The cultic origins of Annihilationism

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Nehemiah6

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Christians of all persuasions have generally believed the Bible doctrine of eternal Hell (the Lake of Fire).

However it is the cults who have originated and promoted the heresy of Annihilationism. Thus the heterodox groups who believe this false doctrine are the Millerites, Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Christadelphians, Armstrongites, “Bible Students” (ironic), Church of God (7th Day) Salem Conference, etc. There are also so-called evangelicals (heretical) such as Clark Pinnock, John Stott, Philip Edgcumbe Hughes, etc. who promote this doctrine. And recently, even the Church of England has gone along with this.

According to Theopedia Annihilationism is the belief that the final fate of those who are not saved is literal and final death and destruction. It runs counter to the mainstream traditional Christian understanding of hell as eternal suffering and separation from God.

As we know “annihilate” means to utterly destroy, to obliterate, to extinguish completely, to cause to cease to exist, to do away with entirely, so that nothing remains. If this were really true for the unbelieving, the ungodly, and the wicked, they would be more than happy to continue in their sins and evil deeds, since at the end of everything they would simply be vaporized. They would vanish into thin air.

However, there is no such nonsense taught in the Bible. Therefore the meaning of death and the second death had to be changed, and the meaning of “perish”, “destroy”, and “destruction” as shown in Scripture had to also be changed. But once we understand what those words mean -- as presented by Christ and the apostles -- we will see that Annihilationism is totally false. Here is what the Bible reveals:

1. Souls and spirits are imperishable, and will either have eternal life with God and Christ, or will be eternally separated from God in Hell.

2. There are two deaths in the Bible – the first death is the separation of the soul and spirit from the body, and the second death is eternal separation from God in the Lake of Fire.

3. There are also two resurrections in the Bible – the resurrection unto life and the resurrection unto damnation.

4. There is no such thing as Soul Sleep. Those who are unsaved go to Hades and are in torment. Those who are saved go directly to Christ and are in joy and bliss.

5. There is no “second chance after death”. Therefore God now commands all men everywhere to repent and to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

6. Those who are in Hades will eventually be resurrected before the Great White Throne Judgment. They will be judged according to their works, but their names will not be found in the Book of Life. Therefore they will be cast into the Lake of Fire to suffer eternal torment.

7. The Devil, the Beast (the Antichrist), and the False Prophet will all be cast into the Lake of Fire (along with the evil angels) and will be tormented day and night for ever (eternally).

8. The words “perish” and “destroy” do not mean annihilation, but do mean eternal ruin, eternal loss of well-being, and eternal indescribable torment.

9. Because Hell is real, Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and rose again for our justification according to the Scripture. John 3:16 makes the connection very plain: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, [suffer eternally in Hell] but have everlasting life.

10. God does not desire that a single soul go to Hell. That is why Christ commanded the Church to preach the Gospel to every creature, so that all men would be saved and come unto the knowledge of the truth.
 

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However, there is no such nonsense taught in the Bible.
“And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.” The words of Jesus in Matthew 10:28. Sad that you consider the words of Jesus nonsense .



Ezekiel 18:23 - Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith
the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?

The lost perish and are no more. They go to their death. Hell is the grave.

Matt 7:13
Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad
that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.


Matthew 10:28
Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul;
but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.


Luke 13:3
I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.

Here, the Greek word for perish is apoleisthe, which
means to utterly destroy, kill, slay, demolish, make void.


Jesus says that the end for the unrighteous will be the same as for those
in the days of Noah (Luke 17:27), "the flood came and destroyed them all"
(not tortured). And it will be the same as for Sodom (verse 29)
"destroyed them" (not tortured).


John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that
whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

So a person either receives eternal life, or they perish. Nothing about eternal torment there.

John 5:24, Jesus said
"Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me
has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life."


Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Note: Death, not eternal torment.

1 Corinthians 3:17
If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him,
for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are.

Destroy, not torture alive forever.

Galations 6:8
For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption
(phthoran), but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.

phthoran: From phtheiro; decay, i.e. Ruin (spontaneous or inflicted, literally or figuratively) -- corruption, destroy, perish. The one who sows to his own flesh reaps destruction, not eternal living torment.

2 Thessalonians 1:9
These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from
the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

Destruction, not eternal living torment. The greek word is olethron: destruction.
From a primary ollumi (to destroy; a prolonged form); ruination, i.e. Death, punishment -- destruction.


Hebrews 10:39
But we are not of those who shrink back to destruction,
but of those who have faith to the preserving of the soul.


James 1:15b
and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death.


James 4:12a
There is only one Lawgiver and Judge,
the
One who is able to save and to destroy;


2 Peter 3:7
But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved
for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.


2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient
toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.

All ungodly men will perish unless they repent.

1 John 5:12
He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.

If you are not alive you cannot be tormented! The dead know nothing.

Jude 5
Now I desire to remind you, though you know all things once for all, that the Lord, after saving a people out of the land of Egypt, subsequently destroyed those who did not believe.


Revelation 2:11b
He who overcomes will not be hurt by the second death.

The living and the dead will be judged on the last day. Those in Christ will not experience the second death. Those not in Christ will experience a second death. This second death is their destruction.

Revelation 20:14-15
Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

John interprets this for us: the lake of fire is the second death. If anyone's name is not in the book of life, he experiences the second death. This is exactly what it says, death.
 

garee

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No such thing as the living dead. Either a person wakes up to new spirit life because he had aready been given a new spirit that could never die as in no spirit life or he will not raise at all .

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth "as it was": and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

He is keeping the books. If any mans name is not found in the Lamb's book of life from before the foundation of the world they will have no way to rise .Dead is dead.... living is living... sleeping is sleeping. The saints that leave this realm under the sun are dead asleep.

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. James 2

Dead bodies without a spirit can do no work without the spirit . Not even rise up and be judged .

Raising up dead bones and pronouncing judgement on them is more of a Catholic doctrine .

The dead know nothing not even that they are dead
 

Nehemiah6

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“And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.” The words of Jesus in Matthew 10:28. Sad that you consider the words of Jesus nonsense
Not at all. Those words actually REFUTE Annihilationism. Please check out the meaning of *destroy* in the New Testament as applied to the punishment of those who are unrighteous.

Vine's Expository Dictionary of NT Words
Destroy, Destroyer, Destruction, Destructive


A — 1: ἀπόλλυμι
(Strong's #622 — Verb — apollumi — ap-ol'-loo-mee )
a strengthened form of ollumi, signifies "to destroy utterly;" in Middle Voice, "to perish." The idea is not extinction but ruin, loss, not of being, but of well-being. This is clear from its use, as, e.g., of the marring of wine skins, Luke 5:37 ; of lost sheep, i.e., lost to the shepherd, metaphorical of spiritual destitution, Luke 15:4,6 , etc.; the lost son, Luke 15:24 ; of the perishing of food, John 6:27 ; of gold, 1 Peter 1:7 . So of persons, Matthew 2:13 , "destroy;" Matthew 8:25 , "perish;" Matthew 22:7 ;27:20 ; of the loss of well-being in the case of the unsaved hereafter, Matthew 10:28 ; Luke 13:3,5 ; John 3:16 (ver. 15 in some mss.); 10:28; 17:12; Romans 2:12 ; 1 Corinthians 15:18 ; 2 Corinthians 2:15 , "are perishing;" 2 Corinthians 4:3 ; 2 Thessalonians 2:10 ; James 4:12 ; 2 Peter 3:9 . Cp. B, II, No. 1. See DIE , LOSE , MARRED ,PERISH.
 

Nehemiah6

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The dead know nothing not even that they are dead
You are simply presenting references from the Old Testament (which speaks about Sheol, where the dead remain silent).

If the dead "know nothing then Jesus would not have given us the narrative of the Rich Man and Lazarus, who were very much alive in Hades AFTER they died.
 

shrume

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Not at all. Those words actually REFUTE Annihilationism. Please check out the meaning of *destroy* in the New Testament as applied to the punishment of those who are unrighteous.

Vine's Expository Dictionary of NT Words
Destroy, Destroyer, Destruction, Destructive


A — 1: ἀπόλλυμι
(Strong's #622 — Verb — apollumi — ap-ol'-loo-mee )
a strengthened form of ollumi, signifies "to destroy utterly;" in Middle Voice, "to perish." The idea is not extinction but ruin, loss, not of being, but of well-being. This is clear from its use, as, e.g., of the marring of wine skins, Luke 5:37 ; of lost sheep, i.e., lost to the shepherd, metaphorical of spiritual destitution, Luke 15:4,6 , etc.; the lost son, Luke 15:24 ; of the perishing of food, John 6:27 ; of gold, 1 Peter 1:7 . So of persons, Matthew 2:13 , "destroy;" Matthew 8:25 , "perish;" Matthew 22:7 ;27:20 ; of the loss of well-being in the case of the unsaved hereafter, Matthew 10:28 ; Luke 13:3,5 ; John 3:16 (ver. 15 in some mss.); 10:28; 17:12; Romans 2:12 ; 1 Corinthians 15:18 ; 2 Corinthians 2:15 , "are perishing;" 2 Corinthians 4:3 ; 2 Thessalonians 2:10 ; James 4:12 ; 2 Peter 3:9 . Cp. B, II, No. 1. See DIE , LOSE , MARRED ,PERISH.
This is not proof, Nehemiah... Many Bible commentators believe that death doesn't mean death, and their commentaries reflect their belief.
 
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Magenta, this is what you posted in the other thread last night. It is stupendous work and I appreciate the work you were willing to put into this for us.
 

shrume

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You are simply presenting references from the Old Testament (which speaks about Sheol, where the dead remain silent).
Sheol is the grave. And you're right: in the grave, the dead are silent.

If the dead "know nothing then Jesus would not have given us the narrative of the Rich Man and Lazarus, who were very much alive in Hades AFTER they died.
You claim that Luke 16, the parable of Lazarus and the rich man, is literal truth. This "event" occurred before Christ died and was resurrected. In the parable, Lazarus, the rich man, and Abraham all speak. How do you reconcile that with your (correct) understanding that in sheol the dead remain silent?
 

Nehemiah6

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This is not proof, Nehemiah... Many Bible commentators believe that death doesn't mean death, and their commentaries reflect their belief.
Here is the proof from Scripture. Are you going to deny it?

REVELATION 14
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And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.


But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (Rev 21:8).

Is there eternal conscious torment in the Lake of Fire for the unrighteous? Only a person who refuses to believe the Bible will deny this.
 

shrume

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Magenta, this is what you posted in the other thread last night. It is stupendous work and I appreciate the work you were willing to put into this for us.
I do not know her that well, but it seems that when Magenta wants to make a point about something, she really puts time, thought ,and effort into it.
 

Nehemiah6

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Sheol is the grave. And you're right: in the grave, the dead are silent.
Sheol is INCORRECTLY called "the grave". It is the abode of the souls and spirits of those who died.
You claim that Luke 16, the parable of Lazarus and the rich man, is literal truth. This "event" occurred before Christ died and was resurrected. In the parable, Lazarus, the rich man, and Abraham all speak. How do you reconcile that with your (correct) understanding that in sheol the dead remain silent?
As I already said, that is an Old Testament quotation, and the OT does not present the complete picture of Sheol/Hades.

Did Christ go to Sheol/Hades for three days and three nights?
Was he silent there or was He *preaching* (proclaiming) to the spirits in prison?
Did the Rich Man remain silent in Hades, or did he actually make a pitiful request?
Did Abraham stay silent in Hades, or did he respond to the Rich Man?
 

Nehemiah6

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The lost perish and are no more. They go to their death. Hell is the grave.
I am surprised that you promote this cultic nonsense. And hell is NOT the grave. That is a misleading translation of Sheol.

Answer one simple question: If all the sinners are *no more* then why was it even necessary for Christ to die on the cross for the sins of the whole world?
 

shrume

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Here is the proof from Scripture. Are you going to deny it?

REVELATION 14
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (Rev 21:8).
The only clause of a verse that can be used to support the position that hell will be eternal torments is Rev 14:11a. "Forever and ever" is "to the ages of the ages". Some people and devils may indeed burn for a very long time, but they will eventually burn up, and be gone. Even the devil himself will be "brought to nothing", and "never shall he be any more" (Eze 28).

Is there eternal conscious torment in the Lake of Fire for the unrighteous?
No. See magenta's posts above.

Only a person who refuses to believe the Bible will deny this.
You have quite the flair for the dramatic... :)
 
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I am surprised that you promote this cultic nonsense. And hell is NOT the grave. That is a misleading translation of Sheol.

Answer one simple question: If all the sinners are *no more* then why was it even necessary for Christ to die on the cross for the sins of the whole world?
So that all of the sinners aren't "no more."
 

shrume

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Sheol is INCORRECTLY called "the grave". It is the abode of the souls and spirits of those who died.
It is "the state of being dead".

As I already said, that is an Old Testament quotation, and the OT does not present the complete picture of Sheol/Hades.
"Incomplete picture"??? The OT presentation of death directly contradicts what you believe.

Ecc 9:
5) For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
6) Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thingthat is done under the sun.
10) Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

Did Christ go to Sheol/Hades for three days and three nights?
Absolutely. Jesus Christ was DEAD for three days and three nights. Then the Father raised him from the dead.

Was he silent there or was He *preaching* (proclaiming) to the spirits in prison?
While he was dead he didn't do anything. He was dead. He proclaimed his victory over death after the Father raised him from the dead.

Did the Rich Man remain silent in Hades, or did he actually make a pitiful request?
Did Abraham stay silent in Hades, or did he respond to the Rich Man?
Parable......
 

shrume

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I am surprised that you promote this cultic nonsense. And hell is NOT the grave. That is a misleading translation of Sheol.

Answer one simple question: If all the sinners are *no more* then why was it even necessary for Christ to die on the cross for the sins of the whole world?
There are resurrections coming, Nehemiah... Without the work of Christ, nobody could be raised to everlasting life.
 

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Christians of all persuasions have generally believed the Bible doctrine of eternal Hell (the Lake of Fire).

However it is the cults who have originated and promoted the heresy of Annihilationism. Thus the heterodox groups who believe this false doctrine are the Millerites, Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Christadelphians, Armstrongites, “Bible Students” (ironic), Church of God (7th Day) Salem Conference, etc. There are also so-called evangelicals (heretical) such as Clark Pinnock, John Stott, Philip Edgcumbe Hughes, etc. who promote this doctrine. And recently, even the Church of England has gone along with this.

According to Theopedia Annihilationism is the belief that the final fate of those who are not saved is literal and final death and destruction. It runs counter to the mainstream traditional Christian understanding of hell as eternal suffering and separation from God.

As we know “annihilate” means to utterly destroy, to obliterate, to extinguish completely, to cause to cease to exist, to do away with entirely, so that nothing remains. If this were really true for the unbelieving, the ungodly, and the wicked, they would be more than happy to continue in their sins and evil deeds, since at the end of everything they would simply be vaporized. They would vanish into thin air.

However, there is no such nonsense taught in the Bible. Therefore the meaning of death and the second death had to be changed, and the meaning of “perish”, “destroy”, and “destruction” as shown in Scripture had to also be changed. But once we understand what those words mean -- as presented by Christ and the apostles -- we will see that Annihilationism is totally false. Here is what the Bible reveals:

1. Souls and spirits are imperishable, and will either have eternal life with God and Christ, or will be eternally separated from God in Hell.

2. There are two deaths in the Bible – the first death is the separation of the soul and spirit from the body, and the second death is eternal separation from God in the Lake of Fire.

3. There are also two resurrections in the Bible – the resurrection unto life and the resurrection unto damnation.

4. There is no such thing as Soul Sleep. Those who are unsaved go to Hades and are in torment. Those who are saved go directly to Christ and are in joy and bliss.

5. There is no “second chance after death”. Therefore God now commands all men everywhere to repent and to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

6. Those who are in Hades will eventually be resurrected before the Great White Throne Judgment. They will be judged according to their works, but their names will not be found in the Book of Life. Therefore they will be cast into the Lake of Fire to suffer eternal torment.

7. The Devil, the Beast (the Antichrist), and the False Prophet will all be cast into the Lake of Fire (along with the evil angels) and will be tormented day and night for ever (eternally).

8. The words “perish” and “destroy” do not mean annihilation, but do mean eternal ruin, eternal loss of well-being, and eternal indescribable torment.

9. Because Hell is real, Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and rose again for our justification according to the Scripture. John 3:16 makes the connection very plain: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, [suffer eternally in Hell] but have everlasting life.

10. God does not desire that a single soul go to Hell. That is why Christ commanded the Church to preach the Gospel to every creature, so that all men would be saved and come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Very well said, Nehemiah6! I would also add regarding the words "perish, destroy and destruction" that these word are translated from "olethros, apoleia and its adjective apollumi, which state right in the definition that these words do not imply "annihilation or extinction" as seen below.

ólethros (from ollymi/"destroy") – properly, ruination with its full, destructive results (LS). 3639 /ólethros ("ruination") however does not imply "extinction" (annihilation). Rather it emphasizes the consequent loss that goes with the complete "undoing."

apṓleia ("perdition") does not imply "annihilation" (see the meaning of the root-verb, 622 /apóllymi, "cut off") but instead "loss of well-being" rather than being.

It is amazing to me that even when providing the definition of these words, annihilationist instead take the translated words "destruction or perish" and assign the idea of annihilation or extinction to them, ignoring the definition of the words that they are being translated from.
 

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Christians of all persuasions have generally believed the Bible doctrine of eternal Hell (the Lake of Fire).

However it is the cults who have originated and promoted the heresy of Annihilationism. Thus the heterodox groups who believe this false doctrine are the Millerites, Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Christadelphians, Armstrongites, “Bible Students” (ironic), Church of God (7th Day) Salem Conference, etc. There are also so-called evangelicals (heretical) such as Clark Pinnock, John Stott, Philip Edgcumbe Hughes, etc. who promote this doctrine. And recently, even the Church of England has gone along with this.

According to Theopedia Annihilationism is the belief that the final fate of those who are not saved is literal and final death and destruction. It runs counter to the mainstream traditional Christian understanding of hell as eternal suffering and separation from God.

As we know “annihilate” means to utterly destroy, to obliterate, to extinguish completely, to cause to cease to exist, to do away with entirely, so that nothing remains. If this were really true for the unbelieving, the ungodly, and the wicked, they would be more than happy to continue in their sins and evil deeds, since at the end of everything they would simply be vaporized. They would vanish into thin air.

However, there is no such nonsense taught in the Bible. Therefore the meaning of death and the second death had to be changed, and the meaning of “perish”, “destroy”, and “destruction” as shown in Scripture had to also be changed. But once we understand what those words mean -- as presented by Christ and the apostles -- we will see that Annihilationism is totally false. Here is what the Bible reveals:

1. Souls and spirits are imperishable, and will either have eternal life with God and Christ, or will be eternally separated from God in Hell.

2. There are two deaths in the Bible – the first death is the separation of the soul and spirit from the body, and the second death is eternal separation from God in the Lake of Fire.

3. There are also two resurrections in the Bible – the resurrection unto life and the resurrection unto damnation.

4. There is no such thing as Soul Sleep. Those who are unsaved go to Hades and are in torment. Those who are saved go directly to Christ and are in joy and bliss.

5. There is no “second chance after death”. Therefore God now commands all men everywhere to repent and to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

6. Those who are in Hades will eventually be resurrected before the Great White Throne Judgment. They will be judged according to their works, but their names will not be found in the Book of Life. Therefore they will be cast into the Lake of Fire to suffer eternal torment.

7. The Devil, the Beast (the Antichrist), and the False Prophet will all be cast into the Lake of Fire (along with the evil angels) and will be tormented day and night for ever (eternally).

8. The words “perish” and “destroy” do not mean annihilation, but do mean eternal ruin, eternal loss of well-being, and eternal indescribable torment.

9. Because Hell is real, Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and rose again for our justification according to the Scripture. John 3:16 makes the connection very plain: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, [suffer eternally in Hell] but have everlasting life.

10. God does not desire that a single soul go to Hell. That is why Christ commanded the Church to preach the Gospel to every creature, so that all men would be saved and come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Are you saying that God's mercy is cultic! Utter rubbish! The bible only intimates ONCE that it is possible to be eternally tormented...and that is for those who receive the mark of the beast. Otherwise all die who are cast into the lake of fire. This is called the second death. The death of the body AND the soul.
 

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Are you saying that God's mercy is cultic! Utter rubbish! The bible only intimates ONCE that it is possible to be eternally tormented...and that is for those who receive the mark of the beast. Otherwise all die who are cast into the lake of fire. This is called the second death. The death of the body AND the soul.
No what he is saying is that annihilationism or the belief in it has cultic roots . Please don’t put words in his mouth . Nehemiah an I have our differences on scripture but I know that he dose not do as you suggest. Go back and read the man’s post .
Blessings
Bill
 

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Revelation 20:14-15
Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

John interprets this for us: the lake of fire is the second death. If anyone's name is not in the book of life, he experiences the second death. This is exactly what it says, death.
I don't mean to be that guy, that ruins the parade, but can we just take note of something? If "death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire" how does anyone whose "name was not found written in the book of life" die and become extinct, if death was already taken care of?

How does one die, when death is no more?