THE CALLING OUT OF THE BRIDE, to go to The Wedding of the Lamb

[prove-all]

rev is a vision or a dream. not read as wrote.
now ask your self, how dose fire burn inside metal.

rev wrote about 80-91 ad

-if it is about in the thousand year reign, Christ would give fire or make it burn



0 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet11 saying, "Write what you see in a book and send it to the seven churches, to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea."


is he writing what he hears or what he see? both i think

-I believe the 7 churches to be 7church eras, why else would be put into revelations (revealing)


how can a loud voice sound like a trumpet? mabe in loudnss or volume

-Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression,
and the house of Jacob their sins.​

-After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven:
and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said,
Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

-And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings,
and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud;
so that all the people that was in the camp trembled.​

​

 

[VCO]

um Ezekiel 1 is a vechicle that God drives

an actual object with living creatures, not a tank

This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord.
And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake.

What is the Glory of the Lord supposed to like?

A very bright shining light.

Bare in mind that Ezekiel has seen NOTHING LIKE MODERN COMBAT, and therefore transported to a VISION of such a battlefield he would be seeing MANY THINGS THAT ARE WAY BEYOND HIS COMPREHENSION.

Something that HE may mistake for something like the bright glory of the LORD, could be:

Something He may mistake for spears being thrown:

Something he may mistake for flaming arrows being shot:

Something he may mistake for the burning of weapons in the Valley:

HOW ELSE WOULD A MAN FROM EZEKIEL'S DAY, DESCRIBE THESE EVENTS?

 

[JesusIsAll]

Something that HE may mistake for something like the bright glory of the LORD

Or a day in the life of Dick Cheney.

 

[VCO]

Or a day in the life of Dick Cheney.

No that would be as dull as a Nebraska thunderhead at dusk, with no lightning.

 

[JesusIsAll]

No that would be as dull as a Nebraska thunderhead at dusk, with no lightning.

Think you've come to the artificial heart of the matter.

 

[VCO]

AND WHAT ABOUT BURNING THE FUEL FOR SEVEN YEARS, FROM ALL THE LEFTOVER VEHICLES ON THE BATTLE FIELD?
IS THAT EVEN FEASIBLE?

I have an old Coleman stove with a lot of sentimental value... it was my dad's and I grew up using it camping all the way back to the '60s.

For emergency use I'd like to get a dual fuel model that could burn unleaded gasoline in an emergency if I didn't have access to Coleman fuel. But before I pay for another stove, I'd like to ask: could I use unleaded in the old stove?

ANSWER:

I have a really old coleman. The problem with burning gas in them was the lead plugged up the generators. Unleaded should work fine.

http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=200653

Apparently diehard survivalists already have that in their bag of tricks.

The oil in those vehicles certainly can easily be used burn in Standard Oil Burning Furnaces:



[video=youtube;gfvPf_fviLg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfvPf_fviLg[/video]

 

[JesusIsAll]

AND WHAT ABOUT BURNING THE FUEL FOR SEVEN YEARS, FROM ALL THE LEFTOVER VEHICLES ON THE BATTLE FIELD?
IS THAT EVEN FEASIBLE?

Actually, everything you've mentioned is sort of feasible, if explained by the simple concept Ezekiel is speaking of generic war, in terms of the weapons of his time. It would make Ezekiel different prophecy, where the symbols don't fit well, my problem. But, as far as I'm concerned, it could be petroleum or nuclear fuels, the Lord saying, "It was a prophecy penned by inspiration of an ancient mind." Then case closed. But I've already mentioned barriers problematic of literal interpretation, which I believe in where, if symbology is not clear intent, the literal needs exhausted, and I can't see fitting symbology. It would be interesting to find a Jewish Hebrew scholar, who could comment on these things from the standpoint of modern use of the language and conceivable ancient root variations. I don't know Hebrew, and lexicons are useless in this matter, as they uphold the English translation of the Bible, not the fringe people trying to make horses fighter jets or whatever. It remains with me a mystery. I'd like some certainty to the point of comfort, something more than sort of feasible. I must mention I'm probably chasing my tail, and don't mean to you, as no scholar I've read has an absolute answer, so many answers game. It's just I hope perhaps somebody will have a breakthrough.

Oh! I have one of those Coleman camp stoves, that will burn Coleman fuel or gasoline. It can be handy in a protracted power outage, like an ice storm, for maybe some coffee, tea or soup.

 

[VCO]

. . . It would be interesting to find a Jewish Hebrew scholar, who could comment on these things from the standpoint of modern use of the language and conceivable ancient root variations. . .

How about this book that Zola Levitt, Co-Authored in 1974? "The coming Russian Invasion of Israel"

It is 1 cent plus $3.99 shipping.

http://www.amazon.com/Coming-Russia...Levitt,+The+Coming+Russian+Invasion+of+Israel

 

[VCO]

Revelation 14:19-20 (HCSB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] So the angel swung his sickle toward earth and gathered the grapes from earth’s vineyard, and he threw them into the great winepress of God’s wrath.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Then the press was trampled outside the city, and blood flowed out of the press up to the horses’ bridles for about 180 miles.

Because of how quickly EVERYONE in the Valley is killed, by the word of HIS MOUTH, in Rev. 19:21; I think that prophecy has the potential of being LITERAL. REMEMBER it says 200,000,000 at least are gathered in that Valley to make war against Jesus Christ.

Elsewhere, it tells us that EVERYTHING is held together by Jesus Christ. If that is literally everything, then that would include the cells of one's own body. What if He lets go? Do the cells of the flesh on the bones simply fall completely apart?

Colossians 1:17 (GW)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] He existed before everything and holds everything together.

Another interesting fact about the height of that flood of blood, is the depth. It says it will be the depth of horses’ bridles, and that is the exact height of where a tank turret attaches to a tank's main body. I am not sure that means anything, but it is interesting.

 

[djness]

What is the Glory of the Lord supposed to like?

A very bright shining light.

Bare in mind that Ezekiel has seen NOTHING LIKE MODERN COMBAT, and therefore transported to a VISION of such a battlefield he would be seeing MANY THINGS THAT ARE WAY BEYOND HIS COMPREHENSION.

Something that HE may mistake for something like the bright glory of the LORD, could be:

Something He may mistake for spears being thrown:

Something he may mistake for flaming arrows being shot:

Something he may mistake for the burning of weapons in the Valley:

HOW ELSE WOULD A MAN FROM EZEKIEL'S DAY, DESCRIBE THESE EVENTS?

Does it not seem the least bit odd that God, not being the author of confusion would, have someone relate events with no ability to accuratly describe what they are seeing?

I just think it seems a little odd that you would show someone something that they have no idea what it is and then tell them to write it down in the most descriptive way they possibly can.

I'm not saying in anyway these events won't take place. I just have always wondered if like...horses were actually horses and not tanks..why wouldn't God just say tank...it wouldn't be that hard would it?

 

[VCO]

Does it not seem the least bit odd that God, not being the author of confusion would, have someone relate events with no ability to accuratly describe what they are seeing?

I just think it seems a little odd that you would show someone something that they have no idea what it is and then tell them to write it down in the most descriptive way they possibly can.

I'm not saying in anyway these events won't take place. I just have always wondered if like...horses were actually horses and not tanks..why wouldn't God just say tank...it wouldn't be that hard would it?

Not at ALL. Because it was all according to HIS WILL.

Daniel 12:8-9 (HCSB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] I heard but did not understand. So I asked, “My lord, what will be the outcome of these things?”
[SUP]9 [/SUP] He said, “Go on your way, Daniel, for the words are secret and sealed until the time of the end.

An Army of 200,000,000 was unfathomable, until the last 60 years.

Mechanized Warfare was unfathomable until it became a reality.

Israel soaring like Eagles was unfathomable until the Israeli Air Force came on the scene.

People from every tribe and tongue actually seeing the Two Witnesses laying dead in Jerusalem, was unfathomable until Sallelite TV, and could be seen LIVE ON CNN.

A War that would kill two thirds of the world's population, was unfathomable before NUCLEAR Weapons.

THUS those prophecies are no longer SEALED, and NOW because of modern technology we can understand them.

Personally, I do not have much difficulty understanding the figurative language. AND in some cases, I think Ezekiel did a pretty good job of describing what he could not understand; such as this that I already posted:


Ezekiel 10:10 (GW)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]All four wheels looked the same. Each was like a wheel within a wheel.


And here is what I think Ezekiel was looking at, not have ANY idea what it was:

Can't you see why Ezekiel called the four wheels all the same "like a wheel within a wheel", when there was NO WAY for him to understand what a WHEEL HUB was?

I am sorry that GOD did not check with you to see how and when HE should give HIS prophecies through His prophets, so that it will make more sense to you.

And if you do not like the figures of speech and symbolisms that HE used in prophecies, how on earth are you going to deal with these?

Psalm 91:4 (HCSB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] He will cover you with His feathers; you will take refuge under His wings. His faithfulness will be a protective shield.

Exodus 24:17 (HCSB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] The appearance of the LORD’s glory to the Israelites was like a consuming fire on the mountaintop.

Deuteronomy 4:24 (HCSB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] For the LORD your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God.

Revelation 22:16 (NKJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star."

Mark 4:26 (HCSB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] “The kingdom of God is like this,” He said. “A man scatters seed on the ground;

Numbers 24:8 (HCSB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] God brought him out of Egypt; He is like the horns of a wild ox for them. He will feed on enemy nations and gnaw their bones; he will strike ⌊them⌋ with his arrows.

2 Samuel 23:3-4 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] The God of Israel spoke; the Rock of Israel said to me, “The one who rules the people with justice, who rules in the fear of God,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] is like the morning light when the sun rises on a cloudless morning, the glisten of rain on sprouting grass.”
Job 8:16 (NIV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] He is like a well-watered plant in the sunshine, spreading its shoots over the garden;

Psalm 17:8 (ESV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Keep me as the apple of your eye; hide me in the shadow of your wings,

Psalm 1:3 (NIV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] He is like a tree planted by streams of water, which yields its fruit in season and whose leaf does not wither. Whatever he does prospers.

Lamentations 3:10 (GW)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] He is like a bear waiting to ambush me, like a lion in hiding.

Malachi 3:2 (GW)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] But who will be able to endure the day he comes? Who will be able to survive on the day he appears? He is like a purifying fire and like a cleansing soap.

etc., etc. etc.

NO it does not seem ODD to me at all. Figurative Speech and Symbolism seems to be a VERY COMMON way to explain things in Bible times. I take it from your objections that you almost NEVER USE IT.

 

[watcher2013]

I have told you the ABSOLUTE TRUTH all along, as the Holy Spirit gives me understanding.

Do you ever think through what I have been telling you, or just go back to the false thinking you have been taught, ignoring what I said?

TRUTH: Not everyone who THINKS they are CHRISTIANS are truly Born Again Christians who have received Him as LORD, which means MASTER, they remain lord of their own lives. ONLY BORN AGAIN Christians are called out to go to the Wedding of the Lamb.

TRUTH: NO Born Again Pastor will remain on this Earth by the time the Antichrist makes the Seven Year peace Treaty with Israel. HOWEVER, every one of their recorded sermons will remain on this Earth, and I suspect, many of those who thought they Christians because of some Easy Believism false Gospel, will be very EAGER to listen or watch those tapes and videos. Many of us BORN AGAIN Christians collect those sermons to be left behind for those who choose to receive Jesus Christ as Lord and Master, thereby becoming Tribulation Saints. I used to have OVER 500 of Dr. John MacArthur's sermons on cassette tapes, plus some of Chuck Swindoll's, Dr. Gil Rugh,s, Dr. Ed Young,s Dr. Adrian Rodger's, Dr. Zola Levitt's, etc. With the cassettes having gone the way of the 8 Tracks, I donated half of them to the Prison Ministry, and half to a brand new Church just getting started. NOW I collect sermons in MP4 format, for the same reason. Those RECORDED Sermons, PLUS the TWO WITNESSES getting LOTS of Media Coverage, there will be AMPLE gospel sermons to lead those who become Tribulation Saints to REPENT and RECEIVE JESUS AS LORD AND MASTER. By the way, THAT IS NOT WORKS RIGHTEOUSNESS, as Easy Believism would have you believe in ERROR. In ROM. 5:5, it tells us that when the Holy Spirit came into us, HE poured the LOVE OF GOD into our hearts. It is that LOVE that is NOT OF OURSELVES, that produces a desire to submit to HIM as MASTER, striving to obey Him always. AND when we fail, it is that LOVE that produces a desire to confess that sin and repent of it.

TRUTH: GOD NEVER BREAKS HIS PROMISES.

Ezekiel 37:25-28 (ESV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] They shall dwell in the land that I gave to my servant Jacob, where your fathers lived. They and their children and their children’s children shall dwell there forever, and David my servant shall be their prince forever.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] I will make a covenant of peace with them. It shall be an everlasting covenant with them. And I will set them in their land and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in their midst forevermore.
[SUP]27 [/SUP] My dwelling place shall be with them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
[SUP]28 [/SUP] Then the nations will know that I am the LORD who sanctifies Israel, when my sanctuary is in their midst forevermore.”

Psalm 34:18 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.

Ecclesiastes 5:1-2 (NKJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Walk prudently when you go to the house of God; and draw near to hear rather than to give the sacrifice of fools, for they do not know that they do evil.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Do not be rash with your mouth, And let not your heart utter anything hastily before God. For God is in heaven, and you on earth; Therefore let your words be few.
James 4:7-10 (NKJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Lament and mourn and weep! {Over your sinfulness.} Let your laughter be turned to mourning and your joy to gloom.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and He will lift you up.

Those promises are every bit as TRUE in the Tribulation Period as they were in the Church-age. Granted Bible teachers, who did not get Called Out by the Bridegroom, will be out of business, but recorded sermons by those who did, will be in HIGH DEMAND.

Just so you know:

1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Therefore comfort one another with these words.

That Event is at least 1007 Years or more, before the New City Jerusalem is lowered to the New Earth. It is why HE SAID to the Virgins who were watching and prepared to GO with the BRIDEGROOM:

Matthew 25:13 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

IT IS WHY HE SAID:

Mark 13:32-33 (ESV)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] “But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
[SUP]33 [/SUP] Be on guard, keep awake. For you do not know when the time will come.

If it was AFTER Antichrist signs that Peace Treaty with Israel, which will be ALL OVER TV NEWS WORLDWIDE; no one would have to "Watch" or "Be on guard, keep awake" until they saw that Seven Year Peace Treaty being signed.

Please LISTEN, your theology is all mixed up.

Apology VCO, but i just could'nt help myself.
L O L.
Tapes... For so many denomination of today which tapes?
And who shall baptised them? Automatic water sprinkler.
Your story is far from propetic truth.

There will be peace alright as eze 38 said. But your understanding about the bride is far from biblical facts.

 

[watcher2013]

I have told you the ABSOLUTE TRUTH all along, as the Holy Spirit gives me understanding.

The Holy spirit does not go against the scripture, but you on the other invent a story that is far from biblical truth.

Do you ever think through what I have been telling you, or just go back to the false thinking you have been taught, ignoring what I said?

I read them alright, and most of it are fictional story.

TRUTH:

Not everyone who THINKS they are CHRISTIANS are truly Born Again Christians who have received Him as LORD, which means MASTER, they remain lord of their own lives. ONLY BORN AGAIN Christians are called out to go to the Wedding of the Lamb.

Which denomination you think holds the truth?

TRUTH:

NO Born Again Pastor will remain on this Earth by the time the Antichrist makes the Seven Year peace Treaty with Israel. HOWEVER, every one of their recorded sermons will remain on this Earth, and I suspect, many of those who thought they Christians because of some Easy Believism false Gospel, will be very EAGER to listen or watch those tapes and videos. Many of us BORN AGAIN Christians collect those sermons to be left behind for those who choose to receive Jesus Christ as Lord and Master, thereby becoming Tribulation Saints. I used to have OVER 500 of Dr. John MacArthur's sermons on cassette tapes, plus some of Chuck Swindoll's, Dr. Gil Rugh,s, Dr. Ed Young,s Dr. Adrian Rodger's, Dr. Zola Levitt's, etc. With the cassettes having gone the way of the 8 Tracks, I donated half of them to the Prison Ministry, and half to a brand new Church just getting started. NOW I collect sermons in MP4 format, for the same reason. Those RECORDED Sermons, PLUS the TWO WITNESSES getting LOTS of Media Coverage, there will be AMPLE gospel sermons to lead those who become Tribulation Saints to REPENT and RECEIVE JESUS AS LORD AND MASTER. By the way, THAT IS NOT WORKS RIGHTEOUSNESS, as Easy Believism would have you believe in ERROR. In ROM. 5:5, it tells us that when the Holy Spirit came into us, HE poured the LOVE OF GOD into our hearts. It is that LOVE that is NOT OF OURSELVES, that produces a desire to submit to HIM as MASTER, striving to obey Him always. AND when we fail, it is that LOVE that produces a desire to confess that sin and repent of it.

Have you ever considered that:
even if the trumpet were sounded the people did not Repent:

Rev_9:20 The rest of the people who survived these plagues did not repent from their evil actions or stop worshiping demons and idols made of gold, silver, bronze, stone, and wood, which cannot see, hear, or walk.
Rev_9:21 They did not repent from their murders, their witchcraft, their sexual immorality, or their thefts.
Seems to me the tapes are not working:

and even if at the pouring of the vials of wrath the people did not REPENT: and on the contrary they cursed God even more.

Rev_16:9 and they were burned by the fierce heat. They cursed the name of God, who has the authority over these plagues. They did not repent and give him glory.
Rev_16:11 and cursed the God of heaven because of their pain-filled sores. But they did not repent of their behaviour

At this stage your tapes are probably burned to ashes..its not working...

and furthermore even there's worldwide coverage of the two witnesses...
They did not believe...

Rev 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.. (KJV)

TRUTH:

GOD NEVER BREAKS HIS PROMISES.

Ezekiel 37:25-28 (ESV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] They shall dwell in the land that I gave to my servant Jacob, where your fathers lived. They and their children and their children’s children shall dwell there forever, and David my servant shall be their prince forever.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] I will make a covenant of peace with them. It shall be an everlasting covenant with them. And I will set them in their land and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in their midst forevermore.
[SUP]27 [/SUP] My dwelling place shall be with them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
[SUP]28 [/SUP] Then the nations will know that I am the LORD who sanctifies Israel, when my sanctuary is in their midst forevermore.”

Psalm 34:18 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.

Ecclesiastes 5:1-2 (NKJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Walk prudently when you go to the house of God; and draw near to hear rather than to give the sacrifice of fools, for they do not know that they do evil.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Do not be rash with your mouth, And let not your heart utter anything hastily before God. For God is in heaven, and you on earth; Therefore let your words be few.
James 4:7-10 (NKJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Lament and mourn and weep! {Over your sinfulness.} Let your laughter be turned to mourning and your joy to gloom.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and He will lift you up.

The verses are indeed promises of God and it will come to pass, but that does not make your story true...

Those promises are every bit as TRUE in the Tribulation Period as they were in the Church-age. Granted Bible teachers, who did not get Called Out by the Bridegroom, will be out of business, but recorded sermons by those who did, will be in HIGH DEMAND.

your statement is just a story without biblical support...

Just so you know:

1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Therefore comfort one another with these words.

That Event is at least 1007 Years or more, before the New City Jerusalem is lowered to the New Earth. It is why HE SAID to the Virgins who were watching and prepared to GO with the BRIDEGROOM:

What are clear from that verses:
1. The dead in Christ will rise FIRST
2. meaning it occurs at the Resurrection of the dead in Christ.
3. Those ALIVE AND REMAIN...shall be caught up after the Resurrection (for how long between Resurrection and the catching up is not clear)
4, 1 Cor 15:51-52 provided a glimpse that the Resurrection will be accompanied by the Changing of the bodies of those who are alive. meaning...those two witnesses bodies (if literal) were not yet changed because they were killed by the Beast... meaning this event does not occur before the two witnesses death.

Matthew 25:13 (KJV)

[SUP]13 [/SUP] Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

IT IS WHY HE SAID:

Mark 13:32-33 (ESV)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] “But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
[SUP]33 [/SUP] Be on guard, keep awake. For you do not know when the time will come.

If it was AFTER Antichrist signs that Peace Treaty with Israel, which will be ALL OVER TV NEWS WORLDWIDE; no one would have to "Watch" or "Be on guard, keep awake" until they saw that Seven Year Peace Treaty being signed.

Please LISTEN, your theology is all mixed up.

On the contrary...the more we need to watch for we do not know if we are still alive tomorrow...

I think my theology stands on solid ground...Yours is shaky

 

[VCO]

Apology VCO, but i just could'nt help myself.
L O L.
Tapes... For so many denomination of today which tapes?
And who shall baptised them? Automatic water sprinkler.
Your story is far from propetic truth.

There will be peace alright as eze 38 said. But your understanding about the bride is far from biblical facts.

WOW, someone who actually believes only an ordained pastor can baptize, I assume.

The vast majority of Churches believe any Believer can baptize another believer.

Let me show you one more time that the Bride is made up of O.T. Saints, Church-age Saints, and Tribulation Saints.

As far as I am concerned, the BIBLE is extremely clear on that.

Isaiah 61:10 (GW)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] I will find joy in the LORD. I will delight in my God. He has dressed me in the clothes of salvation. He has wrapped me in the robe of righteousness like a bridegroom with a priest's turban, like a bride with her jewels.

Isaiah 49:18 (NIV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Lift up your eyes and look around; all your sons gather and come to you. As surely as I live," declares the LORD, "you will wear them all as ornaments; you will put them on, like a bride.

Jeremiah 2:2 (NIV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] "Go and proclaim in the hearing of Jerusalem: "'I remember the devotion of your youth, how as a bride you loved me and followed me through the desert, through a land not sown.

Isaiah 62:5 (ASV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee; and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.

Ezekiel 16:8-10 (NKJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] When I passed by you again and looked upon you, indeed your time was the time of love; so I spread My wing over you and covered your nakedness. Yes, I swore an oath to you and entered into a covenant with you, and you became Mine," says the Lord GOD.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Then I washed you in water; yes, I thoroughly washed off your blood, and I anointed you with oil.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] I clothed you in embroidered cloth and gave you sandals of badger skin; I clothed you with fine linen and covered you with silk.

Matthew 25:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

Matthew 25:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6[/SUP] And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

{THE BRIDE IS ALWAYS CALLED OUT OF HER OLD DWELLING PLACE. THE BRIDEGROOM ALWAYS PICKS SOMEONE ELSE TO SHOUT AND CALL THE BRIDE OUT OF HER OLD DWELLING PLACE, AND OUR BRIDEGROOM HAS PICKED THE ARCHANGEL TO SHOUT AND CALL US OUT. NEVER DOES THE BRIDEGROOM SET FOOT IN THE BRIDE'S OLD DWELLING PLACE PRIOR THE WEDDING. THE BRIDEGROOM LEAVES THE OLD DWELLING PLACE OF THE BRIDE AFTER SHE ACCEPTS HIS PROPOSAL BY DRINKING WINE FROM A CUP THAT HE PASSES TO HER; AND HE THEN ANNOUNCES, "I GO TO PREPARE A PLACE FOR YOU IN MY FATHER'S HOUSE." HE WILL NOT SET FOOT IN THE BRIDE'S OLD DWELLING PLACE, UNTIL AFTER A WEEK LONG WEDDING CEREMONY IN THE NEW DWELLING PLACE IN HIS FATHER'S HOUSE. THE WEDDING SUPPER IS ALWAYS HELD IN THE BRIDE'S OLD DWELLING PLACE THE LAST EVENING OF THE LAST DAY OF THE WEDDING. THOSE ARE THE JEWISH WEDDING TRADITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PRACTICED FOR AT LEAST 3000 YEARS.}

1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 (NKJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Therefore comfort one another with these words.

Ephesians 5:23 (HCSB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] for the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church. He is the Savior of the body.

Revelation 7:9-10 (ASV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] After these things I saw, and behold, a great multitude, {THE BRIDE OF CHRIST} which no man could number, out of every nation and of all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, arrayed in white robes, and palms in their hands;
[SUP]10 [/SUP] and they cry with a great voice, saying, Salvation unto our God who sitteth on the throne, and unto the Lamb.

Revelation 7:13-14 (ASV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] And one of the elders {ELDERS OF THE CHURCH.} answered, saying unto me, These {A GROUP OTHER THAN THE CHRUCH.} that are arrayed in white robes, who are they, and whence came they?
[SUP]14 [/SUP] And I say unto him, My lord, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they that come of the great tribulation, and they washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. {SO THEY ARE PART OF THE BRIDE OF CHRIST, TOO.}

Revelation 19:7-8 (NIV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Let us rejoice and be glad and give him glory! For the wedding of the Lamb has come, and his bride has made herself ready.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Fine linen, bright and clean, was given her to wear." (Fine linen stands for the righteous acts of the saints.)

ALL THREE GROUPS OF SAINTS ARE GIVEN THE FINE LINEN WHITE ROBES OF A BRIDE.

Genesis 34:12 (NIV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Make the price for the bride and the gift I am to bring as great as you like, and I'll pay whatever you ask me. Only give me the girl as my wife."

1 Corinthians 6:20 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body.

A Bride is ALWAYS bought with a price, where does it say the CITY was bought with a price.

CONCLUSION:

Revelation 21:2 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. {MORE OF REVELATION'S FIGURATIVE LANGUAGE DESCRIBING THE WAY A NEW DWELLING PLACE FOR THE BRIDE IS ADORNED IN THE SAME WHITE LINEN THAT THE BRIDE WEARS.}

HERE IS THE WHITE LINEN chuppah or wedding canopy that you adorn a HOUSE with for a Jewish Wedding; and other decorations would be place throughout the house where ever guests would be:

THAT IS ALL IT IS TALKING ABOUT, the City is adorned in the same manor as the Bride herself is, and the City is her New Dwelling Place.

 

[royalscot]

-After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven:
and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said,
Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

-And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings,
and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud;
so that all the people that was in the camp trembled.​

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firstly i see rev as a fun book, puzzles games you get the blessing.
Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and heed the things which are written in it; for the time is near.


read, hear , prophecy.

ie man looked at stars(the bigger the telescope, the bigger you see) and found planets, there dates in history are recorded , ie when did they find the 10th planet, when i was at school pluto was 9.
is he describing what he saw. or what he heard.
Write what you see ,loud voice like a trumpet
when was a date in a dream or vision , in these dreams

if you see what johns see, you would have to have some understanding to how john thinks. to the world about him.

the voice is leading him. to different stages of dreams.

he is asked to write,
dan book is wrote.

13 But as for you, go your way to the end; then you will enter into rest and rise again for your allotted portion at the end of the age."

we know he can rise again via what jesus christ did.

so asking what rise again , means you are lead to jesus christ.

that is asking only the meaning of two word.


history of the bible is wrote because one day it would be read. and proved

for example. 7 church, 7 seals etc with different parts to each church or seal.



so were these books wrote with future reader in mind , as well a chain of events that followed history.

the words of the prophecy, (a prediction )


the voice, is it gods, and why would he show, john, something outside the time line of that era or his life span.
ie dans vision.


can you give ch and verse to the quote.

 

[PlainWord]

Because of how quickly EVERYONE in the Valley is killed, by the word of HIS MOUTH, in Rev. 19:21; I think that prophecy has the potential of being LITERAL. REMEMBER it says 200,000,000 at least are gathered in that Valley to make war against Jesus Christ.

VCO, you have it backwards...

The 200 million "horse" army are not a worldly army, they are Christ's army which comes to Armageddon to kill 1/3 of the wicked mankind which come up against Israel. These horses have heads like lions, right? Clearly they are "special" horses but are they tanks or mechanized armies? You think they are tanks, but there will never be 200 million tanks manufactured in the world. There are currently only 106,114 tanks in the whole world today. Here, check it out.

Tank Strength by Country

I can't even conceive of another 199,893,886 tanks being built. You can't call them people, because John would know how to describe a person and fire and smoke don't come out of mortal human mouths.

Satan drew 1/3 (Rev 12:4) of the "stars" or 100 million angels (now demons) and took them to earth with him. This leaves 200 million angels in Christ's army as described in Rev 19:

[SUP]14 [/SUP]And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean,followed Him on white horses. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations.

John gives further description in Rev 9 which matches Rev 19:

[SUP]17 [/SUP]And thus I saw the horses in the vision: those who sat on them had breastplates of fiery red, hyacinth blue, and sulfur yellow; and the heads of the horses were like the heads of lions; and out of their mouths came fire, smoke, and brimstone.

Fire, smoke and brimstone is divine punishment. This mass killing event has to be tied to Christ's return. It is clear that the 1/3 are wicked because the rest of mankind did not repent after seeing this example. Plagues are from God, never from Satan.

[SUP]20 [/SUP]But the rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, that they should not worship demons...

We know the Lord returns for Armageddon. This is crystal clear from multiple passages, thus there has to be a substantial population left to die in this final battle. Also, this event has to happen in close proximity to Christ's return given what we are told in Mat 24:

[SUP]37 [/SUP]But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. [SUP]38 [/SUP]For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, [SUP]39 [/SUP]and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

All seems normal to mankind. If a 200 million strong army had recently killed 1/3 of the world, could the above scenario be possible?

We know a large population is pulled into the Megiddo Plains. The amount of blood described proves this. We know there will be massive deaths as Israel is burying the dead for 7 months and has weapons to burn for years. So how do all these people get there and who are they? Based on current populations 2.33 Billion people represent 1/3 of the world. We know Satan controls 1/3 of the angels so apparently he will also control 1/3 of mankind. Makes sense.

Now here is your proof, ready? Please take note of the location.

Rev 16:

[SUP]12 [/SUP]Then the sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up, so that the way of the kings from the east might be prepared. [SUP]13 [/SUP]And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

[SUP]16 [/SUP]And they gathered them together to the place called in Hebrew, Armageddon.

Where were the angels of the 6th trumpet located from Rev 9?

[SUP]14 [/SUP]saying to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, “Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates.”

So we have the exact same location given - Euphrates. Don't focus on the 200 million "horse" army, focus on the 1/3 of the world being killed for a moment. Based on today's population 2.33 Billion would die. Where could they come from? There isn't enough population in all of Europe and Africa combined to reach this number without including Asia. We know from other prophesy that armies from all three continents come against Israel in the last days. Thus 1/3 of the world's population will be called by Satan to rush Israel. So why would Satan send another 200 million strong army against the 1/3 of the world that he gathered?

Now see who Satan's army is called to fight.[SUP]

19 [/SUP]And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army.

Who has the Horse? Christ.

[SUP]21 [/SUP]And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.

We know Armageddon will be a blood bath so unless you think there will be an earlier blood bath in the same location there can only be one blood bath of this magnitude. Now, what happens immediately after the 6th Trumpet slaughter?

[SUP]15 [/SUP]Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdomsof this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!”

Why it's game over!!!!

 

[JesusIsAll]

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Thanks for the tip. Boy, the price is right! But I believe I have a comment from him, where he said they would burn all the "debris" left over. I had in mind a thorough dissection of all modern words for weapons in Hebrew, to seek whether there's any explicit root in the ancient words for Ezekiel's weapons, and not somebody writing their own lexicon.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Does it not seem the least bit odd that God, not being the author of confusion would, have someone relate events with no ability to accuratly describe what they are seeing?

I just think it seems a little odd that you would show someone something that they have no idea what it is and then tell them to write it down in the most descriptive way they possibly can.

I'm not saying in anyway these events won't take place. I just have always wondered if like...horses were actually horses and not tanks..why wouldn't God just say tank...it wouldn't be that hard would it?

The Lord, of course, could do this, use the word tank, but, and I don't know how to say this without sounding stupid, God is very clever, hides truths that must be, as if, mined from His word as a result of study. Many things of God aren't delivered on a silver platter, such that even an unregenerate could understand. The riches of God's word are for the faithful, discerned with the help of the Holy Spirit, received by a willing heart. God could prove Himself to the world day by day, also, but this is not His plan, rather faith His key instrument.

 

[JesusIsAll]

To expand on the topic a bit, there is an interesting fringe that identifies the Gog and Magog of Ezekiel with the Gog and Magog of Revelation. And consider this millennial setting that came to mind,

Zechariah 14:16-19 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain. And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Note there are the heathen, while Christ is reigning. Some exclude the possibility of Ezekiel 38-39 being the Revelation incident, in that, during the millennium, everybody will know God reigning. Yet these verses in Zechariah state there are those still heathen.

In both Ezekiel and Revelation the Lord uses fire. Who's to say Revelation is not simply a brief reference to details elaborated upon in Ezekiel? Who can say the period of time between the Gog and Magog incident in Revelation and the Great White Throne? Why must it be the next hour after Gog and Magog? We are assuming the eternal state begins right away, after the destruction of Gog's hoards. And isn't Satan the inspiration behind Gog, were there even two Gog wars, that is, the impotence behind a tribulation Gog, in reply to those who claim the tribulation Gog is coming himself, not of Satan, like Revelation? See what I mean? The crux of the biscuit is that the Gog and Magog use of primitive weapons would be in perfect keeping with 1,000 years of a weapons ban, and, certainly, Israel would be dwelling in safety and greatly prospered to inspire Gog's covetousness, after the millennium. (Nor do I find Ezekiel chronological order an end-all to any discussion, the Bible not unknown to shift to another time, on a dime.)

Just some other food for thought I can't wholly reject, anyway, at least does the primitive weapons job nicely! I would also like to add, if the eschatology of all these people writing tribulation books is so great, why can't any of them agree on the timing, etc.?

 

[djness]

Not at ALL. Because it was all according to HIS WILL.

Daniel 12:8-9 (HCSB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] I heard but did not understand. So I asked, “My lord, what will be the outcome of these things?”
[SUP]9 [/SUP] He said, “Go on your way, Daniel, for the words are secret and sealed until the time of the end.

An Army of 200,000,000 was unfathomable, until the last 60 years.

Mechanized Warfare was unfathomable until it became a reality.

Israel soaring like Eagles was unfathomable until the Israeli Air Force came on the scene.

People from every tribe and tongue actually seeing the Two Witnesses laying dead in Jerusalem, was unfathomable until Sallelite TV, and could be seen LIVE ON CNN.

A War that would kill two thirds of the world's population, was unfathomable before NUCLEAR Weapons.

THUS those prophecies are no longer SEALED, and NOW because of modern technology we can understand them.

Personally, I do not have much difficulty understanding the figurative language. AND in some cases, I think Ezekiel did a pretty good job of describing what he could not understand; such as this that I already posted:


Ezekiel 10:10 (GW)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]All four wheels looked the same. Each was like a wheel within a wheel.


And here is what I think Ezekiel was looking at, not have ANY idea what it was:

Can't you see why Ezekiel called the four wheels all the same "like a wheel within a wheel", when there was NO WAY for him to understand what a WHEEL HUB was?

I am sorry that GOD did not check with you to see how and when HE should give HIS prophecies through His prophets, so that it will make more sense to you.

And if you do not like the figures of speech and symbolisms that HE used in prophecies, how on earth are you going to deal with these?

Psalm 91:4 (HCSB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] He will cover you with His feathers; you will take refuge under His wings. His faithfulness will be a protective shield.

Exodus 24:17 (HCSB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] The appearance of the LORD’s glory to the Israelites was like a consuming fire on the mountaintop.

Deuteronomy 4:24 (HCSB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] For the LORD your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God.

Revelation 22:16 (NKJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star."

Mark 4:26 (HCSB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] “The kingdom of God is like this,” He said. “A man scatters seed on the ground;

Numbers 24:8 (HCSB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] God brought him out of Egypt; He is like the horns of a wild ox for them. He will feed on enemy nations and gnaw their bones; he will strike ⌊them⌋ with his arrows.

2 Samuel 23:3-4 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] The God of Israel spoke; the Rock of Israel said to me, “The one who rules the people with justice, who rules in the fear of God,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] is like the morning light when the sun rises on a cloudless morning, the glisten of rain on sprouting grass.”
Job 8:16 (NIV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] He is like a well-watered plant in the sunshine, spreading its shoots over the garden;

Psalm 17:8 (ESV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Keep me as the apple of your eye; hide me in the shadow of your wings,

Psalm 1:3 (NIV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] He is like a tree planted by streams of water, which yields its fruit in season and whose leaf does not wither. Whatever he does prospers.

Lamentations 3:10 (GW)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] He is like a bear waiting to ambush me, like a lion in hiding.

Malachi 3:2 (GW)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] But who will be able to endure the day he comes? Who will be able to survive on the day he appears? He is like a purifying fire and like a cleansing soap.

etc., etc. etc.

NO it does not seem ODD to me at all. Figurative Speech and Symbolism seems to be a VERY COMMON way to explain things in Bible times. I take it from your objections that you almost NEVER USE IT.

What I don't do is take a single verse about cherubim out of context and turn it into a tank.

I suppose since Jesus said he is the vine and we are the branches that you tell people christians are made of wood?
Perhaps in your private interpretation you think you could nail a bunch of christians together and make a boat? Or maybe shave a christian and you can make paper hats?

Not the least bit reasonable.