayer. And because it is unintelligible to others (particularly the unlearned) (a) they will not be able to add their "Amen" to that prayer, and (b) they will not be edified. Therefore the mind must be engaged in both hymns and prayers, and the prayers and hymns which are lifted up in the assembly must be intelligible to all, so that they can join in, say "Amen", and be edified.

And because that is the correct teaching, many have restored to what they call PRIVATE PRAYER LANGUAGE. But that is not really authorized in this passage.
 

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This is one of the classic Pentecostal/Charismatic redefinitions -

Praying in the Spirit does not refer to the words one is saying. Rather, it refers to how one is praying. In the three places it is used (Corinthians, Ephesians, and Jude), there is absolutely zero reference to 'languages' in connection with this phrase. “Praying in the Spirit” should be understood as praying in the power of the Spirit, by the leading of the Spirit, and according to His will.

In Pentecostal/Charismatic parlance however, the phase has come to be equated with modern “tongues”, i.e. when one “prays in the Spirit”, one is typically engaged in some form of tongues-speech.
Paul makes it very clear that praying in the spirit is using a different language. because he goes on to say he also prays with understanding:

1 Cor 14:15-16
"What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?
KJV
 

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You might add that the Corinthian Church, a Church filled with the gifts, even tongues, was also one of the most carnal of the Churches we read of in Scripture. (Just to add some balance lol).
Not because of the gifts. They were taking the message of grace beyond what is empowerment to Holiness. It was the sexual misconduct that Paul came down on.
 

Wansvic

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I will revert to the KJV, and we should ignore the word "unknown" (which was added). And verses 16 and 17 are necessary for the complete context.

1 CORINTHIANS 14
14 For if I pray in an [unknown] tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding [MY MIND] is unfruitful.

15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding [THE MIND] also.

16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?

17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.

Contrary to what some people teach, THIS IS A REBUKE, not an encouragement.

Paul says that the one who prays in a foreign language supernaturally does not (and cannot) engage his mind in that prayer. And because it is unintelligible to others (particularly the unlearned) (a) they will not be able to add their "Amen" to that prayer, and (b) they will not be edified. Therefore the mind must be engaged in both hymns and prayers, and the prayers and hymns which are lifted up in the assembly must be intelligible to all, so that they can join in, say "Amen", and be edified.

And because that is the correct teaching, many have restored to what they call PRIVATE PRAYER LANGUAGE. But that is not really authorized in this passage.
It is not a rebuke.
Paul clearly says he prays in the spirit and with understanding
He sings in the spirit and with understanding
In other words there is an appropriate time for usage of each as indicated by the next two verses you neglected to include in your post:

1 Cor 14:18-19
I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:

Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
 

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Not because of the gifts. They were taking the message of grace beyond what is empowerment to Holiness. It was the sexual misconduct that Paul came down on.
Sexual misconduct was just a sliver.
There was pride, selfishness, gluttony, drunkenness, party spirit (divisions), taking others to court, suspicion of Pau's apostleship, and an ignorance of the Lord's Supper etc.,....and yet Paul tells them...

1Co 6:11
(11) And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
 

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NO TONGUES AFTER RECEIVING THE GIFT OF THE SPIRIT (FOR ABOUT 3,000 SOULS)
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
4 2 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
And where does scripture declare that these converts did not speak in tongues?
Especially with the examples of how things work in Acts 8; Acts 10; Acts 19.
 

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A great outline of how the Pentecostal/Charismatic redefining of scripture was made to fit, justify, and proof the concept of modern tongues.
did not take long for those to start attacking did it.
 

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Praying in the Spirit does not refer to the words one is saying. Rather, it refers to how one is praying. In the three places it is used (Corinthians, Ephesians, and Jude), there is absolutely zero reference to 'languages' in connection with this phrase. “Praying in the Spirit” should be understood as praying in the power of the Spirit, by the leading of the Spirit, and according to His will.
Wow now that is the kettle calling the pot black. Who is redefining and re-interpreting scriptures but you.
No where does scripture teach that praying in the Spirit is about attitude or effort or emotion. No where!
Praying in the Spirit is clearly and unequivocally described as NOT praying with understanding - that is NOT praying with our
minds in our own language.

Let us read with honesty Jude 1:
18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,

But ye beloved > the saints who do have the indwelling Holy Spirit in contrast to those who do not have the Spirit.
Building up your most holy faith > we exercise faith by putting aside our selfwill and our minds and yield in faith to the work
of the Holy Spirit [God] to pray on our behalf with power.
Praying in the Holy Ghost > a clear reference of prayer that is in contrast to those who are not able to pray in the Holy Spirit
because such people do not have the indwelling Holy Spirit.
And how does scripture teach us all as to who have received the indwelling Holy Spirit?
The Bible evidence of speaking in an unknown tongue; which Jesus himself said would be the sign.
 
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What about 'praying' in tongues? How do you take this passage?

For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. What is [the outcome] then? I will pray with the spirit and I will pray with the mind also; I will sing with the spirit and I will sing with the mind also. (1 Corinthians 14:14-15 NASB)

The biggest damage has been done by translating the word tongue or tongues instead of language or languages IMV.......replace with the word language and then think about the truth that it sets forth........

When one speaks audibly, out loud, especially within an open assembly there is a chance of pretense, or overthinking, or spending too much time "over thinking" what words are chosen.....How many times have we seen someone pray openly in a LANGUAGE "speaking" and pray in the KING JAMES language or stumble in their prayer etc.......

Jesus said when you pray enter the closet "of your mind" and pray in secret.....

I really believe this whole debacle of "tongues" has been overplayed by many......too many times we see examples that are contrary to what took place in Acts 2, too many examples that flies against Paul's words concerning speaking words of understanding, etc.......

The word is LANGUAGES or LANGUAGE.......and what took place in Acts were simple men speaking in their own language and the people hearing in their own native languages.........

and I cannot get around the word cease and the practical application and 1st century A.D. usage of the word perfect........
 

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Basics of speaking in tongues is broken into three easy steps.

Step 1 close the bible and only listen to teacher you adore, those having itching ears.

Step 2 empty your brain of all organized thought.

Step 3 open mouth.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

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and what took place in Acts were simple men speaking in their own language and the people hearing in their own native languages.........
What kind of sign would that be, people speaking in their own language? We do that everyday.
 
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What about 'praying' in tongues? How do you take this passage?

For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. What is [the outcome] then? I will pray with the spirit and I will pray with the mind also; I will sing with the spirit and I will sing with the mind also. (1 Corinthians 14:14-15 NASB)
Gills Expedition of the Entire Bible

For if I pray in an unknown tongue,.... In the Hebrew tongue, which the greatest part of the Jewish doctors insisted (a) upon should be only used in prayer; which notion might be borrowed from them, and now greatly prevailed in the church at Corinth; and the custom was used by such as had the gift of speaking that language, even though the body and bulk of the people understood it not:

my spirit prayeth; I pray with my breath vocally; or else with affection and devotion, understanding what I say myself, and so am edified; or rather with the gift of the Spirit bestowed on me:

but my understanding is unfruitful; that is, what I say with understanding to myself is unprofitable to others, not being understood by them.

(a) Vid. Trigland. de Sect. Kar. c. 10. p. 172, 173.

Why Is Hebrew Called the Holy Tongue (Lashon Hakodesh)?

"But as important as it is to speak, pray and study in Hebrew, it is much more important to actually comprehend what you’re saying and learning. It is for this reason that the Talmud was written in Aramaic. And it is for this reason that, despite all we have said, if one does not understand Hebrew, he should pray in the language that he understands."
 
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What kind of sign would that be, people speaking in their own language? We do that everyday.

Where does it state it is a sign.....and I fully agree that the practical use of languages as defined in Acts 2 was a sign......and was utilized until that which was COMPLETE was finished.......

For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. What is [the outcome] then? I will pray with the spirit and I will pray with the mind also; I will sing with the spirit and I will sing with the mind also.

Ephesians and being continually filled with the spirit...one of the signs...SPEAKING to YOURSELF in hymns and singing spiritual songs and making melody IN YOUR HEART......
 

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The very day that I was baptised in the Holy Spirit I burst our in tongues and also experienced a mighty revelation:
I knew there and then that Jesus is my God and my Redeemer and that the word of God is truth.
It was not some mental or intellectual understanding or "I believe" but rather a spiritual revelation of knowledge about Jesus in
the Bible and of his presence within me.

And on that very day, 1st December 1996, I was also instantly set free from the power of sin and God washed me clean from all
of my addictions: cigarettes; marijuana; alcohol; shooting up amphetamines - instantly without any withdrawal pains.
The truth shall set thee free is what Jesus declared; along with these signs shall follow them that believe the gospel.

Jeremiah 31:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, says the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Is your revelation recorded in the Bible?
 
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